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If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:30 am

Do you people think that if Al Gore won US Presidential election in 2000, will the terrorist still launching terrorist attack against the US?

I think no, because Gore was following Clinton's route about the policy to the Middle East. Gore is more "neutral" guy rather than "tough" Bush.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:34 am

Are you for real? It would not have mattered who was president. 9-11 was going to happen no matter what. Give me a break.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:47 am

Personally, I don't think Al Gore has the capability to halt the hands of time, despite his efforts following the 2000 election.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:55 am

Didn't you guys see that report from CNN? Apparantly, 9/11 was being planned from way back in '96. The Phillipino government arrested Islamic radicals in that year and discovered written plans to fly aircraft into American skyscrapers. This evidence was turned over to the FBI but they never acted on it. I suspect that you all in the U.S. probably didn't see too much of this report, and I suspect it has to do with the FBI's embarassment. But the fact is, we had ample warning both from Bin Laden and the Phillipines that something major was going to happen but no one paid attention. Whether Gore or Bush, at the rate our intelligence was heading, it would have happened anyway.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:56 am

Don't forget, they were planning the attack when Clinton was in office.
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 10:58 am

>>I suspect that you all in the U.S. probably didn't see too much of this report<<

What do you mean by this?

Sometimes you imply that the American people act like puppies, blindly following the owner with a leash around its neck.
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:12 am

That attack was probably years in planning, I doubt if fanatics really care about who is leading 'The Great Satan' at any one time.
However, I think that the US response, initially at least against the Taleban/Al-Queda, would have beem similar.
None of Bush's homespun retoric though.
Before all the right-wing Zealots flame me, Gore would have taken military advice from pretty much the same people as Bush, (the Joint Chiefs of Staff), Powell may have even still been in the goverment.
Even AF1's movements of 11th Sept may have been similar, if Gore too was far from Washington at the time.
Your airwaves over there would be filled with the nutcases like Limbaugh calling Gore a coward for flying around from bunker to bunker that terrible, uncertain day.
Want to guess who on here would have joined in?
After the Taleban and Al-Queda were routed, things under a Gore administration might start to differ from how things seem to be going now, but who can say? Such an unpredented event after all.
This is just the view of an outsider with only a limited knowledge of US politics, and while no fan of Bush, he is your President so I'm trying to be impartial here!
At the end of the day, the same servicemen would have to risk their lives doing their duty, and before you shout 'Gore was a pinko', remember the Reagan goverment's less than impressive record against terrorism, although the US was not directly attacked then.
Maybe Gore would have not coped too well, maybe Bush has because of the team around him.
This administration's memoirs will make interesting reading for sure.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:13 am

"If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?"

If Gore was the president would 9/11 have happend?
Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, Staten, Uptown, what now? Lets make it happen.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:26 am

>>Sometimes you imply that the American people act like puppies, blindly following the owner with a leash around its neck.<<

But it's true. We do act like that because we're a gullible lot. As long as it doesn't interfere with us making our millions (the rich), or as long as it doesn't interfere with our ability to survive from paycheck to paycheck (the working poor) we usually still don't care enough about world affairs to actually scrutinize the bs we're being fed. We often have very short memories and despite the many scandals we've endured over the past decades we still do not actively question the information we receive today.

Sometimes I wonder if our own propaganda machine is as bad as China's or Cuba's.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:28 am

I'm forced to agree with GDB...to a point.

A President Gore would have reacted much the same way in the initial hours following the attack....BUT...our response may have been placed on a political timetable rather than a military one....& that would have been bad.

Democratic Presidents since Kennedy have historically 'overcompensated' in military response, in an effort to make up for a perceived reluctance in "getting tough". Kennedy went against his better judgement and sent 'advisors' to South Vietnam so as not to be labelled 'soft' on communisim. Carter approved the fiasco in the Iranian desert because an election was forthcoming and polls showed the electorate was tiring of trying to negotiate for our hostages. Clinton went apeshit with cruise missiles after every slight, a hugely visible and amazingly ineffective response.

Because of this tender subject among Dems, a President Gore may have pushed the military to action before they had assets in place....and I agree with GDB completely on the subject of the right wing smear machine. The unity that President Bush enjoyed following 9/11...with even liberal columnists in the main establishment papers praising his leadership...would have been nonexistent if Gore was in the White House. The vast conservative media empire would have launched into a collective and damaging "we told you so" within hours of the last girder falling.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:30 am


Guys Please!!!! The attack was to occident, not just to the states! It was chosen to attack them, I guess, because they're the best exponent of occident. But terrorists didn't care if the president was bush, gore, clinton, or my momma. The attack was already planed. And it wasn't only because of Clinton's policy of the middle east!!!
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:39 am

Absolutely. Without a doubt. This wasn't some plan thrown together in a matter of a few months. I'd wager they were working on the plan while Clinton was still in office. They don't care if a Bush or a Gore or a Clinton or whomever is in the White House. These scum hate ALL Americans; they hate what we stand for; it would have happened exactly the way it did.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:40 am

And Hepkat, for God's sake, stop thinking all us Americans are idiots. I get tired of that schidt from you. I know you're better than the rest of us, but do you have to proclaim it ALL THE TIME???

God, you're so arrogant!!
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:54 am

I thought Hepkat WAS American? Just living in Austria. Whatever.

ANYWAY, I see Gore as crying publicly over 911 (if he was Pres) and apologizing to the Taliban, not rooting them out. I'm being sarcastic but I just don't see Gore as having ANY balls.

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Sun Mar 03, 2002 11:59 am

Yyz717, I didn't think George W. had gonads, either, but he's surprised me with his decisiveness in this conflict. I think such an earth-shattering event can focus a man, and bring out resolve in a man in ways the he-and we-cannot see before such a cataclysmic event happens. I imagine Gore would have acquitted himself quite well, just as President Bush has.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 12:09 pm

Yes, Alpha 1, perhaps you're right. Shades of grey.

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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:07 pm

Had Gore been elected, things would be exacly the same, except half the administration wouldn't be tied into Enron.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:13 pm

We also wouldn't have Condoleezza Rice, the NSA. That woman is an amazingly intelligent, competent cabinet member. Not too hard on the eyes either.


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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:13 pm

Gore would of Bombed the hell outta them to.

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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:20 pm

Gore? No...he would have cried.
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:21 pm

I can't even believe the question was posed... of COURSE the attack would have happened. It isn't like Al Qaeda members are also card-carrying DNC members (hmm... jk).

If anything would have gone differently had Gore been elected, I would think it would be the war.... or lack thereof under Gore. We probably would have hit a $10 tent and a camel in the butt.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:24 pm

It would have happend 7 times over.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:31 pm

Zach, you're letting your intensse dislike of anything Democratic color your response, as usual.

I expected Bush to go in guns blazing on the night of Sept 11th, but he didn't-he held his fire and his response longer than I would have expected any Republican to do. I think you would have found that Gore or anyone else, for that matter, to have prosecuted the conflict just as vigorously as Bush has. You have to separate your "business as usual" views about any president set against such a monumental event as 9-11.

Gore would have been hunting these scumbags just the same as Bush has. Although I wonder how much support the GOP would have given him. I won't go any further with that thought than I did, because we won't ever know, will we?
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:37 pm

I agree Alpha 1, Bush has been remarkedly restrained since Sept 11.
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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:49 pm

ANYWAY, I see Gore as crying publicly over 911 (if he was Pres) and apologizing to the Taliban, not rooting them out. I'm being sarcastic but I just don't see Gore as having ANY balls.

He would have had no choice but to respond with military force. If he didn't, and instead said that we should negotiate, the American people would never have allowed him to continue. One of two things would have happened if Gore had wimped out:
Scenario A - Congress holds an emergency session, and within the space of a few hours the House votes to impeach and the Senate votes to convict. They'd probably get rid of Lieberman too, and the new President Dennis Hastert would have proceeded immediately with war plans similar to what Bush did in real life.
Scenario B - a military coup overthrows Gore, and whomever the new leader is hits Afghanistan much, much harder than Bush ever imagined. As the joke goes, the weather forecast for Kandahar would have been very bright, temperature 5,000 degrees. After the dust settles (literally), some means would have been set up to restore civilian power, probably to Hastert.


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Sun Mar 03, 2002 1:53 pm

PROSA, your second scenario is preposterous! A military coup would happen with the same likelyhood as bin Laden receiving the Nobel Peace Prize-it will NEVER happen.

The U.S. military has been the servant (and I say that with respect) of the civilian authority for over 200 years, and it's unthinkable that such a scenario would EVER play out in this country. The only scenario would be that Congress would impeach any president that failed to "preserve, protect and defend" the United States. Nothing else would even be fathaomable.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 1:07 am

Prosa, just to clarify, your first scenario is preposterous too.

 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 1:19 am

PROSA, to clarify further, impeachment wouldn't happen within a few hours-impeachment WOULD happen, but there's a set way that impeachments are carried out, and it doesn't take place in a few hours. And why do they get rid of Lieberman, a memeber of the Senate? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Read up a little on the U.S. government, and you might learn how preposterous your scenario's are.  Smile
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 1:47 am

Guys. Notice that there's a difference between planning something and acting something out. Someone can plan to do something but not act it out until the drop that "overfloods" (in lack of a better word) the glass is dropped. Just my $0.02.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 2:05 am

The rat bastards who attacked us on 9/11 would have done so regardless of who was president. We're all infidels to those warped assholes.

The difference, I suspect, is how the USA would have responded. If Gore was president, he'd still be looking for a way to respond that wouldn't hurt the environment or kill endangered species. He'd also go on a "listening tour" of the mideast and try to empathize with their anti-US positions.

I'm glad I voted for Bush.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 2:21 am

Psa188, I think you'd be sadly mistaken. Again, you're acting as you would have before 9-11, and putting in pathethic stereotypes. In fairness, had Gore been in the the White House on 9-11, and the question been asked about Bush, I imagine many of us who didn't vote for Bush would be putting forth similar, pathetic stereotypes that would have been way out of line.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 3:19 am

Sure, it would have happend anyway. Like Hepkat said the plans started as early as 1996!
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 5:06 am

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. When our embassies were attacked on Clinton's watch, Gore's boss responded by firing a couple of missles at Afganistan, declared victory and went back to blow jobs. Gore wounldn't have done any better than his old boss.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 5:07 am

Some say, that the attack was planned from as early AS 1994!

And this whol thread is a piece of s***!!!

Instead of thinking what would have happened if... and all that bulls***, start thinking on how can we change this, for it not happening again in the future.

I have heard so many "what would have happened if...", that I'm very tired!

"What would have happened if Hitler conquered every spot in Europe?"

THE THING HAS HAPPENED, AND I SUPPOSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHY, AND KNOW THAT IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, WITH WHOEVER WAS PPRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

STOP SPECULATING..... PLEASE!
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 5:45 am

Psa188, you're talking about his boss, for crying out loud. Get over your petty little hatreds. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT GORE WOULD HAVE DONE!! Don't tell me you do, because you don't have a crystal ball. If you're that smart and that clarvoyant, go to Vega$ and play some craps or something! But you aren't that smart or clarvoyant-none of us are, and for you to flat out say I'm wrong, well, you're wrong!!
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 5:47 am

Jj, speculating is human nature. We always are asking "what if", so if it bothers you that much-and it obviously does-just don't reply. Simple, isn't it? Sheesh.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 6:09 am

I really don't understand people who think it's better to let a discussion board stand empty instead of it being used (that includes speculating). It's better the forums are being used, cuz that's what they'r for.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 7:52 am

PROSA, to clarify further, impeachment wouldn't happen within a few hours-impeachment WOULD happen, but there's a set way that impeachments are carried out, and it doesn't take place in a few hours. And why do they get rid of Lieberman, a memeber of the Senate? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Read up a little on the U.S. government, and you might learn how preposterous your scenario's are.


I stand by what I've said. There was such outrage in America immediately after September 11th that Gore simply would not have been allowed to continue in office if he had immediately disavowed military action. He'd have been gone within days, one way or another. By the way, I mentioned Lieberman because he would have been Vice President, and no longer in the Senate, if Gore had been elected.  
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 9:28 am

PROSA, you can stand by what you say all you want-there is a set formality on any of this stuff, and it wouldn't happen "in a few days", no matter how outraged the country is. The Congress won't throw out it's protocol just because people are pissed.

And Lieberman wouldn't have been tossed-on what charge? LOL-he's only the VP. He would have succeeded Gore in what is, to begin with, a far-fetched scenario as you presented, because I don't think Gore would have been inactive. I sense you're looking for a scenario to sneak a Republican into the White House-trying to steal away another election lost, perhaps, eh?  Big thumbs up

Either way 1. Gore wouldn't have followed such a course of inaction, I'm convinced-not with such a catastrophic attack, the opinions of the far-right on here notwithstanding and 2. Your scenarios that were put forth are, still, ludicrous in the extreme.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 2:00 pm

Gentle People, whether Gore, Bush, Lieberman or whoever, the reaction to 9.11 would have been the same. Bush took the course of action he did because it was the only option left to him amidst the deafening public outcry for retaliation. Let's not also forget that both sides of the political sphere were in complete agreement with Bush's decision, so even if Gore were elected President, he would have received similar counsel from his cabinet and would have garnered similar support from the House. I think we're looking for a discrepancy which does not exist.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 2:07 pm

For once, I have to say that Hepkat hit the nail right on the head. Well said, Hepkat.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 11:27 pm

PROSA, you can stand by what you say all you want-there is a set formality on any of this stuff, and it wouldn't happen "in a few days", no matter how outraged the country is. The Congress won't throw out it's protocol just because people are pissed.
And Lieberman wouldn't have been tossed-on what charge? LOL-he's only the VP. He would have succeeded Gore in what is, to begin with, a far-fetched scenario as you presented, because I don't think Gore would have been inactive. I sense you're looking for a scenario to sneak a Republican into
the White House-trying to steal away another election lost, perhaps, eh?
Either way 1. Gore wouldn't have followed such a course of inaction, I'm convinced-not with such a catastrophic attack, the opinions of the far-right on here notwithstanding and 2. Your scenarios that were put forth are, still, ludicrous in the extreme.


Your comment about a "catastrophic attack" is what really counts. September 11th changed everything. Things like Congressional protocol and even the rule of constitutional law would have gone right out the window if Gore had wimped out and refused to commit to military action. We're not talking about an "ordinary" political crisis, in which everyone agrees that the usual procedures still apply regardless of their other disagreements, but rather a complete paradigm shift, to use a somewhat trite expression, which divided everyone's life into before-and-after phases. Nothing remotely comparable has ever happened in the lives of any living Americans. Under the circumstances, there had to be a military response, the people would settle for nothing less, and any President who defied this overwhelming public demand would pay with his job.
By the way, lest there be any misunderstanding, I do not believe that Gore would have ruled out military force. If anything, he would have responded even more strongly than Bush did, as he would have had more to prove (that Democrats aren't sissies). My impeachment speculation is entirely hypothetical.
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 11:34 pm

Hepkat is pretty much correct. Action such as was made would have occured even if Pee-Wee were president. However the endgame in Afghanistan, and the future efforts in the still-young "War on Terrorism" would be very different. Gore probably would have ended up going the route that would have pleased the Europeans more. Bush is more unilateralist. But I feel that unilateralism sometimes has its place, and I will not fault Bush for that approach.

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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Mon Mar 04, 2002 11:35 pm

Prosa, HOW do you imagine a President Gore 'disavowing' military action? In some whiny, Rodney King-ish "Can't we all just get along" plead?

If you for one second believe that's what would have happened, you're letting your hatred of an idealogy or party cloud reason.

George Bush never "avowed" or "disavowed" anything after 9/11. He just said we were going to get the bastards, in so many words. There's precisely ZERO evidence that Gore would have done anything different. I seem to recall some conservatives on this board screaming that Bush was taking too long to react. Obviously the patience paif off.

If you must break things down to right or left, you might remember that the Twin Towers fell in the very heart of the liberal realm, and that, if voting trends are any indication, most of those who died in them were Democrat.

Would Al Gore have deffered justice? I think not.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Tue Mar 05, 2002 12:08 am

Prosa, HOW do you imagine a President Gore 'disavowing' military action? In some whiny, Rodney King-ish "Can't we all just get along" plead?
If you for one second believe that's what would have happened, you're letting your hatred of an idealogy or party cloud reason.


As I mentioned in an earlier posting, I do not believe that Gore would have disavowed military action, not for a minute. If anything, he would have hit back harder than Bush did. My comments were strictly of the "what-if" type.

If you must break things down to right or left, you might remember that the Twin Towers fell in the very heart of the liberal realm, and that, if voting trends are any indication, most of those who died in them were Democrat.

That's an interesting observation regarding the dead people. I'm not quite sure I'd agree, however, as a significant percentage of the dead were firefighters or in the financial-services industry, both of which tend to be Republican-dominated.
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 6:36 am

Alpha1 flames me, saying I don't have a crystal ball and can't predict what Gore would/wouldn't do, then he does exactly the same thing when he writes: "1. Gore wouldn't have followed such a course of inaction"

So, right back at ya, alpha: How do you know? You don't, so don't take issue with those of us who disagree with your rosy view of Gore.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Tue Mar 05, 2002 11:31 am

Psa188, there's a difference between what you said and what I said: you said he'd wimp out because he was VP for Clinton. You throw all those tired old right-wing flames at Clinton/Gore to make your statement-things people are tired of hearing about, unless they're in the far-right of politics around here. I make an educated guess of what would have happened based on the severity of the attacks on the US, and his responsibility to preserve, protect and defend this country. There's a difference inferring based on fact, instead of old GOP stereotypes as you throw around.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Wed Mar 06, 2002 12:00 pm

Like it or not, we were both inferring. It's too bad that you can't realize in your blind attempt to defend Gore.
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Wed Mar 06, 2002 12:05 pm

ROTFL, I'm not attempting to defend anyone!! I'm making an educated deduction. You, on the other hand, are just throwing one-liners from the GOP Platform!!
 
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RE: If Gore Was The President, Will 911 Still Happens?

Thu Mar 07, 2002 2:13 am

Yeah.. It would've still happened.. And Al Gore would've gone and hugged a tree afterwards..

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