EmiratesLover
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Depression

Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:14 pm

I am a junior doctor working at a psychiatric unit,which deals mainly with people
with depression.I see depressed people all the time during the course of my work,
as well as people with personal problems, and neurotic diseases all the time.

I was wondering if any people on this forum have had problems with depression.I
mean have they ever felt depressed or have had any other psychiatric problems.
Have they had anyone in their family suffer from depression.I would like to have
some idea of how common this problem is in the general population.
 
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RE: Depression

Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:18 pm

Do a quick forum search and you can find numerous threads about it.

 
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RE: Depression

Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:20 pm

Actually, its funny that you post this, but my mother just made an emergency trip from OKC to DFW for me. She is taking me home from college because of depression. Depression sucks, and I have been extremely depressed since 9/11. Depressed and high anxiety. It has almost lead to suicidal conditions. I drink to get over the depression, but it actually makes it worse. If you want anymore info, email me at PhilG380@aol.com

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RE: Depression

Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:55 pm

Depression is quite common as far as I know.
I know a few of seriously depressed people, including some who tried to commit suicide.
I had myself a very bad time during my teenage.
 
EmiratesLover
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:15 am

Dear Ual747,
I am sorry you are depressed.

I can understand and identify with your depression as a result of the horrific events in the US.I dont know where exactly you are, but I can understand that it is worse for those who are in the area and close to New York.

September 11 was one of the worst days for me....I went through hell, and the next few days were some of the worst in my life.But I coped reasonably well with the magnitude of the tragedy, if only because I blocked myself completely out from what was going on - I did not switch on the TV, I did not touch the radio or even the internet for months.

We have all had our ways of coping with the tragedy of Sept 11 - this was my way.For others watching what was going on and following was their way.

I understand that the US will need an enormous amount of psychological support - psychotherapy, counselling, group therapy and even frank psychiatric intervention so that it can cope with the tragedy that has befallen it. The needs are undeniably great.

If you are depressed about your life or about September 11, then my advice is this -

1 ) Get as much support from you family and friends as you can.Tell them about your problem and remind them to orient their behaviour towards you in the knowledge that you suffer from depression.Remember that rationalizing what you are going through is a big help as it helps you to understand what you are facing.

2 ) Join a support group dealing with depression - particularly depression caused by September 11.I do not know if anything like this exists at all, but it would be a good idea to have Sept. 11 support groups - where people could talk about their feelings, vent their anger etc and share their experiences in the aftermath of the catastrophe.I am sure Post traumatic stress disorder is going to be seen in survivors, and group therapy is possibly one of the best forms of dealing with it.

3) Talk to survivors and the bereaved, if you can. I have found by working in psychiatry that dealing with other people's problems is a good way of forgetting your own and finding strength by being a strength to others.

4 ) Should all else fail, make sure you see a psychiatrist, or at least a counselling psychologist.
They may be able to prescribe anti-depressants.The latter can be very effective.

5 ) If possible, try to do something that will make you feel that you are part of a process that will never allow Sept. 11 to occur again.If you could, try to join a security organization - maybe a career in law enforcement can help to come to terms.


And oh yes....about anxiety.Anxiety is so much part of the overall picture of depression that sometimes I wonder why psychiatrists do not put it down as a symptoms of depression itself.If you feel a panic attack coming up at any time, try to have someone who is supportive, and who is understanding.If necessary, your GP can prescribe an anxiolytic such as valium.

One thing I am certain of, depression, irrespective of the cause can be treated and defeated.


Best Wishes
EmiratesLover
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:30 am

EmiratesLover: My situation:- 'classic' sudden onset of Social Phobia at 15. First panic attack at 18. Diagnosed with generalised anxiety disorder at 22 and depression at 27.

I love to research these disorders and the various treatments out there.

I have found that a good psychologist (cognitive-behavioural therapy involved, maybe?) is priceless.

As far an anxiety is concerned, my first line of attack would be with an SSRI rather than a benzo. Alprazolam is way too addictive and with Diazapam, one runs the risk of increasing depressive syptoms.

Ual747: all the best mate. You're not alone!!!

Cheers,
Dean
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:01 pm

I get depressed alot, ouch it damn hurts, the only thing I like about depression is when you suddenly have these 'everything is cool, ok, fun' feelings, they rule!!!

My mom was on Seroxat or something, for depression. It really sucks.

Regards

Dan
 
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RE: Depression

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I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't been depressed at some time or another. And I've certainly had my low points. To make a long story short, I got engaged to a girl, and then it all blew up in my face. I was the one who broke it off, but I felt like the world's biggest screw up. I felt like everyone hated me. It was the darkest part of my life. I'm fine now, and I think that came from finally being honest with myself and getting back into flying. And even though it was a year ago when this all happened, I'm constantly discovering new things about myself. This "being honest with yourself" stuff is pretty cool.

But hey, everyone gets down now and then.
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:04 pm

Hey,
I have OCD and it absolutely drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know of any website or help for it?
I can remember back all the way even in pre-school not wanting to mess with my socks becuase I was afraid that something would happen to my mom who put them on my feet. Now I must touch certain things before I go out the door or something will happen to her or myself. It is a horrible condition and drives you nuts.......
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:05 pm

Depressed you bet,
First I've enough medical problems for a small country
1) Neurofibromatosis (NF1)
2) had an adrenalectomy due to a pheochromocytoma hence the ihadapheo tag, this led to me being dead for a bit and had I to be "coded" to aloow me to enjoy this wonderful world the andrenalectomy now causes me many endocrine problems.

But the fun starts at work, having to see death almost daily is not fun. Not to mention having t perform CPR and work the "codes" only to have your pt die is a bit hadr to deal with at times. I mean seeing the families come ushering the to the quiet room and telling them their family member is dead is not easy (although this is normally passed on by a nurse). The toughest is seeing/working on dying children, having a young child you have been performing CPR on and having the child die is hard, I mean then what you go home and are just to do what go out and eat, go to the movies. Mostly I just spend time with the wife and hug the baby and hope I can bring myself to go to work the next day

Sorry to babble but sometimes you just have to vent. Thanks for the time Guys/\Gals

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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:37 pm

I've been pretty bad with depression lately... all a result of many things goin on in my life right now, which i won't elaborate on... but the best thing to help that I found was just talking to some close friends about how I'm feeling... It really helped me, and put everything that I'm going through into perspective. Now I am gradually getting better... and feeling better...

From what I hear, depression is a very common problem everywhere... I have heard various figures quoted, but I remember it being something like 1 in 3 people suffer from depression.


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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:59 pm

``EmiratesLover: My situation:- 'classic' sudden onset of Social Phobia at 15. First panic attack at 18. Diagnosed with generalised anxiety disorder at 22 and depression at 27.''

Do you have an idea as to WHY you suffered from social phobias ? Were you ever bullied or rejected by your peers or by people around you ? Is it possible that perhaps when you were young you had people treating you badly and that is why you did not get on with people and that is what caused you to be afraid of social situations ? I am asking because I too was afraid of meeting people specially at school because of bullying.


``Hey,
I have OCD and it absolutely drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''

Skylane, I can understand what you are talking about. We recently had an OCD patient at the unit some time back, and I thought it was terrible.I have my experience with the problem as well.When I was around 10, I used to have blasphemous ideas that used to enter my head and I just could not talk about them at all, because they were the way they were, and I felt a lot of guilt because of them.I felt as if no-one would understand if I talked about them.

What I tell people who have this problem is to try their very best not to think about whatever it is that keeps coming into their heads.That way, if they are thinking about the thing that worries them 50 percent of the time, they end up thinking about it only 10 percent of the time.I also tell them that it is NOT their fault that they are going through what they are going through, and so they should not feel bad if they get the ideas that are bothering them.



 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:18 pm

EmeratesLover: Do you have an idea as to WHY you suffered from social phobias ? Were you ever bullied or rejected by your peers or by people around you ? Is it possible that perhaps when you were young you had people treating you badly and that is why you did not get on with people and that is what caused you to be afraid of social situations ? I am asking because I too was afraid of meeting people specially at school because of bullying

The reasons are clear to me. A history of depression on my mother's side of the family including herself. A violent, abusive father. And the opportunties to socialise with others in my early years (1-7 years of age) was severely restricted. So I'm gathering my issues are 25% genetic, 75% upbringing.

Cheers,
Dean
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:31 pm

I got really bad Panic Disorder a few years back, through using Speed (Amphetamines) and Ecstasy - I gave up three years ago and was a user at a bad time in my life during my second year at university. It was absolutely horrible (the panic disorder).

However, once I learned about it, and let the attacks happen I began to see that they were simply a bodily phenomenon and that I wouldn't die or go crazy.

Since then, although I still get 'what if' anxious thoughts, I face up to my fears every time and EVERY TIME there turns out to be no problem. As time goes on the problem goes away bit by bit and then one day you realise it is there no more.

I would go so far as to say I am now a much stronger person than before, and very few things faze me, as I have been through much worse before. I did need the help of a psychologist for a few months at the beginning, and a decent 'self-help' book did the rest. Just remember, if you are feeling better and then get a relapse, you have not failed and you are not back to stage 1. Nobody is happy 100% of the time, and you should view relapses as setbacks, nothing more.

One thing I learnt through all of this is that the way you think and perceive the world is fundamental to your life. Sometimes we need to 'unlearn' the way we react to our environment.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Depression

Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:59 pm

DeanBNE - I can understand now why you have suffered from social phobias - an abusive upbringing and being socially restricted - it all makes sense.

However, I would like to point out that it does not have to be like this all the time.I had quite authoritarian parents AND bullies at school, and that way I too was very socially restricted.However, at universtity and at work I have had the chance to deal with a large number of people, and that way I got over it.I think a good way to deal with your problem is by trying to have a supportive social life that understands your problems, and orients their behaviour towards you with the knowledge of what kind of problems you have faced. The importance of being in a supportive and understanding non-judgemental environment cannot be overemphasized.Also, a job where you deal with and possibly help as many people as you can does not hurt either.
 
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Deasn

Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:14 pm

<< 'classic' sudden onset of Social Phobia at 15. First panic attack at 18. Diagnosed with generalised anxiety disorder at 22 and depression at 27. >>

&*%%$$##@!!!! That's exactly what I had !
I didn't know it was classic.
I also had a sudden social problem around 15. I never understood why at this age. I also had a panic attack at 18 triggered by a joint. And I had also problems later ... Do you know more about that syndrom ?
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:48 am

When you say ``joint'', do you mean drugs ?Sometimes illegal drugs can lead to psychiatric problems ?
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:04 am

My first panic attack was triggered by amphetamines. That's why I think that drugs are bad in both a physical and mental sense
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:23 am

I was depressed from last March till about a month ago. I didn't know what was happening to me until my supervisor said something about 2 weeks before I got fired. It got worse but now, I feel better than I did a year ago. It's a very long story (a short version can be found in this forum) but I delt with it by removing the source of my pain.
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:43 am

I am freaked out now. I was going to get ready for work, but I checked my e-mail first. My mom e-mailed me. She gave me money to take my brother (who I'm staying with) to a pizza place here in Vancouver. He said he doesn't want me to go there because he doesn't want me to die. The reason for him saying this is 4 days before our father died, they ate at that restaruant. I guess they did that every Tuesday. Since I've lived here, Kent has only gone to work and played Sim-City games on his computer. He has no friends and he doesn't even talk to me. I really do have to go to work, now, but I just wanted to vent. I know we need to get him some help, but I don't want to drag him down to a clinic. I'll end this before I start rambling.
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:50 am

Nope, half a century, and never depressed.

Set yourself some tough, but realistic goals in life, update them when needed, stay away from unneeded chemicals, don't allow yourself to go on idle, plan for a fit mixture of demanding work, hobby and sport, consume ethanol, but large quantities only for cleaning windows, give people a smile whenever you can, even if they never gave you a smile. Always strive to be the first one to exchange a smile.

Follow those quite simple rules and you will walk into your grave with a grin on your face. And BTW, the day you finally do it will be considerably postponed.

Regards, Preben Norholm

PS: I'm not talking about seriously ill persons. But 90% of all depressed people are not really ill, or they "created" the illness themselves. Tools they used:
- hunting unealistic goals in life
- drugs
- not fantasy enough to have a hobby or sport
- looking sad all day, and sooner or later people will start assuming that you are in fact sad - and they will ignore you to avoid the sadness to catch.
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:09 am

Hello,
I have just read that anti-depressant drugs help to control OCD. Prozac,Zoloft,ETC. My sister works in a pharmacy and can get a good deal on medicatiosn for me... It really annoys me. I know that the thing you must touch as soooooooooo stupid I mean how could touching something actually make or not make something happen? But if I do not touch it I feel funny and have to go back and do it. And just last night I was like ok well I am going to stop at least for an hour well I would catch my self doing it basically without even knowing.
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:06 am

This is a really great thread.

I'm not depressed, but the one person I consider to be my very best friend is depressed and I sense that he is more depressed than I believe him to be. We go to different colleges but spent last year abroad in France, so we shared A LOT of experiences together. There are definitely times when he comes across as being happy but having talked with his now ex-girlfriend (who has an equally hard time discerning his level of depression and they are still very good friends) tells me that he hasn't been truly happy for the past eight years, i.e. high school through now.

Is there anything I can try to do on my end? He's my best bud. We share a lot of stuff, but it kills me to think he's not truly happy and I feel like I should do something.
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:14 pm

Flpuck6: How close are you two? I mean like Manhattan to Newark close or London to Hong Kong close? Invite him over for a few days and talk with him. There were times I was out of control. Those were the times I packed a bag and drove two hours to stay with my best bud. I got things worked out and came back relaxed and ready for anything. Suggest some counceling at school if you sense that things aren't going well for him.
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:56 pm

``PS: I'm not talking about seriously ill persons. But 90% of all depressed people are not really ill, or they "created" the illness themselves.''

I do not agree with this at all.Many depressed people I have known are people who have no reason to be depressed at all - they are people with normal lives and normal relationships who are no different from you or me - they need support, not `blame the victim' attitudes.People with depression are just like the rest of us - depression has happen to anyone, anytime, any place irrespective of sex, age, social status, profession or personal history.
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:21 pm

Emirates: Yeah, it was haschich. A strong piece. I was not used to smoking. I had a sudden pain in the chest, I really though I was going to die by heart attack. I was screaming in the house that I didn't want to die. My friends had to call the hospital where they told me I had no heart problem (I was just 18). It was a <> Christmas night, and I was in a foreign (for me) country: Denmark.

Preben: You don't know what you're talking about. Depression is not a matter of waking up in the morning saying : "Yeah ! I'm happy and will smile all day long". NO ! You go to bed sad. You wake up sad. And you don't know why. People at school hate you or at least you think so, and you don't understand why ... You don't feel any desire for girls though you know you should. You don't feel any need to work for your studies, everything takes too much energy...
You're not speaking about depression but what we call in French "Deprime" which is just a time limited "sadness".
 
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RE: Depression

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:51 pm

Sebolino wrote: I also had a sudden social problem around 15. I never understood why at this age. I also had a panic attack at 18 triggered by a joint. And I had also problems later ... Do you know more about that syndrom ?

I'm not in medically qualified to give you some indepth answers but have a look at www.socialfear.com

Good luck to you mate  Smile


Prebennorholm: I have found that many people tend to use the term "depression" when in fact the person is feeling temporarily down or upset. However when this becomes a long-lasting state of mind, it's a different ball game.
Depression affects people in many different ways and if anything, the number of people *diagnosed* with depression is still way too low.
Many people with a depressive illness also suffer from what I call the 'double-whammee' effect. Not only do these people have to cope with and sometimes fight their illness but also have to deal with the intolerance or lack of understanding from other people.
Managing depression can be a full-time job ...
 
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RE: Depression

Thu Feb 14, 2002 9:54 pm

``Emirates: Yeah, it was haschich. A strong piece. I was not used to smoking. I had a sudden pain in the chest, I really though I was going to die by heart attack. I was screaming in the house that I didn't want to die. My friends had to call the hospital where they told me I had no heart problem (I was just 18). It was a <> Christmas night, and I was in a foreign (for me) country: Denmark. ''

Yes, this is really interesting.Many psychiatric problems
are caused by drugs.
I recently met a lady who spent most of her youth on drugs - the whole lot of them - and now she is an inmate at the psychiatric hospital and she had all kinds of problems - psychosis, neurosis, anxiety, depression and mania.It is a whole constellation of problems that can be attributed to soft and hard drugs.I think it is important to get the message across to young people around the world that drugs do not just destroy you when you are on them, many times they do not let you be the same person even when you have been off them for several years.

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