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Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:00 am

Gore won't even make it to the general election. John Kerrey is going to wax him in the primaries. Unless Gore moves to New Hampshire, but the Dems are above carpetbagging right?

From TIME:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,218284,00.html
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:30 am

Talk about flogging a dead horse. You lost, albert...get on with your life. As to tipper running, I think that would be hilarious. Then all of her history of mental illness and institutionalization would be played in the press and keep me in stitches for hours. Of course, tom brokaw and the facists at NBC won't cover it, but it will come out. Oh God, I am giddy with anticipation. come on tipper....run... we could all use a good laugh. (what a couple of loons...)
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:52 am

Whats next? Mondale asking for a recount from the 84 election?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:03 am

What amazes me is that the Democrats are apparently planning on nominating a big name politician. I sure wouldn't want to take on George W. and his 75% approval rating.

Democrats can slam Bush all they want for being too cowboy-ish and hawkish, but unlike Slick Willie Clinton, when George W. says he's going to do something, he does it.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:26 am

It looks like John Kerry will be the Dems front runner in '04.

I remember when Dole took on Clinton in '96, you could see in the debates that Dole had a look of "better cancell the DC ballroom reservations, I'm not even close".
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:58 am

DeltaSFO wrote:

>>What amazes me is that the Democrats are apparently planning on nominating a big name politician. I sure wouldn't want to take on George W. and his 75% approval rating.

Don't forget that his father also had a record approval rating during the Gulf War, yet lost to Clinton the very next year. I think that John Kerry could easily defeat Bush.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:01 am

...After all, Bush in in the White House not because he was a good candidate, but because his opponent was just as weak.
 
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DeltaSFO

Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:21 am

DeltaSFO: Democrats can slam Bush all they want for being too cowboy-ish and hawkish, but unlike Slick Willie Clinton, when George W. says he's going to do something, he does it.

Right. Like promoting free trade, for instance. (Did anybody just say "Read my lips..."? Wink/being sarcastic)
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:50 am

I wanna hear more about the LOCK BOX!!! Big grin LOL

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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:47 am

how about a socialist president?
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:55 am


ILOVEA340



"how about a socialist president?"

We had one, but he had "intern-al" problems
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:00 am

I am convinced that Tipper's weekend flirtation with a Senate race was a bald publicity stunt to get her square shaped, bearded husband back in the headlines.

The Gores are buying a home in a rich Republican suburb os Nashville so as to allow Al to run as a "Washington outsider" in 2004.

Memo to Al: You have already run for president THREE TIMES, and failed. Give it up, you idiot.

(Can you imagine the lineup of fools the Dems will foist on us for 2004; Gore, Daschle, Kerry, and the sorry Biden. Unless Bush is found in bed with Osama, he will win in a landslide.)
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:51 am

Stretch 8: Unless Bush is found in bed with Osama, he will win in a landslide.

Remember his father´s second term?

Exactly.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:48 pm

Exactly Klaus!
A lot can happen in 2 1/2 years.
Papa Bush had a 91% approval rating in 1991 and got whipped 18 months later winning only 35%.
Little Bush can only hide behind 9/11 for so long before people realize he is just using it as an opportunity to shove his right-wing agenda down our throats.

I still think we're in luck. He just may be a one termer after all.  Smile




Till then, I can say:
"Don't Blame Me , I Voted For Gore"  Smile
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:43 pm

If there is an election that needs to be rurun....It is the Kennedy vs. Nixon. Daley rigged that one.
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L-188

Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:59 pm

L-188: If there is an election that needs to be rurun....It is the Kennedy vs. Nixon. Daley rigged that one.

Probably. Even if it seems a little late...  Wink/being sarcastic

But still: Are there any serious attempts to update the voting system? It might be preferable to having doubt hanging over every other election...
 
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RE: Klaus & Superfly

Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:38 pm

You guys are smoking the drapes. Take a close look at potential '04 Dem rivals to President Bush. None of these jokers are electible. Old man Bush lost in '92 because he was ill, and too tired to run an effectice campaign. That little troll Perot stole votes from Bush Sr. Clinton ran a great campaign. Daschle, Gore, Kerry (either one) or Biden will circle jerk in the primaries and have nothing left for the general election. That won't happen with the younger Bush. That pindick Rove and the other Bush operatives are much more ruthless.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:15 pm

Stretch 8 wrote: "Memo to Al: You have already run for president THREE TIMES, and failed. Give it up,"

There has to be some sort of addiction (or masochistic streak) that would cause people to go deep into debt and repeatedly subject themselves and their families to the hellish demands of public life (i.e., long hours, almost total loss of privacy, extended separation, vicious work environment, etc.).

There must be something out there just waiting to be called the 'Harold Stassen Syndrome', after the former Minnesota governor who made his first run for president in the '40s and was still making bids in the '80s.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:45 pm

Stretch 8,

George W. Bush nearly lost to an uncharismatic Al Gore in 2000, despite his ruthless operatives. What makes you say he will be such a good candidate in 2004? After all, he will almost certainly face a much tougher Democratic opponent this time around.

Sure, he will be the incumbent now, but what else has changed? Again, if you are thinking that the War Against Terrorism is enough for him to win the presidency, remember the Gulf War.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:06 am

Bush will use the incumbency to his advantage. The terror war will permit him to maximize the bully pulpit. The terror war will not have a quick end as did the Gulf War. Also, G.W. Bush inherited a recession that is now ending. So the parallel with his Dad does not withstand scrutiny.

As a candidate, Bush was lampooned as a dumbell rich party guy. He's not a lawyer (thank the Lord), but a businessman who knows how to stay on message. Most Americans have now gotten to know Bush, and tend to like his plain speaking approach.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:20 am

You also have to remember that last time Albert was the VP and that was the next best thing to being a presidential incumbant.

A VP to an 2 term and popular(BLAHH!!!) president should have been a cake-walk for the election. In the end it was his to lose and he lost it. Despite his childish behavior in the days afterward.

That is what people are going to remember about him. That and he invented the internet.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:36 am

Stretch 8 wrote:

>>Most Americans have now gotten to know Bush, and tend to like his plain speaking approach.

I think that MANY Americans who voted for Bush did so because they were choosing between two substandard candidates. And while they might support Bush's handling of the War, that doesn't really meant that they are jumping at the chance to become members of the "George W. Fan Club." I simply don't see a reason why a strong Democratic candidate like Kerry or Biden wouldn't be able to win the Presidency in 2004, especailly against such a mediocre (IMHO) incumbent.

L-188 wrote:

>>You also have to remember that last time Albert was the VP and that was the next best thing to being a presidential incumbant.

Well, this just proves that Bush's status as the incumbent doesn't guarantee his reelection in 2004.

So who's right? We'll see in 2004!
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:40 am

But how good are Kerry and Biden?

What have they done in their party and country leadership? The average voter has no clue.

But that same voter sees Bush all the time in the war against terrorism. Either sending Cheney to the Mideast or getting mad at the INS.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:33 am

PanAm747 wrote:

>>But how good are Kerry and Biden? What have they done in their party and country leadership? The average voter has no clue.

You're right, the average voter has no clue about them... now. But as 2004 approaches, many voters may begin to realize that their ideas actually make sense. They have plenty of time. Also, I believe that these two candidates' personalities will make them far better candidates than George W. Bush (even though he is an incumbent).

And, of course, no one knows how the rest of Bush's term will turn out; Bush's team may make some major missteps before 2004. Only time will tell.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:17 am

It is really pointless to speculate about the 2004 elections.
I doubt any of the above mentioned Democratic candidates will be the party nominee in 2004.
In March of 1990, nobody outside of Arkansas knew who Bill Clinton was. It was expected that Mario Cuomo would run and be the Democratic nominee in 1992. In 1982, it was Ted Kennedy that was expected to be Reagan's foe in the 1984 election. In 1970, Edmund Muskie (D-ME) was leading Nixon by more than 10 points in gallup polls. McGovern got the nomination in 1972 and lost to Nixon in a landslide.

I'd say keep an eye on Grey Davis Ca gov. or Evan Bayh (D-IN).
People tend to vote there pocketbook PERIOD!
War or not, if the economy is in bad shape in 2004, he will get a spanking at the polls just like his Papa.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:41 am

Superfly's right about the unpredictability of elections. There are too many cautionary tales about politicians who seemed destined to greatness and then veered off course into obscurity.

Then there were some who came roaring out of nowhere: Bill Clinton was just another obscure, small-state governor until about 15-18 months before his 1992 election. Same with Carter, with the additional disadvantage of being a former governor. (I seem to remember seeing an old magazine from '75 or '76 once, listing all the possible Democratic candidates -- except for the guy who later won.)
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:04 am

Thanks Mcdougald.

Another important note.
I wouldn't dare to start writting Al Gore's political obituary just yet. Richard Nixon had a pattern similar to Al Gore's. Nixon served in the House, Senate and then 8 years as VP under a very popular two term President.
Nixon lost in a close race and then lost again in his home state when he ran for Gov. of California.
He made his famous quote; "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore!" That was after losing that race in 1962 deciding to quite politics all together.
He came back and won the Presidency 6 years later and then was re-elected in a landslide.
he was still a jerk

In the early 60s, people were calling Nixon a pathetic sore loser. That wasn't the case in 1972.

So even if Gore were to run for an office in Tennessee and lose, I still wouldn't write him off.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:14 am

The Dems need to start planning for tommorow today.

If they want to catch up to GWB's money truck, someone really needs to go onto a major fuindraising trip soon. Either that, or start voting pro NRA  Smile

I don't think the new campaign finance decions will have an effect on the '04 elections, right? When will those new rules kick in?
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:30 am

as much as i hate to quote someone like clinton....

"it's the economy, stupid!"

i believe that the condition of the economy at the time of an election is the biggest factor in whether or not a president gets a second term. if the economy is great shape when an incumbent is running for reelection...people don't want to change that so most of them will vote to keep that president in office. if the economy is in a recession at election time, then people are ready to throw the president out of office hoping the new guy will remedy things.

here's just a few examples:

carter: in 1980 the country was slipping into a deep recession. it's no surprise that reagan beat him.

reagan: although his first term started with the country going even deeper into recession, by 1984 there was a big recovery. with the hope of new prosperity reagan won by a huge landslide in 1984.

bush, sr.: he started out riding on the prosperity of the late 80s. even though he led the country through the gulf war with great approval ratings, it wasn't enough to counter the fact that the economy was sliding into another recession in '92.

clinton: clinton ran for office at the perfect time...at the height of the '92 recession. the economy turned around at the very very end of bush's term just in time for clinton to take office. by 1996 the country was experiencing probably the greatest prosperity it had seen up to that point, so it's not a big surprise that clinton was reelected (although personally i don't see him as responsible for the prosperity of the 90's)

and whether or not bush will be elected to a second term will be due mainly to the economic conditions of 2004. my prediction is that if the economy is at its bottom now and begins to turn around, as the most recent economic figures suggest, by 2004 the economy will be in strong shape once again. with that fact on top of bush's post-9/11 popularity to play off of, i don't think the democrats will stand much of a chance against bush. however things could be different if the economy doesn't improve....

just my thought!
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:39 am

Bush/Gore, Gore/Bush, Kerry/Bush, Bush/Kerry, etc, etc. Does anyone really think there is one iota of difference between any of them? The last staesman this country elected as president was James Earl Carter.
Reagans nickname was the "Great Communicator". Meant he could spew the BS with the best of them, which he did well.
Bush SR. was well qualified as president but I think he didn't really want the job.
Clinton? The only thing I will say about him is "THANK GOD IT'S OVER"!
Bush Jr I think is a good hearted man, but he is still owned by Wall Street.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:32 pm

Many people say that Carter is a better citizen than a President, with the good he is doing with the "Carter Center" in Atlanta.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:39 pm

I will bet if Bush attacks Iraq, his popularity will plummit for a few reasons, 1 being there is no direct evidence to link Iraq with terrorism, oil prices will soar and people with huge suv's will be ticked off, some of the weaker airlines will go bankrupt because of the high fuel prices, and there will be significant US casualties. Why? Caus the kiddies got to fix what daddy screwed up.

The democrats can and will find a viable candidate for prez. Clinton just sort of came out of nowhere to win, and that might just happen again.

BTW, William Jennings Bryan ran for president 4 times and lost. Guess his political career was crucified on a cross of gold.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:29 pm

DC3Cowboy:

We already had a Socialist President! His name was Jimmy Carter.
 
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:36 pm

Jimmy Carter socialist?

Not even!
Remember, he was one of those conservative southern Democrats from Joe-ja (Georgia)


Those closest the US has had to a socialist was FDR.
ooh don't dare say that about a popular president
..but it's true, not that socialism is bad or anything.
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RE: Gore's Yelling About GW Again-For 2004

Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:25 pm

FDR, or his wife?

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