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Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:27 pm

Please search for JA8965 on the searchengine. It is a 747 from ANA. It has no winglets, but everyone says it is a -400 series. So what about it? Is it a -400 with its winglets cut off, or did all the photographers make a mistake?

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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:33 pm

There is no JA8965 in the database. It brings up 8962 and others.

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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:37 pm

Jaspike, that's very weird, my searches of ja8965 gives a 747-300(looks like that) with the photographers saying it is a -400. If it is working I have post some of the photos:


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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:44 pm

It says -400D. D is for domestic. They don't have winglets.
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:46 pm

I looked it up in the Bill Harms list and it says it is a -400. But I don't see any winglets!!!????? Does anybody have an explanation for it?

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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:52 pm

Ah thanks Jan Mogren, didn't know that. so it is basically a -300 with -400 technology? How many have been build and is it still in production?

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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:59 pm

Well when I searched for it, it didn't come up..strange..

I got a few 747's and some 777's..

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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:04 pm

Maybe yo put a - between JA and the number like ja-8965 instead of ja8965?
 
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:04 pm

Winglets are good in high altitude cruise. On Japanese domestic sectors they aren't useful. They cost a lot and they weigh. The D version is a 400 but without winglets.
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:09 pm

The 400 Domestic doesn't have winglets, and tend to have high MTOW, and have slightly beefed up wings and gear. They're still a 744 though, with the new wing, interior and avionics.

And since when was this non-aviation related?
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:10 pm

As Jan Morgen said, it's a -400 wothout the winglets. I recall reading somewhere, that the winglets could be added, and it could become a -400.
 
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:18 pm

It IS a 400! Just without winglets and beefy gear and wings!
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RE: Ja8965

Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:24 pm

Maybe yo put a - between JA and the number like ja-8965 instead of ja8965
Nope, I copied it straight from your post at the top.

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RE: Ja8965

Sun Apr 07, 2002 4:58 am

ANA have swopped some of their domestic fleet of 747-400 to international by adding winglets. This was done to level out the number of cycles done ie a domestic short haul 747 will do more than a longhaul 747.

JA8957 was a domestic when i felw on it in 1996 but i have seen it since at LHR
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RE: Ja8965

Sun Apr 07, 2002 5:31 am

More importantly, why is the Flight Crew trying to scrape all the alluminum off the underside of the empenage in the first photo?

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