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Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:53 am

This just in:

As the IOC prepares for a press conference after the fiasco in awarding the Russians the gold medal in figure skating, when the Canadians, Jamie Sale and David Pelletier should gotten theirs, it's been announced that the IOC is going to give the Canadian pair gold medals after all.

The Russian pair will not have to forfeit their gold medals, however. Not that it's a bad thing - they were good skaters. It's the judges' fault, not the Russian pair's.
 
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:07 am

I have sympathy with the IOC. It wasn't their fault. Obviously the judges were at fault. After that, the IOC was caught between a rock and a hard place. This was probably the best solution.
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:11 am

DAMN!! You beat me to it!  Smile

I just finished watching the press conference on MSNBC. Now they are doing Q&A.

Also, the French judge was suspended for mis-conduct, and head of the ISU stated that the pairs were judged unfairly. And that the Canadian Pair will be awarded Gold.

I am extremely happy for my neighbors to the north  Smile

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:49 am

Im glad!! This was the right thing to do and they deserved it all teh way. Im also glad they awarded duplicate golds rather then stripping the russians of it, it wasnt the russians fault, but i think they got a lot of unnecessary flack. oh well, good job to the canadians!
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:50 am

Just you wait. Every time there is a close call, someone is going to cry foul.

Remember when they had instant replay referees in the NFL? They got rid of it after the constant request for review were becoming too much to deal with.

Let the judging stand as they are called.

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:58 am

I disagree Charles.
I think that this is the best solution to a messy situation. Otherwise the judges can never be held accountable for anything and the integrity of the Games is brought into question.
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 4:45 am

I disagree too. Figure skating is far more subjective than refereeing football, where at least you have a clear objective rulebook against which to make determinations. Figure skating's judging standards are far more subjective and the problems with the biased, arbitrary and vaguely corrupt system of judging has been well known for years. The only difference here is that the judging in the pairs was was so blatent that action had to be taken.

And no, I don't believe the Russians should be stripped of their gold either. As someone above said, it was not their fault. I'm glad to see the Canadians finally recognized for what I believe was a better performance.

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 5:30 am

Nice to hear from you again Ctbarnes, I haven't seen you in a while (could be becasue I don't open all threads)

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Sat Feb 16, 2002 5:58 am

YES! YES! YES!

Congratulations to Sale & Pelletier!!!!

Justice has been served. Wear your Gold proudly.
You deserved it.

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 6:12 am

Thanks Charles! I have been away for a while because studies were so crazy last fall. I have a little more time now, so hope to contribute more often.

Peace!

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 6:45 am

Charles,

FYI-Instant replay is still around in the NFL. You must have a timeout to use it, and if the call isn't changed, you loose the T/O. Watch the last 2 minutes of the New England vs. Oakland game at Foxboro. The instant replay caused NE to win...
 
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:15 am

Does anyone think this might have an effect on the way Bourne and Kraatz are judged in the ice dance? Maybe it will force the judges to smarten up and judge according to performance, mot country of origin. It could also have the reverse effect and they could finish outside the medals. It will be interesting to watch.

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:19 am

Excellent article below:

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WHEN WHINING
LEADS TO WINNING
Sat Feb 16, 4:41 AM ET
By ANDREA PEYSER

I COULDN'T skate a lutz to save my kneecaps, but I'm a world-class whiner.

So I demand an Olympic gold medal. And why not? This approach worked for the Canadian pairs figure skaters, a team that personifies the adage: If at first you don't succeed, cry, cry again.

In a dazzling performance, the Canadians yesterday beat stiff competition to win top marks in Olympic Moaning.

Until the last, mewling, foot-stamping second, the Canadians were neck-and-neck in the category with France's answer to Enron, figure-skating judge Marie-Reine Le Gougne.

To explain why she threw her vote in the pairs-skating finals to the Russian team, ruining Canada's chances for gold, Le Gougne cried that she was the victim of "manipulation." If there's one thing I can't stand more than a sniveling Canadian, it's a cowering Frenchwoman.

Quel mess, sports fans! These Olympic games are being interrupted by a little corruption. This is news?

We haven't seen such pathetic behavior at a Winter Olympics since knee-whacked ice babe Nancy Kerrigan used her fame to ridicule fellow skater Oksana Baiul for being a crybaby.

Yesterday, the International Olympic Committee caved in to pressure and awarded Canada a gold medal. Even before the announcement, Canadian Olympic Association president Mike Chambers said medal-makers assured him that Canada's silver medallion could be overlaid with gold within 24 hours!

The IOC must have thought this would calm things. But then, its members probably have never confronted 1,000 angry Russians freezing their axels off in alcohol-scarce Utah.

Awarding medals by coup solves nothing. Now, the IOC has no incentive to clean up its shabby shop when it can resolve conflicts by changing the color of a medal.

And this sets a rotten precedent.

What if fans don't like an umpire's call? Should two teams be entitled to win a World Series?

What if your kid spells a word wrong on the spelling bee? Try shouting that the spellings were culturally biased!

If the Canadians had any class, they'd refuse the gold. Ages ago, King Solomon settled a dispute over a baby by offering to split the infant in half. Then he gave the child to the parent who declined the offer.

Good thing gold medals aren't babies. If they were, Salt Lake City would be swimming in blood.
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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:32 am

Hhhmm, who wrote that? I think the Canadians deserved gold, they were robbed, the Russians were being pretty stuck up about it, when clearly the canadians were the better pair.

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RE: Canadian Pair Will Get Their Gold Medals!

Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:12 pm

In my personal opinion, I think the IOC put its foot down because the Wednesday news conference held by the International Skating Union turned into a major fiasco for the ISU. If that news conference doesn't define stonewalling, I don't know what does.

Besides, having the ISU being compared to Enron wasn't going to help the ISU's case, either.

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