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Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:29 am

Ughh,

I'm sure they will have the whole world on their side when they start another riot in NYC...

Hopefully the NYPD will be able to catch, prosecute, and jail most of them.

When will they ever learn, you will never get sympathy when you are burning down someone's dreams, which are many people's restaurants and small businesses.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,44006,00.html

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Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:50 am



Hopefully I'll get more AP photos of policemen cracking those commie-libs' skulls to add to my collection. Those are my favorite.

If there is ever a meeting like that in my region (MSP, CHI, STL), I'm going to pose as a protester and go around with water bottles laced with pepper spray to pour into people's eye's to get the tear gas out! They'll have a lot of fun with that one!
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:58 am

Rioters heading to NYC? I thought the World Cup was in Korea this year???
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:22 am

"commie-libs"  Confused
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Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:12 am


KROC

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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:34 am

Oh wonderful!!!! now my city willb e as liberal as Seattle!!!! I swear if anyone of these jackasses get in my way they will feel alot of pain!

I'm pretty damn good in street fights So those Starbucks drinking bleeding heart socialist liberals had better watch it! Screw with my city and it'll cost you. I do hope that some of the guys from the Emerald Society and ESU will take care of them. Too bad Rudy ain't in power. I can't stand the geek incharge right now.
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Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:42 am

I do not think these morons will riot like usual. Do you think the NYPD will have much patience, after all that has happened here?
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:44 am

Well, since these upper-middle class protestors have time on their hands, take em to Ground Zero.....they can help clean it up.

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Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:24 am



Yep, since they are only taking 3 credit hours on their fourth useless graduate degree, they'll have plenty of time to head to NYC.

 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:19 am

Anti Globalization Rioters, couldn't have described them better myself.

I'm all for opinons and even protests, but those people appear to be in it just for the destruction they can cause.



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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:29 am

Recently in an interview in a British newspaper, one of our home grown 'anti-capitalist' organisers admitted that the terrorist attacks had shifted the limelight from this bunch.
But, he insisted, we'll be back.
He then reluctantly admitted that at a meeting on Sept. 11th in London, he announced the news of the attacks, and most of the audience cheered.
No wonder they've been keeping their heads down these past few months.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:48 pm


Of course they cheered. What was arguably the most visual beacon of capitalism in the world fell to the ground that day. I knew right away it wasn't this crowd that was responsible. They don't have the balls to carry out an attack of that nature.

What the anti-globalists don't realize, however, is that the true beacon of capitalism lies about 4000 meteres to the southwest of the WTC.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:27 pm

Geez, you´re nuts!!!
Hardly any anti-capitalist or anti-globalization protester had cheered when the wtc came down. If so they had sure gotten a change in the way their faces look now.
It´s a shame that a small number of people misuse our goal for their sick pleasure (rioting) but after all it is US (the liberals - not the rioters) who care for all of you out there.

I hope we will not see another riot anywhere but you guys should try to get a broader view on things.

Stratofish

P.S.: Do not mistake me, I have never been involved in a riot and I never will.
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:04 am

I'm pretty damn good in street fights So those Starbucks drinking bleeding heart socialist liberals had better watch it!

So we have heard like 10,000 times. I knew it was only a matter of time before we heard this yet again.

Oh wait....because I dared to question you, you are now going to challenge me to a bar fight huh?

Buddy...get over yourself already will ya!!  Insane

Hopefully I'll get more AP photos of policemen cracking those commie-libs' skulls to add to my collection. Those are my favorite.

And what are you? A capitalist scumbag who would kill his own mother if it meant a bit more in the money jar your yourself?

Spray me with pepper spray, and I would rip your balls off and ram them down your fricking throat.

Like VirginA340....get over yourself already!!  Insane

You sickos are so far up yourselves I can't believe it.

"Anti-Globalisation Rioters"?

EXCUSE ME?

That should be "Anti-Globalisation Protesters".

These people have a RIGHT to protest. Unfortunately, a VERY SMALL FRINGE GROUP tends to cause the trouble. This gives the legitimate and peaceful protesters (i.e. the majority) a bad rap also.

All large protest movements will have fringe groups which look for nothing more than violence.

Just look at the anti-abortionists. Most of them protest peacefully. But then you get some who will shoot doctors in abortion clinics, or attack those clinics.

Should all anti-abortionists be branded MURDERERS? No...not at all.

 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:56 am

I don´t know why anti capitalists are using all that violence we saw in Genua etc.
They destroy shops and cafe´s without any reason, and the beat policeman who only do their job.
I someone really is a communist, he is in the fortunate position that there are countries available where all his dreams come true.
For example he could go to north korea, there is all he wants. Comunistic Government, education, system. He should be happy there.

If someone likes to demonstrate for human rights, I would suggest to do that in Beijing or Lhasa.
That would really be great signal if someone travells from england or italy or france to Beijing, dooeing some protests there. That would show balls.
Or he could go to Theheran and demonstrate for the freedom and equalness of religion, than I would express my respect.
But going to New York City, to destroy some coffeshops and cars is a very poor revolution. It´s in fact not better than what drunk football hooligans do. (its worse, because the hooligans are filled up with beer to their excuse)
It really isn´t a big thing to demonstrate or riot in a democratic country.

The Anti-Globalization movement is a real strange movement I think.
Some years ago, before the word globalization existed, these people said that we (the western nations) should share our wealth with the underdevelloped world.
Good idea.
But what happens now is just that.
We call it "globalization". Jobs and economy is transferred to countries arround the world.
Goods for european or US economy are produced in Asia, officework for european companies is done overnight in india via the electronic "highways".
That will create wealth in those parts of the world. It has some problems, problems occur in all changes of a system. But they will get solved.

To be an anti-globalization activist means in my opinion to be greedy for that wealth that we share with poorer countries.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:05 am

Zauberflöte, I agree with you. But I think it might be quite hard to get residency rights in North Korea.

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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:40 am

Zauberfloete:
First of all anti globalization does not imply communism.
You say you do not know why some ppl are against globalization: It is very simple if you dare to take a deep look into what is called globalization. Hardly any of the poor do profit from it but instead the rich get richer and the process is undermining the elected govts. of the world.
Globalization can be a good and right thing, but not the way it is practised today.
Of course there is no excuse for rioting but the Genua example you stated is wrong. The police provoked it and was solely responsible for the escalation.
It is your right to post what you think, but please think about it at least twice before. That North Korea statement is insulting and unacceptable.

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Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:50 am

Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)? Don't you also find it odd that no one in the 3rd World is protesting against globalization? It's only idealistic Westerners who are?

Trade is the one way to increase the wellbeing of everyone in the planet. The anti-globalization zealots (such as you) have decided that your narrow views are the correct ones, overriding the democratic will of Western and 3rd World nations alike.

Why don't you fight your battle at the ballot-box? The answer is obvious.....an anti-globalization stance will never win democratically anywhere because it is so radical and unpopular. So your only option now is protestation, disruption and civil disobediance.


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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:59 am

For example he could go to north korea, there is all he wants. Comunistic Government, education, system. He should be happy there

The DPRK is far from being communist. It is a juche society. The closest the DPRK comes to anything the outside world knows about is Stalinist. Not communist. There is a HUGE difference between communism and the other -ism's. Most people refuse to recognise the differences.

Some years ago, before the word globalization existed, these people said that we (the western nations) should share our wealth with the underdevelloped world. Good idea. But what happens now is just that.

Globalisation is a monumental bloody buggery cock-up of monumental proportions! Globalisation, as the capitalist world sees it is supposed to bring jobs and economic benefits to the Third World. A prime example of Third World is Africa. All we have seen from the "capitalists" in recent years is not bringing of economic benefits to these countries, but rather the plundering of their resources, with little to no benefit to the locals. What is the point of having a McDonalds in Gaborone, when most of the people who live there can't afford it. And globalisation is not only about the bringing of wealth to third world countries, but a better standard of living for the general population.

What would you say if I told you that 5,500 people die each day in Africa EVERY day from something which is totally preventable. I am talking about AIDS. The "first world" sits idly by whilst over 2 million Africans die each year of AIDS. This is just one example of a failure of globalisation.

The "anti-globalisation" protesters are not only bringing to the attention to the world at large of abuses by companies in the third world, but also a wide range of issues.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:03 am

Aviatsiya, it's easy to use Africa as an example of globalization gone awry.

What about Taiwan and South Korea? Both countries had PCI's about the same as Nigeria 40 years ago. The US allowed liberal imports of those countries goods enalbing them to reach near-1st World status. A shining example of globalization.

Globalization works. But it won't overcome corruption as is so endemic in Africa.


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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:16 am

What a terrible group of people. How dare they bring to the limelight how, in many ways, the wealth of the west is generated by the sweat of the poor?

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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:23 am



>>>And what are you? A capitalist scumbag who would
>>>kill his own mother if it meant a bit more in the
>>>money jar your yourself?
>>>
>>>Spray me with pepper spray, and I would rip your
>>>balls off and ram them down your fricking throat.


Um, yea, sounds like someone is loosing control. Anyway, people at those protests carry water bottles to wash out the tear gas, etc. that the police spray at them because of their failure to obey police orders. I never said I'd spray people with pepper spray. I'd carry around water bottles with water laced with a stinging agent agent that would make their eyes sting even more painfully! And I'm so compassionate that I'd consult a person qualified to verify that whatever it was wouldn't cause permanent damage to their eyes.  Big grin

While I'd jump at the chance to spray someone so full of themself like you with pepper spray (or even better yet, the un-natural chemical version--Mace), that's not what I had in mind.

In response to your first comment about being a capitalist scumbag and wanting more for myself, actually I want quite the opposite. I want what the anit-globalists don't want:

I want newly industrializing countries (NICs) to have the same opportunities that the developing USA, Canada, and Australia had. I want citizens of those countries to build factories, roads, and airports. I want citizens of those countries to be able to move beyond ancient agricultural practices. I want them to produce and own many of the same goods that you and I take for granted. The anti-globalists don't. Their selfish and narrow environmental agenda doesn't allow for what I wish. They want to see those populations back in the stone age while they're living it up in the west.

I just have no respect for that.

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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:40 am

I was visiting friends in Washington DC during the infamous IMF meetings of 2000 and was witness to the wanton damage and destruction caused by a high number of these so-called "protestors", most of whom are spoiled brats, rich kids, and shiftless bozos who did not even know what they were doing there, let alone able to articulate a case for or against globalization. I find it ridiculous that they are acting supposedly in the interests of the third world yet they are there trying to take food out of the mouths of impoverished peoples in the name of economic autarky and other useless alternatives that have been shown time and time again to fail.

Thousands of people trying to get to work or use the metro were inconvienienced by these scumbags, almost all of whom were non-native to the area. So show up, wreck a few businesses, trash private property, and leave....and this is supposed to be a legitmate form of protest.  Insane

You may not like that Starbucks or McDonald's...but there are people inside trying to make a living and not have their lives threatened. A corporation is only people.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:44 am

Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)? Don't you also find it odd that no one in the 3rd World is protesting against globalization? It's only idealistic Westerners who are?

Ummm...there have been many conferences in Africa in recent years which have been attended by heads-of-state which weren't exactly full of praise for this so-called globalisation of industry and economics.

Aviatsiya, it's easy to use Africa as an example of globalization gone awry.

Of course it is easy to use Africa as an example of globalisation being a cock-up because it is the case. Countries in Africa are still having their resources plundered by first world nations; the countries will get essential goods and services in return for future earnings from natural resources. This occurs in Gabon (oil/gas), Angola (oil), Nigeria (oil), Congo (diamonds) and a host of other African nations. But the future earnings are worked out at a much lower price than what one would say is fair market value. At that rate, these countries will never be prosperous.

Your example of Taiwan and South Korea is true...yet those countries successes are due more to political (Cold War) sentiments than the "ideals" of globalisation.

Another aspect of how we can see that globalisation is not working in the third world is to look at the very way that I am writing these words. On a continent with over 800 million people, only an estimated 1.2 million people have access to the internet; with 1 million of these being in South Africa alone. That means that only 0.025% of Africans (excluding South Africa...0.15% including South Africa) has access to information.

I am with the protesters in their "suspicions" regarding globalisation, however, I don't condone the violence which some fringe groups do partake in.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:45 am

The DPRK is far from being communist. It is a juche society. The closest the DPRK comes to anything the outside world knows about is Stalinist. Not communist. There is a HUGE difference between communism and the other -ism's. Most people refuse to recognise the differences.

This kind of academic claptrap is really lost on those of us who live in the real world.  Insane

And what would those differences be? They all stifle freedom, kill their own people, and promote megalomaniac fantasies that end up with the death of more of their own people, right? What am I missing here. Enlighten me about your heros like Stalin.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:51 am

Aviatsiya: Your only solution is to take bread out of the mouths of the poor by starving these countries of foreign investment. People like you do not present alternatives, but you do engage in endless fantasies about the alleged plunder of natural resources as a sort of modern-day imperalism.

Even if we take your nonsense at face value, how does throwing rocks at the windows of a McDonald's or smashing up a bank going to do anything about it?
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:02 am

People want alternatives? OK....here's an alternative which the anti-globalisation lobby, and the third world countries themselves are BEGGING for.

How about wiping Third World debt. The rich nations CAN afford to do this. Yet they don't. WHY?

The Juche principle...here's a link for you to look at

http://www.cnet-ta.ne.jp/juche/defaulte.htm

http://www.kimsoft.com
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:07 am

Everyone here should read Thomas Friedman's excellent "The Lexus and the Olive Tree: Understanding Globalization." It's an well-thought-out, intelligent work arguing that globalization works.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:15 am

The North Korean Juche principle, Aviatsiya??? A system that has caused millions of people to starve, and imprisoned (both mentally and physically) millions more?  Nuts Why, this IS so much better than globalization!  Nuts  Nuts

With arguments like this, I'm not surprised so many anti-globalization protesters have to resort to violence.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:17 am

Whoops, sorry, Aviatsiya! I thought that you were advocating the Juche Principle there. When I reread your message, I noticed my mistake. Of course, I take my comments back. Apologies!
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:23 am

Damn commies
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:24 am

PHX-LJU

I never said the Juche Idea (also known as Kim il-Sungism) as it is practiced is good for North koreans, but if you understand the background behind the Juche Idea, in theory it has great potential for the people of North Korea. Basically, it is an expansion of Maoism, but with a Korean flavour. The Juche Idea came about because of centuries of abuse of Koreans by Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Americans and other forces. The only thing which is wrong with Juche, is that Kim il-Sung saw that his person was more important than the wellbeing of all Koreans.

It is the same as true communism. It is a good ideal, yet true communism has not yet been practiced on this planet.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:27 am

People want alternatives? OK....here's an alternative which the anti-globalisation lobby, and the third world countries themselves are BEGGING for.

Oh God....your alternative to the current system is to remake the world in Kim-Il-Sung's image?! Should we all starve to death like the people of North Korea too?

You people make me physically sick.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:33 am

Well if this is the kind of debate we are going to have with the anti-globalization crowd, then I can see we are going nowhere. To these fanatics, either we remake a system that has provided more prosperity to more people than any other the world has ever known or we can have our windows smashed in by jack-booted thugs in the name of some Communist propaganda and personality worship.

I will not even spit upon something either praising Kim Il-Sung or written by him. If Communism is such a perfect ideal why is it that it almost always ends up in massacre of innocent people, a complete lack of freedom, and general and institutionalized misery for everybody forced to live under it.

Communism is nothing but misery and repression. I fervently hate Communism.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:42 am

Well said Hoffa,
you know...every Western nation has Communist parties.....and yet none have ever been democratically elected (except Allende in Chile).

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Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:41 am

You could see here how western society turns its back on the 3rd world:


http://www.msnbc.com/news/694130.asp
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:49 am



Oh, but Microsoft is going to turn those people into tools of big evil corporate America!!!

They should stick to subsistance farming so they can be free from the evils of the western world.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:32 am

Oh God....your alternative to the current system is to remake the world in Kim-Il-Sung's image?! Should we all starve to death like the people of North Korea too?

How the hell does relieving third world debt equate to becoming a DPRK?? I am gobsmacked!
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:37 am

Relieving 3rd world debt would throw the Western world recession and inflation.

The 3rd world borrowed money and they should pay it back. No one forced their govt's to borrow cash from the West.

Excusing 3rd world debt would only encourage more borrowing as their credit ratings and national budgets would allow. Every debt forgiveness by the West has been followed by more borrowing by those countries.



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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:46 am

OK, this is great, my post spawned an email response from the user that was called "Bombstar" on this forum until he was deleted. It went:


--- Eric Hung wrote:
> Your post:
>
> Hopefully I'll get more AP photos of policemen cracking those
> commie-libs' skulls to add to my collection. Those are my favorite.
>
> If there is ever a meeting like that in my region (MSP, CHI, STL),
> I'm going to pose as a protester and go around with water bottles
> laced with pepper spray to pour into people's eye's to get the tear
> gas out! They'll have a lot of fun with that one!
>
>
> Yeah, okay, and i hope you get your fuckin ass kicked and shot at
> with rubber bullets in the process MORON! You obviously have no idea
> what the anti-globalization movement is about. The right to protest
> is a right that many countries do not have, and it is a right that
> should be taken advantage of whenever its needed, unfortunately you
> dont seem to think so, you capitalist corporate scum.
>




And here was my reply:



Sir,

If you cared to read one of my subsequent posts in the thread you would have read that I stated:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
In response to your first comment about being a capitalist scumbag and wanting more for myself, actually I want quite the opposite. I want what the anit-globalists don't want:

I want newly industrializing countries (NICs) to have the same opportunities that the developing USA, Canada, and Australia had. I want citizens of those countries to build factories, roads, and airports. I want citizens of those countries to be able to move beyond ancient agricultural practices. I want them to produce and own many of the same goods that you and I take for granted.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, I want NICs to develop in the same image as the USA, Canada, Australia, and other advanced western democracies.

The anti-globalization movement is all about preventing that from happening based on their fringe ideals and morals concearning the environment, social issues, labor issues, and economic issues. They don't want people in NICs to live the lifestyle that you and I currently enjoy. I don't think that is fair. Do you?

Many single out the issue of workers' rights, which is valid to an extent. But I believe that so called "sweatshop" labor conditions are still far superior to intensive subsistance agriculture and better controlled. People work there for a good reason. If a 5 year old girl is making NIKE shoes, we hear about it. But no one considers the thousands of 5 year olds working out in the fields. Remember that working conditions in our own two nations have had to come a long way in the past couple of centuries. Give the NICs some time, they'll come around. And the rights that they fight for and earn will be far more appreciated than if they are just given away when they aren't even demanded.

As far as being shot at with rubber bullets, well I'd have to be in the way of the police for that to happen. My ass kicked? I think I'm smart enough to avoid a situation where that would happen. Capitalist corporate scum? Not while I'm still a poor student, but maybe some day!

And about not knowing what the movement is about, sorry, I know far too much about the movement. I have completed the requirements for a degree in political science and after the current semester is finished I will be two classes shy of a degree in geography. My position is derived from my studies and I stand by it.






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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:59 am



VirginA340-

Hey, I can fly out to NYC this weekend from Iowa for $166 on Hotwire. If you could hook me up with a place to stay, I'd love to come out and "counter protest" or at the very least, defend respectable business from these idiots who want to smash them. E-mail if interested (in profile).

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Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:10 am

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>>But no one considers the thousands of 5 year olds working out in the fields.<<

That's true. And where does that food go to? To the markets in the western world of course. Why don't they protest that fact? What's the difference of selling food and shoes?
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:35 pm

"Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)?"

Very true, the govts. are in favour but hardly any of the ppl. Ever wondered why many western manufactures went to LDCs? Because the govts. often protect their inhuman way of exploiting the poor´s workforce. All the profits go back to the "west" and a smaller amount stays with the govts.


"Everyone here should read Thomas Friedman's excellent "The Lexus and the Olive Tree: Understanding Globalization." It's an well-thought-out, intelligent work arguing that globalization works."

I was waiting for this  Wink/being sarcastic
Friedman is the legitimate counterpart to Mao. I would not believe any of them. Even his version fails to provide an answer on how to allocate resources and profits equally.


"Relieving 3rd world debt would throw the Western world recession and inflation."

Believe me, it wouldn´t.

"And about not knowing what the movement is about, sorry, I know far too much about the movement. I have completed the requirements for a degree in political science and after the current semester is finished I will be two classes shy of a degree in geography. My position is derived from my studies and I stand by it."

Hard to believe remembering your posts. Especially since I have the same level of education (in geography, political science and economics).


"Trade is the one way to increase the wellbeing of everyone in the planet. The anti-globalization zealots (such as you) have decided that your narrow views are the correct ones, overriding the democratic will of Western and 3rd World nations alike."

YOU are accusing me of having narrow views?  Nuts What´s that first sentence of yours then?
"The democratic will of Western and 3rd World nations alike"
You must be kidding. No globalization related issue is on the public political agenda (which itself should be a no-go for a democracy). And although there are a few one cant hardly talk about THE democratic will of 3rd world nations. As someone else pointed out: Most of the 3rd World ppl do not have the chance to protest.



Such a dispute and none even started to bring up the enviromental issue yet... *shaking my head*

Also: being against globalization (as it is today) has NOTHING to do with communism.




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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:01 am


I'll scan in my diploma when I recieve it for ya. Just because someone's educated doesn't mean they have to think like you.

My core distaste for the anti-globalists is that they hate the western way of life (especially anarchists and anti-capitalists) and they do not want people in NIC to ever have access to it. That's pretty much what it comes down to in my analysis of the matter.


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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:26 am

Correction, MIS...they purport to "hate" the Western way of life yet enjoy a comfortable, identifiably capitalist living (probably on Daddy's dime) in some of our largest cities and towns but on the weekend go smash up a few Starbucks windows to let the rest of us know that we should live like North Korea (where millions of people have starved to death in the last few years) or some other paradise. No thanks, kids. People in North Korea would probably give their right eye to have a tenth of what we have.

Also: being against globalization (as it is today) has NOTHING to do with communism.

I don't know about that at all. You have Aviatsiya on here telling us the solution to world poverty is to live like North Korea where thousands of people starve to death every day and I'm sure he isn't the only one who thinks this way. People like you never get it: efforts to "allocate the resources equally" always end up in death, starvation, oppression, and tyranny yet we always hear the same nonsense about "Communism was never really tried, etc....

The only argument I can see in favor of the anti-globalization crowd is the protection of individual cultures. Surely the French farmers can find a way to stay in business that doesn't involve destruction of others property?
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:16 am

You don´t call yours an in-depth analysis then, right...  Yeah sure


". People like you never get it: efforts to "allocate the resources equally" always end up in death, starvation, oppression, and tyranny"
Interesting theory, although not entirely accurate... oh wait, for you trying to allocate resources equally is communism, right?

I don´t know if Aviatsiya is the only one who thinks his way or not, but he´s free to think thway he wants and I DO NOT THINK THAT WAY.

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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:25 am

Interesting theory, although not entirely accurate... oh wait, for you trying to allocate resources equally is communism, right?

Surely an economics student such as yourself knows that the first principle of economics is scarcity. Therefore any attempt to "divide the resources equally" will almost always end in failure. And when that failure is associated with an ideology such as Communism or Maoism, the inevitable result is the death of millions of people followed by and compunded by untold oppression, the taking away of freedoms, and general misery.

Better to employ the system that keeps a greater percentage of the people happy. I know that make sense for followers of Kim Il -Sung like you and Aviatsiya.
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:02 am



lol  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:36 am

"...for followers of Kim Il -Sung like you and..."
me? you sure didn´t read my posts carefully...
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RE: Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC

Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:13 am

Virginforlife

OH LOOK...I AM SHITTING MY PANTS!! Surprise, fricking, surprise. I have just been challenged to another bar fight with the bar fight king. Why is it you only fight in a bar? Is it because you are such a pussy you need to have weapons close by; i.e. chairs, stools, bottles, etc?  Insane

Virginforlife, you seem to have a lot of unresolved issues. Your answer for everything is violence. Do you torture animals in your spare time? Do you have an overbearing parent or family member?  Insane

Hoffa

I don't know about that at all. You have Aviatsiya on here telling us the solution to world poverty is to live like North Korea where thousands of people starve to death every day and I'm sure he isn't the only one who thinks this way. People like you never get it: efforts to "allocate the resources equally" always end up in death, starvation, oppression, and tyranny yet we always hear the same nonsense about "Communism was never really tried, etc....

Excuse me???? Please show me the exact statement where I say this is the solution. The only reason I even mentioned North Korea, is because OTHER people did first, mainly with their "liberal commie protester" shit. I do believe it was Mls515 who stated it first. In fact, I was a little bit surprised he said it...what with him having all the requirements for a political science degree  Insane

The first part of the solution to dealing with the 3rd world is relieving 3rd world debt....and the 1st world would be able to afford it, contrary to what others may believe.

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