mirrodie
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Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 10:46 am

This is news to me, but last night, my girlfriend and I overhead her parents saying that Australia/ Australians are Anti-Semites.

They said that there was some history of Australia being anti-semitic. I DON'T know WHERE they got it from...

... and I disagree with them, as we spent a month down there with some of the friendliest folk on earth.

Can anyone point to some evidence of that rather overgeneralized statement they made? Say it ain't so!
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RE: Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 3:31 pm

Um, well I would REALLY like to know where your parents got that one from. I am Jewish and Australian born and bred and never in my entire life have I encountered any anti-semetic views expressed by Australians at all!
Australia has a lot of faults but in no way are we anti-semetic.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:37 pm

Actually I was under the impression that Australia and Israel were on very strong terms, in part of course to Oz's prosperous Jewish community (which includes Ansett's would be owner Soloman Lew and other notables).

John Howard has indicated a very strong and important relationship between the two former British colonial properties.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:41 pm

I kind of find it hard to believe, why would that be said?
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RE: Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 6:49 pm

Australia is neither Anti-Semetic nor does it have a large jewish community.

I have always maintained the term anti-semetic is thrown around far to often and this appears to be yet another example of that.




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RE: Australia And Judaism

Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:20 pm

"I have always maintained the term anti-semetic is thrown around far to often"

Add Genocide, War Crimes, Atrocities, Massacre, Humiliation and State Terrorism to that list as well.  Big grin

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:14 am

I know I would pretty much be in agreement with all of you.

ADG- You are right on. I think there was a real twist on words there by her parents.

From what I understand, they mentioned something like Australia setting up some sort of camp for PALESTINES. (therefore, IN THEIR MINDS, they MUST be anti-semitic)

At least, That's where I think they got it from. But what took us off guard was that her parents said there was some sort of 'history' of antisemitism in Oz. I don't buy that either.
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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 3:07 am

Hi, there is a very sad episode that happened during the WWII. When the jewish people tried to escape Europe to save their lives many countries refused them entry. As the Nazi's were capturing them and sending to concentration camps, many tried desperately to emigrate to countries in the Americas and Australia. Some were denied entry and had to return to Europe sadly where they found death.

When this happened, the then Australian Minister of Foreign Affairs (sorry I do not remember his name) said this: "In Australia we do not have a problem with racism, and we do not want to import one". Australia denied the entry of some jewish people which were refuges.

I read this on a newspaper from that time that is exhibited at the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem. If you visit the museum you can read it.

On the other hand Italy was famous buy the amount of jewish people they saved, even considering that Musolini was in power.

Not only Australia but also Cuba was famous for not letting Jewish people to enter the country. I don't know if this could be called antisemitism but it shows a terrible and discusting lack of humanity.
 
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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:58 am

Sadly, the US can also be added to that list that refused entry to some 20,000 Jewish children during WWII because during that time we were practising a quota system introduced after WWI to regulate immigration. As for that year the quota for Germany had been filled, so even though these Jews needed a safe harbour, the US sent them back to Europe, despite there being at least partial knowledge of what Hitler was up to.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 5:36 am

Lima and LH423, thanks for the interesting pespective on history. I figured they must have been referencing some old incident.

But I hardly believe that the views of the Aussie PM at the time would indicative of views held by the Australian people.

So maybe that's what they're talking about.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 7:04 am

You are describing a time known as "the great depression", do you really believe that a country should have imported refugees when it couldn't even afford to feed itself?

During WW2, a time when we (according to some) should have been bringing these refugees in with open arms, my grandmother was BURYING my uncle in an unmarked mass grave in Melbourne Victoria because there was NO PENICILLIN to treat his flu, which turned into Pneumonia and killed him. He was 18 months old and died of a totally curable condition even in those days.

She had no money to bury him, no money to feed her family properly and her husband was off fighting a war.

Do you really think it was a racial reason that we were against the importation of refugees at the time?

Why do people turn economic decisions into racial slurs?

Mind you, don't those guys hold a grudge or WHAT?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Using something that apparently happened over 50 years ago to tarnish a whole country in perpetuity!





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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 8:20 am

Using something that apparently happened over 50 years ago to tarnish a whole country in perpetuity!

My grandparents and many like them will never travel to Germany or buy German products if they can help it. Moreover, my grandparents were born in Frankfurt.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:21 am

Guys,

One thing I can say about Australia 50 years ago, on top of ADG's comments, is that we were a very isolated and tiny nation. (Still are I suppose.)

The notion of importing refugee and ethnic problems was of notable concern. Especially when you realise that we read and watched the horror from long distance. Serious consideration over the years had gone into the immigrant quotas and ethnic mix.

Anti-Semite? No I don't think so. The only trouble Australian Jews get is when things flare up in the middle east and synagogues seem to be the targets for fires and bombs. And always coming from the more extreme of the middle eastern communities.

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:00 am

do australians hate anybody?
 
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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:00 am

You are describing a time known as "the great depression", do you really believe that a country should have imported refugees when it couldn't even afford to feed itself?

Of course not, God forbid! Ironically, the Dominican Republic did admit many Jews at that time -- I guess they must have been going through a very prosperous period!

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RE: Australia And Judaism

Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:10 am

""Do Australians hate anybody?""

As a nation we don't really "hate" anyone. We try to keep friendly relations with all nations and are usually deemed a benign nation in return. But if push comes to shove we have (and proven this many times) to support our allies in the Western world, which may have not looked favourably upon us.

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