Herbman
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US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:14 am

The US Government have mentined to tormenting Afghanistan terrorists for dependable informations about Alcaida. Is it a progressive way to save lives or is it like the cold war was? Were people get hurd or maby murdered.
The US statement said that they do not want to kill somebody but they want to treat the terrorists with all kinds of painfull things they can to receive the truth and bring them to justes. But it can safe lives. What is your opinion?
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:15 am

Where do I sign up. If not to dish out the torture, at least to watch.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:26 am

Right with you KROC!
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:27 am

Yeah seriously will popcorn be available or will I have to bring my own?
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:46 am

Hey, let me at em. I'll welcome em to the Americas.

Okay guys.....brace yourselves.....for the coming onslaught of liberal do-gooding anti-American claptrap that will fill shortly expand this thread!

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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:52 am

You are right Yyz717. I have much to say, but too lazy to do that  Smile . I am discussing in other thread at this time and one thread is enough for me.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:57 am

I think we should promise them that they'll be burned at the stake. If they don't follow through with all of our demands...light the fires!
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:11 am

First of all, the statements by the author on here, well, I've never seen that mentioned in any media, so I think the lunatic fringe is out in full force again.  Big grin

I think ABC should run it across from Survivor, or something-it'll be a ratings smash!!  Big thumbs up (wink)
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:18 am

yea, that means you have no informations about this circumstances? I saw it on TV. It was SPIEGEL TV the printed magazine selfe is a very quality political magazin. The best in whole Europe. You can trust them.
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:12 am

Dude, quit smoking weed........
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:18 am

"tormenting terrorists"

Is there such a thing?
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:03 pm

Tormenting or torturing?
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:45 pm

"Justice for all" Ring a bell??
"Innocent untill proven guilty" when was that principle cancelled
"Geneva convention" Replaced by "Cuban Convention"???
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:54 pm

""Geneva convention" Replaced by "Cuban Convention"???"

Didn´t Rumsfeld say exactly that?

I wonder if it helps if sick ppl (terrorists) get into reach of other sick ppl (you name em)........????????

Now which side did bomb the other one back into stoneage?
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:36 pm

Hey KRP, 3000 murdered by their comrades. Ring a bell??

And besides, if we're just tormenting them, that's all the better.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:42 am

alpha 1

Right I get your point: So you should be tormented due to the actions of Timothy Macwaithe then!

That makes sense
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:44 am

I'm with KROC.. Where do I sign up?

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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:47 am

The original post by Herbman (son lay off the dope for a minute) contained nothing factual except the usual fears of the weak-kneed Communist left that the USA will actually look out for its own interests.

We had ample opportunity to torture these scum at Kandahar airport when no one was looking. Why would we do it now when the eyes of the world are on Cuba? Really people....

Torturing the scum? Pass me the popcorn!
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:53 am

The stench of sadism on A.net is slowly becoming overwhelming ...
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:04 am

KR(A)P is back on the liberal crack. I guess after my posts thats where he spews more of his anti US comments. I think he, Brissie, ADG, Goodbye and Lephron have a connection with Berkly, CA.
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:29 am

Unlikely that the U.S. would take part in any form of "torturing", isn't it?

I wouldn't have a problem with them getting their asses kicked.

 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:39 am

The stench of sadism on A.net is slowly becoming overwhelming ...

As is the stench of naivete and lily-liveredness....  Insane
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:43 am

Guys,

Given that this is not a 'normal' war in the sense that it is a war on Terrorism, normal POW conventions do not apply.

The USA may in my opinion may use 'whatever' means available to extract information from these bloodthirsty criminals. Obviously you would start with humane ways obviously.

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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:02 am

as a historian i have to conclude that terrorists are not prisoners of war and that the geneva convention was et up to stop toruture during future global miltitary conflicts and in the first world war was seen to have been kept to to a major extent.

however, terrorists are not the same as government troops, therefore all terrorists do not have the same right, nor should they since anyone wishing to murder civilians loses their humans rights in my opinion.

the sentch of bin-laden sympthay is jumping in abound on airliners some times, i hope this thread doesnt repeat that pattern.
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:26 am

Although I sympathize with U.S. efforts to bring terrorists to justice and in the process prevent future acts from happening, we must still never forget the rule of law. There's an appropriate and an inappropriate way to do everything. Preventing terrorism by disregarding law and procedure makes you just as bad as the terrorists themselves. We are a civilized society, and therefore should never allow ourselves to stoop to the level of terrorists in our pursuit of justice.

For all practical purposes (and putting theories of definition aside), we DID start a war with the ruling government of Afghanistan, whether they be democratic or not, and we DID capture troops loyal to this same government, whether they be terrorists or simple young men fighting unwilingly in a battle they did not believe in. Let us not forget that many hundreds of Taliban fighters willingly surrended and switched sides as soon as their commanders were captured by the Northern Alliance, so it cannot be said with any certainty that these men in Cuba are all hard core criminals, intent of murdering civilians. For all we know, they just got captured by the wrong army (the Americans) who did not give a hoot as to whether they wanted to readily switch sides.

There are procedures put in place which provide for a tribunal to determine the true nature of captured soldiers. To this end, the U.S. government cannot and should not be considered an impartial jury, and therefore should not be allowed to determine the nature of these soldiers on its own merit.

Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations to our captured soldiers in the future.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:09 pm

Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations to our captured soldiers in the future.

A well thought-out post, Hepkat, but I have to disagree with that last paragraph. I firmly believe that even if we put these people up in the fanciest hotels in the United States, and treated them like kings, that their comrades back in Afghanistan would still torture, maim and/or kill our soldiers now or in the future. And further, I don't believe that because of this that we should treat them with anything bout the barest of human amenities to survive. There should be absolutely no rewarding of who and what these scumbags are.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:47 pm

Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations to our captured soldiers in the future.

Even though there has yet to be one iota of evidence from any reputable media source that the detainees in Cuba have been mistreated or deprived of any essential need, I find this statement of yours to be total wishful thinking.

I would point you to the movie "Black Hawk Down". In 1993, our soldiers dismembered corpses were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu by the very people they were supposedly trying to help. Do you think the US treatment of captured enemy soldiers was figuring into the calculations of the animals that did such a thing? What you fail to realize is that scum like Bin Laden will always find some pathetic excuse to kill innocents, even if the US was the most egalitarian and charitable society on earth (and it ain't that at the best of times).

Take a look at this article from the Washington Post (interview from Pakistani who went to fight with the Taliban):

"But the enthusiasm for the movement [Taliban] waned when the Taliban and its Pakistani supporters were defeated, he acknowledged in an interview.

"It became clear that the Americans were so ruthless, they would spare nothing" in their bombardment, he said. "The movement that was picking up in the world suddenly collapsed"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46916-2002Jan27.html

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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:31 am

(Lehpron sighs)

Somebody explain to me how these guys are terrorists at all because from what I understand they 1) were captured Taliban and/or al-Keida fighters and 2) didn't terrorize anyone yet.

Seriously, why do they derserve a title of future-tense?
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:59 am

I do not care, just remember that I like my popcorn with extra butter (it is an American thing) and a king size Kit Kat!
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:58 am

Lehpron sighs)

Somebody explain to me how these guys are terrorists at all because from what I understand they 1) were captured Taliban and/or al-Keida fighters and 2) didn't terrorize anyone yet.

Seriously, why do they derserve a title of future-tense?


Uh, Lephron, are you this dense naturally, or did you have to work at it a long time?

Seriously, you're joking, right? Al Quaeda is a terrorist organization. They train to maim, kill and intimidate people.

If an American G.I. isn't involved in any operation in this conflict, he's still a soldier, isn't he/she? Conversely, just because one of the low-lifes hasn't had the opportunity to maim and kill doesn't mean they're not terrorists. They are, and it's only incredibly naive people who can't see that.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terroris

Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:00 pm

They train to maim, kill and intimidate people.

Isn't that what armies do?
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terroris

Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:07 pm

Armies wage war in the open, Goodbye. They don't slunk and skulk around caves, or fly airplanes into civilian buildings. As usual, your naivete is showing. Better cover it up.
 
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RE: US Government Prepares For Tormenting Terrorists

Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:07 pm

Isn't that what armies do?

No, armies maintain a high standard of professionalism and engage enemy threats in defense of their homeland. The mercenary terrorists of Qaeda are not Afghans, terrorize the people of Afghanistan through rapes, summary executions, and draconian laws, and harbor international terrorists who kill innocents.

Somebody explain to me how these guys are terrorists at all because from what I understand they 1) were captured Taliban and/or al-Keida fighters and 2) didn't terrorize anyone yet.

Yeah, those Afghans were so glad to have mercenary terrorists running their country.  Insane

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