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Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:43 pm

I dont understand how anyone can be against protesting, its not illegal, its a right that not many other places are so fortunate to have. It is an important part of democracy. Seriously...whats so bad about speaking up against injustice?

I am participating in a protest outside 2 detention facilities outside YYZ in 2 weeks, where conditions have worsened after Sept. 11. This is where Immigration Canada detains anyone trying to immigrate here, and after sept 11, they've put arabs in solitary confinement, and denied detainees basic sanitation, medical needs...etc.
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RE: Protesting/Activism

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:53 pm

Though I am pro- right to assemble, I must laugh at some of the downright idiotic and short-sighted protests of some. i.e., some we have in downtown Seattle protesting big corporations, protesting police containment of riots, and people up in YYZ that are trying to make immigration detention centers resemble a Hilton more than it does a detention center!

I haven't been too active in protests, but I attend the occasional pro-rights rallies... as in Bill of Rights, and anti-UN stuff, etc etc
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RE: Protesting/Activism

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:57 pm

Um, actually, interestingly enough the detention facilities outside of YYZ are hotels, that have been stripped down by Immigration Canada, to make room for detainees, but the conditions really arent all that great. The group im with "Anti-Racist Action" spoke to a lawyer that went inside, its really terrible, and these guys havent even committed crimes, they're simply waiting for their applications to be processed. Before Sept. 11, these people were all released into the general public, and had their hearings in actual courtrooms. You know where the hearings take place now? In a small cell, painted all back, with the detainee, the lawyer, and the prosecuter (crown) appears over video-conferencing....its not a real hearing!
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RE: Protesting/Activism

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:58 pm

Tommorow is supposed to be a strike/protest by all University students in Canada (in CFS affiliated schools). However, I will absolutley not be participating, as the CFS (Canadian Federation of Students) simply refuses to realize that simply organizing a noisy protest doesn't address the issues (rising tuition fees). If you want to do something, go through the elected representatives instead (ironically) of wasting money that students pay to them on beer and meals to bribe people into protesting.
At Ryerson, maybe 2% or so of the students have participated in the past, and I don't see that increasing.

RE: Protesting/Activism

Wed Feb 06, 2002 3:27 pm

I'm all for people's right to protest, but honestly, it doesn't seem like a very productive activity. All it does is radicalize the protester's position. And we all know that radical agendas are easy to ignore, because they are, by definition, unreasonable.
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RE: Protesting/Activism

Wed Feb 06, 2002 3:37 pm

I'd have to disagree with you. I have known of several protests and demonstrations that has actually caused a change or made politicians cave in to public pressure.
For example, the protest i was referring to outside detention centers isnt the first one that's taken place. There was another one on Human Rights Day Dec 10, and on that same day of the demonstrations, one individual was released into the general public. It is not unproductive, it attracts attention, and if no one speaks up, the politicians in power will assume everyone is happy.

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