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Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:35 pm

Is it just me, or does this guy not have a clue?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020204/ts_nm/attack_military_dc_5

Just watch him in his press conferences... Count how many times, after asked a question, he just looks all around like the answer is going to fall out of the sky.

 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:37 pm

You must be kidding.

 Insane

He is the best SecDef we've had since... well since last time he was SecDef!

And so what if it 'may have killed' a few Afghans-- so is the nature of war. People get killed, even some innocents. If you have a problem with that, then you're on the wrong planet...
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:38 pm

He may not have a clue sometimes, but there are alot of people that have been in our govt that didn't have one either. I gotta admit his bluntness is great.


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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:42 pm

N400QX.. Zip it a bit.. I am in the US Military... I have been in since 93. I know what has to be done. He isnt, however, the best Secdef that we have had... get a clue. I can tell you from the inside that it was about to be a mass disaster pre Sept 11th. Punk wanted to close down more bases, cut the US Navy fleet, and cut the B1B Lancer force in half.

Then Sept 11th came around, and that idea went out the window.

Its so sad that it takes something that drastic to wake up and smell the coffee..

Dont sit there and try to preech to me...
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:45 pm

>I am in the US Military

I noticed... makes it even worse! You can't think Billy, Cohen, & friends ran the Pentagon better than the current administration, can you?

>He isnt, however, the best Secdef that we have had... get a clue

I didn't say that... I said hes the best SecDef since the last time he was SecDef (mid-80s, correct?).

>Punk wanted to close down more bases, cut the US Navy fleet, and cut the B1B Lancer force in half.

Sounds like a scaled down version of Clinton's military plan. But, really, I do agree-- I was hoping the new administration would be pro-military (unlike the last), but unfortunately they don't like the two-war plan and don't like having a big military. Pisses me off.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:57 pm

Ok... Well, He still sucks.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:01 pm

Sorry if I came across as anti-military in my first post... I'm just about as pro-military as they come.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:03 pm

And so am I.  Smile
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:08 pm

Well I guess I wouldn't see the actual inner workings and how the SecDef is really acting, but it is really refreshing to see him at his press conferences with some straight-talk and making fun of hideous questions posed by stupid and ignorant reporters.

N400QX

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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:20 pm

One time, hes going to slip.. He tries to hard not to slip and give out info that he shouldnt give out.
 
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RE: Rolex01

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:48 pm

What's up? Just wondering what do you do in the military?


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RE: Rolex01

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:56 pm

I am in the US Navy "based" at El Centro... I am in San Diego mostly and make routine trips to San Clemente Island... I am an E-5 Aerographers Mate.. (Weather).

 
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RE: Rolex01

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:59 pm

El Centro.....Isn't that the naval air station around 10 or 15 miles south of coronado? I think I've passed it a bunch of times on the way to tijuana

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Tue Feb 05, 2002 3:04 pm

El Centro.....Isn't that the naval air station around 10 or 15 miles south of coronado? I think I've passed it a bunch of times on the way to tijuana

No, that would be Imperial Beach NAS.

El Celtro is out in the desert. Thank God I fly on C12's C9's to get there.. Its a hell of a drive. BTW, I see the Blue Angles everyday I am there this time of year, Its their winter home.

I am based there but spend most of the time in San Dawg...

San Clemente is off and on again, another wonderful place.  Yeah sure

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/goats/SANCLEM/

We have rare goats there... aha





 
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RE: Navy Goats?

Tue Feb 05, 2002 3:08 pm

San Clemente.....Where the men are men and the goats are scared. Just kidding.

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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 3:17 pm

In war, accidents happen. It is a shame but it is the sad truth. If we relied less on local people for intelligence, we never would have attacked the place. There is still a lot of division in Afghanistan and lots of people who are trying to play the United States against each other.
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:43 pm

JOIN THE NAVY and get sent to a Desert.....Gotta love it Laugh out loud

Actually I wish old Cap Weinburger was still around.

Rumsfeld was Carters Sec of D. So Weinburger is between him.
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 6:29 pm

@N400Qx
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And so what if it 'may have killed' a few Afghans-- so is the nature of war. People get killed, even some innocents. If you have a problem with that, then you're on the wrong planet...
______________________________________________

What would you say if someone came to your town and kill your family. And a week later the same people come again an tell you: "Sorry, for killing your family. Now we know there were innocent. Here, take this 1000 $ and have an nice day."
Must be a real comfort.

I think, in a war of special forces such things should not happen.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 7:00 pm

Try telling young Muslims that these killings are innocent.That is where the problem lies.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 8:45 pm

Gekko,

Last time I checked, only God is perfect (and his track record is not untarnished, either). Mistakes happen. You can try to minimize the number of times they happen, but they will happen.

Charles
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:10 pm

Cfalk,

God is an unproved phenomenon. So, nobody is perfect. But this kind of Mistake happens too often in this war.

Gekkogecko
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:34 pm

How do you define "too often"?
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:42 pm

Three to four times in two month.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:45 pm

Really three or four times a month.....


I consider once too many and I know that most people I know in the US armed forces also consider once too many.

So who is the barbarian there Gekkogecko.

Those guys are trying to do everything in their power to avoid those types of accidents.
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:56 pm

There are no barbarians. Who said so? And of course once too many, but it happend oftener (oftener? Is that the right spelling?) and it is someones fault.

 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:58 pm

Oftener.....I think that spelling depend on where you are from...


Its a regional thing Laugh out loud
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:01 am



Ok. I'm from Darmstadt in Germany, so it seems to be korrect for me.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:11 am

Darmstadt....that would 'splain it.  Laugh out loud

That dialect is total different then what a Stuttgarter would use  Big thumbs up
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:17 am

Of course. Stuttgart is in Baden Würtenberg and Darmstadt is in Hessen. Technically these are two different languages. But we are off topic, we should discuss this in an own Thread.
 
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:36 am

If people are so upset about incindental innocent deaths at the hands of the US, they must be absolutely out of their freaking gourds about the other guys TARGETING civilians. But no mention. Go figure.
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RE: Rumsfeld: Raid May Have Killed 'Friendly' Afghans

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:46 am

That's easy, JetService, while on one hand these people hate our guts, they'll hold us in the other to a standard that NO ONE could ever meet-that means no bombs off target; no civilians killed; revealing all secrets, even if that gets a few GI's killed. That kind of stuff.

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