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A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:23 am




Seems like there's another round of "Hate America" posts flaming up, so I thought it'd be nice to inject a dose of good ol' American common sense from one of my favorite columnists.

How respected is this guy? He's the guy the Saudis actually went to to float their peace proposal. Obviously his opinion has merit even in the Arab world...

Check it out:

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The Core of Muslim Rage

by Thomas Friedman
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com
March 6th, 2002

The latest death toll in the Indian violence between Hindus and Muslims is 544 people, many of them Muslims. Why is it that when Hindus kill hundreds of Muslims it elicits an emotionally muted headline in the Arab media, but when Israel kills a dozen Muslims, in a war in which Muslims are also killing Jews, it inflames the entire Muslim world?

I raise this point not to make some idiot press critique or engage in cheap Arab-bashing. This is a serious issue. In recent weeks, whenever Arab Muslims told me of their pain at seeing Palestinians brutalized by Israelis on their TV screens every night, I asked back: Why are you so pained about Israelis brutalizing Palestinians, but don't say a word about the brutality with which Saddam Hussein has snuffed out two generations of Iraqis using murder, fear and poison gas? I got no good answers.

Because the real answer is rooted in something very deep. It has to do with the contrast between Islam's self-perception as the most ideal and complete expression of the three great monotheistic religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam — and the conditions of poverty, repression and underdevelopment in which most Muslims live today.

As a U.S. diplomat in the Middle East said to me, Israel — not Iraq, not India — is "a constant reminder to Muslims of their own powerlessness." How could a tiny Jewish state amass so much military and economic power if the Islamic way of life — not Christianity or Judaism — is God's most ideal religious path?

When Hindus kill Muslims it's not a story, because there are a billion Hindus and they aren't part of the Muslim narrative. When Saddam murders his own people it's not a story, because it's in the Arab-Muslim family. But when a small band of Israeli Jews kills Muslims it sparks rage — a rage that must come from Muslims having to confront the gap between their self-perception as Muslims and the reality of the Muslim world.

I have long believed that it is this poverty of dignity, not a poverty of money, that is behind a lot of Muslim rage today and the reason this rage is sharpest among educated, but frustrated, Muslim youth. It is they who perpetrated 9/11 and who slit the throat of the Wall Street Journal reporter Danny Pearl — after reportedly forcing him to declare on film, "I am a Jew and my mother is a Jew."

This is not to say that U.S. policy is blameless. We do bad things sometimes. But why is it that only Muslims react to our bad policies with suicidal terrorism, not Mexicans or Chinese? Is it because Arab-Muslim conspiracy theories state that Jews could not be so strong on their own — therefore the only reason Israel could be strong, and Muslims weak, is because the U.S. created and supports Israel?

The Muslim world needs to take an honest look at this rage. Look what it has done to Palestinian society — where the flower of Palestinian youth now celebrate suicide against Jews as a source of dignity. That is so bad. Yes, there is an Israeli occupation, and that occupation has been hugely distorting of Palestinian life. But the fact is this: If Palestinians had said, "We are going to oppose the Israeli occupation, with nonviolent resistance, as if we had no other options, and we are going to build a Palestinian society, schools and economy, as if we had no occupation" — they would have had a quality state a long time ago. Instead they have let the occupation define their whole movement and become Yasir Arafat's excuse for not building jobs and democracy.

Only Muslims can heal their own rage. But the West, and particularly the Jewish world, should help. Because this rage poses an existential threat to Israel. Three broad trends are now converging: (1) The worst killing ever between Israelis and Palestinians; (2) a baby boom in the Arab-Muslim world, where about half the population is under 20; (3) an explosion of Arab satellite TV and Internet, which are taking the horrific images from the intifada and beaming them directly to the new Arab- Muslim generation. If 100 million Arab-Muslims are brought up with these images, Israel won't survive.

Some of this hatred will remain no matter what Israel does. But to think that Israel's exiting the occupied territories — and abandoning its insane settlement land grab there — wouldn't reduce this problem is absurd.

Israel cannot do it alone. But it has to do all it can to get this show off the air. It would take away an important card from the worst Muslim anti- Semites and it would help strengthen those Muslims, and there are many of them, who know that the suicidal rage of their fanatics is dragging down their whole civilization.
 
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:30 am

Seems like there's another round of "Hate America" posts flaming up...started by an anti-European post.

Just to set the record straight.
 
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:32 am

You mean another round of "Hate Europe" going round?
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eal401
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:33 am

I'm not having a go at this post BTW!
 
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:52 am

Some of this hatred will remain no matter what Israel does. But to think that Israel's exiting the occupied territories — and abandoning its insane settlement land grab there — wouldn't reduce this problem is absurd.

Amen! I've been saying that for years. It won't matter if Israel pulled out of all the territories RIGHT NOW. They would still be beset with these thugs who do such dishonor to the Palestinian people.
 
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 3:15 am

But it would still make things a little bit (perhaps even a lot) better, Alpha. That's the point. Just becasue it won't be the final solution does that mean it shouldn't be done at all?

Charles
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Alpha 1

Thu Mar 07, 2002 4:45 am

Thomas Friedman: Some of this hatred will remain no matter what Israel does. But to think that Israel's exiting the occupied territories — and abandoning its insane settlement land grab there — wouldn't reduce this problem is absurd.

Alpha 1: Amen! I've been saying that for years. It won't matter if Israel pulled out of all the territories RIGHT NOW.

No. Please read that quote again. What he´s saying is exactly the opposite of what you read into it. He says that he indeed expects a substantial improvement if Israel gives back that land.

I´m beginning to understand more and more how some of your opinions have come about...
 
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RE: A Dose Of Common Sense

Thu Mar 07, 2002 6:23 am

You have a point Arabs are too into themsleves and to an extent do consider others inferior be they Muslims.
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