donder10
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Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:20 am

ITV digital might be placed in administration and thus the lower league teams wont get the money from the TV deal they have budgeted for.Apparently this could force up to 30 clubs out of business.IMO the players are extremely overpaid in the lower divisions.If clubs are in precarious finanaical situations with a TV deal as fat as the ITV digital one is,questions have to be asked about how wisely the clubs are using the money.
 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:10 am

I thought forsure this thread was going to say all the fans ended up killing themselves off with all the rioting that goes on.
 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:19 am

*throws chair*

Actually, this truly is ITV Digital's fault. They paid a LOT of money for the rights to the league games, but the truth is no one watches league games!! Supporters of league clubs go to the games, non-supporters don't care. There aren't any people who want to watch them on TV, simply because they're not big/good enough. ITV Digital offered lots of money for these games, and the clubs thought they'd gone to heaven. Wages and transfer fees between league clubs went up, but income other than from the TV money didn't. Now ITV can't pay, and the clubs are fucked.

Couple that with ITV Digital's massive financial problems, not to mention the 3 subscribers to the service (compared with the 8.9 trillion subscriber's to Sky Digital's much superior product)

ITV Digital -- The New Home Of Football? Well, Sky's got Rupert Murdoch, and it's not Sky who will kill Division 3.

Anyway, back to the festivities....

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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:55 am

What rioting dude?

This stuff only goes in the italian/spanish leagues. Not in England!!

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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:17 am

 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:35 am

777236ER,
you sumed it up pretty well.Noone gives a crap about the delights of Jason Lee and co.Greedy agents are buggering the game too
 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 10:06 pm

Sky are partly to blame,because they refuse to carry ITV Sports Channel on their digital platform which wrecks ITV's subscription numbers. Put it this way, as a Manchester City fan I would have subscribed to ITV Sports Channel ('cos they were on it ever bloody week!) but as I have Sky I wasn't able to, and ITV Digital was not available where I live.

There is no doubt that ITV badly overpaid for the contract, but it is interesting that the Football League point to a clause in the "contract" (it wasn't a formal contract) that says that ITV Digital and its shareholders (my italics) guarantee the funding to the League. Just on that basis, it looks like the league have a case.

The problem is that the clubs have already spent the money.

Should ITV Digital collapse, expect Sky and the BBC to put in a joint bid to cover matches, offering a very low fee. Industry insiders reckon the market value for Divisions One, Two and Three is now no more than £15 million a year.

Expect the Premier League value to drop substantially next time round as well. Quite simply, wages will have to fall in the longer term.
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:29 pm

Hi Banco,
'There is no doubt that ITV badly overpaid for the contract, but it is interesting that the Football League point to a clause in the "contract" (it wasn't a formal contract) that says that ITV Digital and its shareholders (my italics) guarantee the funding to the League. Just on that basis, it looks like the league have a case. '
But apparently the shareholders of ITV digital have sought the opinions of 2 top barristers and both say that the Football League doenst have a case.IMO rugby is a better game anyway ,but thats another story  Smile



 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:32 pm

Well, Donder10, no-one is likely to come out publicly and say that they haven't got a leg to stand on! Just reading the press about this, no-one seems sure who has the stronger case. I suppose time will tell, but I cannot believe that if one side has a very weak case they will pursue it right through the courts - they'd get hammered for damages.

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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Mon Mar 25, 2002 11:53 pm

My closest friend works for ITV Digital in Battersea. I feel very sorry for her, reading on every UK news website and paper that (if predictions are correct) she'll be holding her P45 by the end of next week. What a way to go.

Saying that, somebody has screwed up bigtime. Can't avoid it the facts. Just a pity for everybody concerned - either the clubs go down, or ITV Dig does. Don't think it'll be the clubs...

 
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:29 am

Many of the clubs have only themselves to blame,the lower leagues had the chance to sort themselves out ten years ago when the premier league was being formed.Instead of wasting time in the courts the football league could have got everyone together and put forward a realistic survival plan.That was the point at which the bottom two leagues should have gone back to North/South divisions,you could have had Divs 3+4 South and North by bringing the conference clubs into the football league and cutting the number of clubs in what is now Div 1-hopefully having the effect of increasing the quality of the top division of the football league and making it more marketable to the TV companies.

Ten years ago I could watch Portsmouth for a fiver a game,it now costs £16 a game to watch the same middle of the road first division football,only now we have the pleasure of sitting down when it rains instead of standing up.That's why I rarely go to Fratton park anymore,no wonder so many clubs are in debt.


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Banco
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:35 am

Entirely correct, Matt.

Interestingly, when I was at Maine Road recently I noticed the prices there were lower than any other team in the top three divisions. And yet the ground capacity is too low to accommodate all the fans that want to go. Curious tactic.
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777236ER
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:07 am

ITV digital shot themselves in the foot. They constantly advertise themselves DIRECTLY against sky, and refused for a LONG time to let ITV1/ITV2 be shown on Sky Digital, dispite Sky's requests. Now they're in a desperate situation, Sky have got ITV1/ITV2 and are giving ITV the finger by not showing (and paying for) ITV Sport.

Compare Sky Digital and ITV/On Digital. ITV made it very clear that they were the football channel. Well, on Sky you can have the Premiership matches AND access to the pay-per-view matches on Premiership+, as well as a LOT of other services. Being "The Football Channel" doesn't really cut it.
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qantas744
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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Wed Mar 27, 2002 4:21 am

Banco,

Even if the quality of football is frequently poor in Div 1 you can at least get some sense of value for money in that you have had three relegations and are on the verge of a fourth promotion since Pompey last had any movement out of the division in either direction-unless you count a sucession of last day survivals as entertainment.


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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:53 am

Haven't seen this noted but apparently ITV Digital did not sign the £315m deal! All they signed was a short-term deal.

Makes it a bit more interesting to see who'll win the legal battle!

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RE: Lower League Football In Trouble In UK

Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:10 pm

It's hinted at above, David. It wasn't that ITV refused to sign a contract, it is just that it was never formally contracted. There is a legal document, a sort of MOU, that both sides agreed and signed, but that is, presumably, the basis for ITV Digital's case.

Qantas744, You might regard that as entertainment, but next year, please can we have a nice quiet, dull season at Maine Road with a nice dull mid-table finish! Big grin
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