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Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 3:47 pm

As Australians we have known the issues for a while now, so theres no point in me giving a long winded biased (towards a republic) intro just to fuel the fire. So let the games begin. Should Australia become a republic? Or continue to be a static nation?
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:10 pm

Republic!
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:30 pm

Mmm.. imagine if the 1999 referendum had had a different outcome ..that's all I'm saying.. Big thumbs up
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:40 pm

As a Brit, I'm quite often asked what I think about this subject by Australians, and I'm always surprised that we're asked. I mean, what has it got to do with us? It's your country, do what you like. No-one in Britain cares what you do! It isn't any of our business.

The ties between Britain and Australia are far deeper than just the issue of the Queen, its a side issue.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:58 pm

Republic

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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:02 pm

What difference will it make either way?
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:08 pm

Republic!
That goes for NZ too.... Smile
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:32 pm

Britain should move in and assert its legal rights to the territories of Australia and New Zealand.
You guys were given semi-independence now don't spoil the game by launching a revolution against your rightfull rulers!
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:41 pm

We're quite capable of arguing between ourselves without having a Dutchman come in and try and provoke us. Big grin
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:59 pm

Aus is no less an independent nation by having the Queen as Head of State. It's simply a reflection that the majority of Aussies are of British background and that many British traditions (democracy, rule of law, common law, parliament, the English language) are part of what makes Australia a strong country.

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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:16 pm

Of course Her Majesty should remain as head of state. Her Majesty reflects the common identity held by all British colonies, realms, and Commonwealth countries.

God save the Queen!
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:36 pm

It's an issue for Australians to decide on their own, but if you replaced 'Australia' with 'Canada', I'd probably vote for a republic. (But I don't see such a referendum coming soon: a recent poll suggested that we're generally indifferent on the issue, with many seeing the royals as celebrities more than anything else.)
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Feb 26, 2002 11:31 pm

The difficulty for all nations who have the Queen as Head of State is what to replace the monarchy with. Whilst it is indeed daft to have someone on the other side of the world as Head of State, it does offer great stability. Unless the HoS is to have executive function, each nation is then looking for a natural born equivalent to the Queen.

When you have elections you have argument. If the Head of State is appointed, then allegations of sleaze and favouritism can come to the fore. As a result, the view is often that the status quo works, so why bother changing it and risking upheaval to a greater or lesser degree.

The fact that many Brits think you're crackers for keeping her is neither here nor there.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:07 am

Does it really matter? (I ask in a serious tone).

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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:26 am

The question is who do you have instead of the queen, you already have a governer general who is her representive, yet hes involved in controversy at the moment.

do you have a directly elected president? if so do they then have more power than the prmie minister or is the head of state selected by a panel?

The Queen never pokes her nose in austrialian and new zealand affairs, you didnt catch her slapping helen clark for daring to sit down during the national athem, as much i would have done myself!

Austrialia is democratic and independent of britain, yet whats wrong with the queen? does she gobble up all your taxes, in the uk she pays income tax, and whats wrong with being in the commonwealth, what would you do instead?

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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:33 am

With the state the British Royalty is in, it better that Brits (not to talk of Australia etc) dump the queen for good.


All Commonwealth nations should continue with Westminster traditions though, with an elected prime minister holding the reins of power and a largely ceremonial president.

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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:08 am

Well I'm not an aussie and I have no say, but... Long Live the Republic!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:51 am

Australia is in a word a sucess.

in almost everything we do we just cant seem to go wrong. So i think that with Australia being in such a good position in almost every sense of the word it makes sense for us to choose to rid ourselves of the dead umbilical cord that ties us to the ashes of the British empire. I want to say to my future children "you can do anything you want in this country".

However at the moment there is one very important role which is reserved for whomever is lucky enough to have a father as the prince of wales or the king of England. So what will be involved. A name change for the governor general to president (this was the prefered model that came out of the republican forum in Canberra in 1999 which involved the retention of a Prime Minister). So for such small practical changes we can achieve a greater sense of national identity, it will fuel national pride and will be the light that guides us into the future.

Thank you England for all that you have done, we have grown up and are ready to face the world alone. But also thank you (sarcastically) for all that you did for us in WWII. This new era will enable us to forge a new history while remembering the battles of the past. (gets off soap box).
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:03 am

Hey Go_Canada,

I'm all for a Republic but what Helen Clark did in sitting down before the Queen and not being in the country for her arrival were just examples of outright disrespect.
These courtesies should simply be shown to ANY visiting Head of State!

Clark embarrasses us again!!!
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:12 am

I think the question is not really a straight yes or no but rather of what instead ?

Certain actions like dropping the monarchy and becoming a republic are pretty much irreversible so Aus. needs to know clearly why they want to change and what this change will achieve. You can liken it to the debate about having casinos. People oppose or support the idea for many reasons but once they are built there is almost no going back. A good reason for caution I think.

Yes having a foreigner on the other side of the world as HOS seems odd but it seems to have worked pretty well so far so why screw with it. What makes a republican form of govt. superior anyway ? Look at Fiji as an example of a solid democracy gone tits up !

Aus. politics and institutions (QLD and NSW police for eg ) can be pretty corrupt at times and would you really want to hand the ultimate say so over to that lot ?

Long considered thought not jingoistic tunb thumping is required for such an important change.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Feb 27, 2002 11:49 am

Republic of course.

Why should we have a head of state that RESIDES permanently in another nation?

Change the Governor General to el Presidente' and be don't with it.

QEII / Royal Family means nothing to most Aussies any more except as scandalous reading fodder for some bored houswifes.

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Mx5_boy ......

Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:12 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA so very very true. lol.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:17 pm

i think austrailia has enoguh scandel without the royal family of britain being mentioned.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:28 am

But didn't 25 000 people line the streets of Adelaide to catch a glimpse of Her Majesty during her recent visit? it does reflect her popularity right.

Would 25 000 people line the streets if say, the Pope came?
 
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:12 am

Well if you want to become a republic hold a referendum.


Oh, wait.
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777236ER......

Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:47 am

Well yes as you pointed out we did have a referendum......that was fixed for the monarchist ideals of the Australian Liberal party. The result of the republic referendum denied the country its ascension to adulthood and tells us that we are not up to the task of managing our own affairs. It tells the world we don't trust ourselves, which leaves me with much admiration for other nations that have taken to arms to declare their independence,and yet we have been unwilling in a free vote to break from our colonial past.


You see, we had an opportunity to honour those who have sacrificed so much in making Australia what it is today, by striding towards the future. Instead we stood on stage and allowed the world to see us unashamedly scurry for the apron strings of mother England. The Australian film industry has a habit of portraying Australians as ignorant, uneducated, unfazed simpletons. Perhaps our reluctance to let go of the Queen and embrace progression is further testament to this generalisation. Those most resistant to change - the aged, rural Australians - ensured that we were the laughing stock of the Western world.

A little bit of reading, a little bit more passion was not a lot to ask. Instead, our ignorance and apathy have ensured we remain a penal colony. With the rejection of the republic, Australians basically put a curse on themselves . One thing I find interesting is that while voters are not necessarily stupid, they are often uninformed, which can make them apathetic .the outcome of the deliberative poll, in which participants changed their minds after having the issue explained to them, adds to my suspicion. With its attacks on the trustworthiness of parliament, the no case during the republic referendum (sponsored from within the Government) was the greatest single public assault on the worth of its parliamentary system Australia has known. We have been wronged, the country has been wronged so it is time for us to take action and force Howard to have another referendum on the republic with the preferred republic model on it.

The majority of Australians do not want the Queen as the head of state, and isnt the governments role to act on the wider communities beliefs? yes. So going by that the Howard Government could be classified as deaf to the opinion of Australian Society. Now if thats not a government gone wrong i dont know what is.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:05 pm

Intersetingly a majority of Canadians support the status quo, despite what John Manley may have you believe. It is an important distinction that we have that differentiates us from our neighbours to the south. I'm guessing that Aussies feel similarly although they don't have the same kind of proximity  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:52 pm

Canada is indeed an interesting case. I also wonder whether it has anything to do with the lack of friction in the relationship between British and Canadian people, in comparison to British and Australian. To put this into context, I get the impression that the British really couldn't give a monkey's if Australia becomes a republic, yet would be saddened if Canada decided the same thing.

It is very curious indeed. An Australian can easily meet a hostile reaction from a Brit (and I'm sure this is to do with Australia's sporting prowess), but a Canadian will likely hear nothing nothing but praise and even adoration for Canada and Canadians. That relationship is bound to have an impact on Canadian attitudes.
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RE: Australia Should Become A Republic

Wed Mar 13, 2002 10:27 pm

Here in Canada, there isn't really any momentum in any direction on the issue. Gallup has done polls on whether or not to keep or drop the monarchy, and has usually found a split more or less down the middle. But if you do a deeper examination of public attitudes, it's a subject that most Canadians tend to have no strong feelings about either way.

There's also a widespread wariness about constitution reforms, following the dramatic collapse of the Meech Lake Accord in June, 1990 -- a set of constitutional reforms designed to placate some of Quebec's concerns, which fell apart after the legislatures of Manitoba, New Brunswick and Newfoundland withdrew their consent. Since then, 'constitutional reform' has become a dirty phrase, particularly since Meech demonstrated the difficulty of making major changes: such changes require the endorsement of the federal parliament and all 10 provincial legislatures unanimously. Even Senate reform has been stalled as a result, in spite of the upper chamber being held in almost universal contempt.
 
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QANTASforever

Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:52 am

Don't be too hard on your very competant film industry, in the past year I've enjoyed 'The Dish' and 'Chopper'.

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