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Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:10 am

NORML is apparently beginning a huge campaign (just in time for 4/20) with a quote from the Mayor of New York City emblazoned accross the top, and the Mayor (Mr. Bloomberg) is pissed. So I have a 2-part question-do you think it is right for NORML use the mayor without the mayors approval, and what is your opinion of marijuana in general?

From my little corner of the world, I think Mr. Bloomberg, though unhappy, can't really do much about it. As a public figure he has no choice but to allow his words and visage to be used however NORML wants. In becoming mayor of New York City he resigned himself to such a fate.

Regarding marijuana, I believe it should be legalized. I smoke it every so often, as do many of my friends. From my point of view there are so many smokers out there, and the laws regarding it have become so ridiculous, that I think the government may eventually have no choice but to legalize it. Ideally the government would allow small amounts to be possessed and smoked in non-public areas. It seems to me as though the Western world in general is relaxing-I hear that in Vancouver it's already pretty much legal, and that Britain is less than 5 years away from decriminalization (correct me if I'm wrong).
Regards,
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:08 am

The Mayor is not pissed, don't know where you heard that. The version I heard was "I respect the right to free speech and freedom of press, and since I did say that quote I have no problems taking the repercussions from it" ... he doesn't sound pissed. As for the pot, it should be regulated. I can't see why it is illegal when cigarettes and alcohol are legal.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:32 am

"I'm not thrilled," said Bloomberg at a City Hall news conference on Monday when asked about his depiction in the campaign, adding that First Amendment laws probably would prevent him from stopping the ads.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=579&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020409/en_nm/life_bloomberg_pot_dc

Sounds unhappy about it to me...
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:58 am


Anyone remember when Pres Clinton got pissed (rightfully so in my opinion) for his unintended role in the movie 'Contact'?
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:08 pm

Didn't something similar happen to Guliani. I think I remember hearing, secondhand though, that an environmentalist group put his picture up on a billboard with the phrase "got prostate cancer" underneath it. Where did this actually happen? If I remember correctly Guliani was pretty ticked off.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:21 pm

Its funny how the burnout kids always claim that its not bad. They say it does nothing. Yea right.

YOu don't find honor studnets who screw themselves up with stuff like that. It won't ever be legal in the US. Buying drugs only supports bad things, such as terrorism. So why don't you just go give money to Al Qeuda instead? Or howabout the drug dealer that murdered someones mother or father? With drugs, comes dependence, then comes poverty then comes a poor society.

 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:30 pm

I smoke it every so often, as do many of my friends.

I did 2 or 3 times last year (during hitch hiking), when everything was F..ked up.

Not using it anymore.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:33 pm

You don't find honor students who smoke marijuana? Try doctors, lawyers, business owners. Are these people burnouts? Yeah dude, you DO find honor students who do it and honorable professionals. But they sure as hell aren't going to come out and say they do it in public. It should be legal. If Nyquil is legal than so should be marijuana.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:34 pm

Sad to see all the potheads in America addicted to drugs that will eventually f*ck them up in life.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:38 pm

Are you a pothead, Focker?
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:43 pm

Sophie,

Your simple mind. Sure there are proffesionals who have done this or do it. But you don't really know. But its not to common.
There arn't pot heads at any schools ive been to that can compete acedemically or physically with the rest of us. THe AMA has put out study after study about how its decreases neurons in the cerebral cortex and its devestating physical effects. Thats what gives the pot heads the allusion that its ok and also what gives them there rather stoned glossy look. Its a drug. You get addicted, it messes you up. Just because you think its ok, doesn't mean it is. YOu arn't the deciding factor.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:47 pm

Well i go to a prep school and almost all my friends smoke pot and 90 % of them are honor students while the other 5% are high honor. I dont think weed plays a role in weither someone is sucsessful in life or not. I think it is based more on the enviroment they grow up in and the kind of family support they have.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:54 pm

To all the people who believe marijuana is safe and gives you no problems, read:

The short-term effects of marijuana include:


-problems with memory and learning;
-distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch);
-trouble with thinking and problem-solving;
-loss of coordination; and
-increased heart rate, anxiety, panic attacks.

These risks are even greater when other drugs are mixed with the marijuana; and users do not always know what drugs are given to them.


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More hazards:

One of the biggest hazards of marijuana for teens is this: The drug can make you mess up in school, in sports or clubs, or with your friends. If you're high on marijuana, you are more likely to make stupid mistakes that could embarrass or even hurt you. If you use marijuana a lot, you could start to lose energy and lose interest in how you look and how you're getting along at school or work. In addition, there is a strong link between drug use and unsafe sex and the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

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Findings so far show that regular use of marijuana or THC may play a role in some kinds of cancer and in problems with the respiratory, immune, and reproductive systems.

Cancer - It's hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But is known that marijuana smoke contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

Lungs and airways - People who smoke marijuana often tend to develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have. They suffer frequent coughing, phlegm production, and wheezing, and they tend to have more chest colds than non-users.

Immune system - Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues that help protect people from disease.

Reproductive system - Heavy use of marijuana can affect both male and female hormones. Young men could have delayed puberty because of THC effects. Young women may find the drug disturbs their monthly cycle (ovulation and menstrual periods).


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THC disrupts the nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed. This makes it hard to the user to recall recent events, and so it is hard to learn while high. A working short-term memory is required for learning and performing tasks that call for more than one or two steps.

Some studies show that when people have smoked large amounts of marijuana for years, the drug takes its toll on mental functions. Researchers are still learning about the many ways that marijuana affects the brain.


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While not everyone who uses marijuana becomes addicted, when a user begins to feel that he or she needs to take the drug to feel well, that person is said to be dependent or addicted to the drug. About 100,000 people seek treatment for marijuana use each year, showing they need help to stop using.

Some frequent, heavy users of marijuana develop a tolerance for it. “Tolerance” means that the user needs larger doses of the drug to get the same desired results that he or she used to get from smaller amounts.



Now, to all potheads and marijuana supporters, who should people trust more, you or the Surgeon General?




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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:02 pm

Way to go NWA742!!! ARn't we just on a ball tonight!
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:04 pm

Zeus01, yep we sure are! I wonder when the rumors about us being the same person are gonna start.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:06 pm

lol, im going to bed. maybe we can fight injustice tomorrow.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:13 pm

Ok, you and I seem to agree on a lot. Have a good night.


Also, one more note to this subject:

A few weeks ago, two people I knew from work were killed in a car accident, by a driver that was drunk, and had a lit joint in the car beside him. He survived somehow, and now will probably be in prison the rest of his life. I bet he's thinking to himself,

"Gee, if only I didn't use drugs and drink and drive, I would have a life, and that man and woman would still be alive."

BTW, the people who were killed were on their way to pick up their 2 year old daughter from Daycare.

Now, that daughter is gonna be raised by complete strangers, and she be affected like this for the rest of her life.

Just something to think about...... Sad
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 3:18 pm

Yeah dude, you DO find honor students who do it and honorable professionals. But they sure as hell aren't going to come out and say they do it in public.
There are many students and professionals in this country who use cocane but don't admit it. Should we legalize that too?
Yes, pot causes breathing problems just like tobacco. My ex smoked EVERY DAY even at work and he could not use his albuterol inhaler enough. I smoke tobacco (only a pack a week) and I don't have breathing problems yet.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 3:34 pm

At this rate in California cigarrettes are going to be illegal and weed is going to become legalized. Well at least those tools doing to "truth" commercials will have something else to whine about. I can already see the headlines in tomorrows newpapers.... Potheads sue "Big Marijuana" for ill effects caused for smoking weed.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:27 pm

Personally I think anyone who does drugs is an idiot and are choosing to mess up their lives for a very stupid reason. The only good I could see coming out of legalizing MJ is if the government taxed the hell out of it. That would sure help us get out of the recession we are in, but I still don't think its a good idea. I have the perfect evidence that Marijuana messes you up. Anybody remember our friend Bombstar???? Enough said  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:47 pm

Lol, I remember Bombstar. That was one fucked up kid.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:01 pm

In the Netherlands marijuana is legal.(well, it is not legal but you won't be arrested for it or something like that). But NWA742 and Zeus01, I have NEVER heard any story about people getting seriously sick after using marijuana in the Netherlands(and I can assure you that a lot of people use it here). I have never used it and I probably never will, but I can reassure you that smoking weed or marijuana is not more hazardous then smoking cigarettes. Marijuana can be dangerous if you can not handle the effects of it or if you use it in hazardous combinations or amounts(just like alcohol!), but just saying that marijuana will get you into healthproblems is just not true.

PH-BFA

 
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Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:08 am

PH_BFA-

Go to the AMA's webiste and look for yourself. ITs a known fact among the medical community that is causes problems. Only the uninformed say things like its not bad for you. Or those who are living in denial of it.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:30 am

Zeus01,

it causes problems yes I agree, so does alcohol and smoking cigarettes! I did not say it is not hazardous, but the risks of using marijuana is not as big as you pretend it to be. If marijuana would cause seriouse diseases I can assure you it would have been never legalised here in the Netherlands.
And, here in the Netherlands we don't live in denial of it since it has been legalised so I don't get your point. And secondly I am not unimformed. Just to show you how dangerous marijuana really is, here is some information:

Annual American deaths caused by drugs:

Tabacco 400000
Alcohol 100000
All legal drugs 20000
All illegal drugs 10000
Caffeine 2000
Asprin 500
Marijuana 0

source: www.marijuana.nl

PH-BFA




 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:33 am

PH-BFA: Marijuana leads to a number of health problems...so reading from some pot supporting website that Mary J has caused no death's is garbage.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:33 am

Got any statistics of how many people start with marijuana and then go on to heavier drugs?

 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:40 am

PH-BFA

I don't think those facts are what so ever accurate. First off, you got those faacts from a drug sopporting website. What a load of bull shit. A bunch on dopped up junkies wrote pot causes no deaths. Someone should hit them with a board you know.

Like I said, go the the AMA's website and search for marajuana studies. Its biggest threat I believe is to your eyes. Causes glaucomo I beleive, as well as lung cancer, decreased neurons, chemical imbalances, damage to the brain because of oxygen deprivation, etc.
I neve said tobacco wasn't bad or alcohol. But if pot is legalized, we are just going to have more problems. USe would sky rocket. THat means dealers would be in business and dealers are the scum of society. THey are murders, etc.
I love the netherlands and love KLM very much. I enjoy being 17 and having a beer or wine at AMS and smoking a cigar. But, your country supports multiple things I can't agree with and im not sure how they do it either. Its seeming to be the pinnacle of liberal society.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:41 am

My God, a pro-marijuana site has pro-marijuana statistics!!

I think hell's still pretty hot.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:52 am

Well Zeus01 like I said I will also never use marijuana, because I oppose the idea of smoking in general, it is just bad and could get you in to serious health problems. I do think that legalising softdrugs has cleared a lot of problems here in the Netherlands. Just think about the extra capacity in jails, policemen who can focus on other serious crimes and crime in general decreased(marijuana is out of the criminal circuit). It also gave us the name of 'drugsheaven' or so, which I am ofcourse not very proud of.

PH-BFA
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:38 am

Ok, yes, I've seen people get really messed up from smoking pot, their lives go to sh*t and they move on to the harder drugs. Yes, I've seen people smoke pot and lead perfectly normal lives, get good grades and go on the do very well. It is all about moderation though.
If you smoke it everyday, even every other day, you're going to get really messed up...but that happens just the same with alcohol and tobaco!

When it comes down to it, if you want to smoke, so be it. It's like wanting to have a drink now and then. It's when you take it to extremes that your life gets damaged.
I know what it's like and if I could I'd change what I did, but I can't. I managed not to screw my life up, still got good grades and made it out ok...but it took some effort.

Zeus01, NWA742...don't preach, just state the facts and move on. A greater number of people than you believe have either: 1. tried it 2. Use it regularly 3. Want to try it...and its not just kids. It is adults, doctors, lawyers, politicians, trash haulers, carpenters, mechanics, executives, and on.

Should it be legalized? Yes, a limited type like they have in B.C. and the Netherlands. Who knows if we can handle it though...

Just my 2 bits...
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:54 am

Annual American deaths caused by drugs:

Tabacco 400000
Alcohol 100000
All legal drugs 20000
All illegal drugs 10000
Caffeine 2000
Asprin 500
Marijuana 0


Uhhhhh.......who do you think we should believe? Some facts from the Surgeon General or a pro-marijuana websight?

That's like reading a website that is pro-cocaine and believing them when they say it can't harm you or kill you.

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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:22 am

You anti-marijuana freaks actually believe the government? I suggest you visit the boards at overgrow.com because the people there know the truth about why marijuana is illegal, unlike most people who take what the government says as gospel. Please visit the forums on overgrow.com because they really changed my primitive DARE educated mind, and educated me about the TRUTH, not the propaganda the government readily supplies to the masses. Take it from a bumper sticker I once saw; "DARE to think for yourself"!!!
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:25 am

Dahawaiian -- yup, the government is against us all.

Marijuana is bad for you. End of story.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:27 am

NWA742's right, you can't trust these facts. Id like to make my point and move on, but obviously theres still a aruguemtn to be made here.

Maybe it works in the NEtherlands to have weed, but in the states. Yea right. This country (as much as I love it) has got to be full of more dumbass and ignorant people than any other. Thats exactly why the DEA knows we can't handle it. Plus, if we start with Pot, its only going to lead to other things.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:27 am

You anti-marijuana freaks actually believe the government? I suggest you visit the boards at overgrow.com because the people there know the truth about why marijuana is illegal, unlike most people who take what the government says as gospel. Please visit the forums on overgrow.com because they really changed my primitive DARE educated mind, and educated me about the TRUTH, not the propaganda the government readily supplies to the masses. Take it from a bumper sticker I once saw; "DARE to think for yourself"!!!

LMAO!

It isn't the government who gives out medical info about marijuana. It is professional doctors who know a 1000 times more about pot and the human body than you do. You trust a drug-supporting website over a Surgeon General?? Wow, if your a pothead, than your post is direct proof of how marijuana effects you!
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:32 am

All you pot heads are so desperate for a excuse to legalize pot and promote it. Have you smoked that much of it that its already f-ed your mind over? Common Hawwian. Were not the blind ones here. ITs ignorants like this that cause so many problems with society. Its poeple like this who are most likely to wind up in jail. Its PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO BUY DRUGS THAT SUPPORT MURDERS AND TERRORIST. If we didn't have your stupid pot, thered be a lot less problems. Maybe if we didn't have pot, innocent womena children would get shot by drug dealers. YOu are a idiot you know that. This is what you stand for. YOu should be ashamed.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:34 am

Oh my god, there are some incredibly arrogant people on this board. Do you think that weed is smuggled in from Syria, Afghanistan, Korea etc. and supports terrorists? Do you really believe that? Legalizing weed would eliminate lots of problems, including overcrowding in jails, reduce crime, and save billions of dollars for the government to use on more constructive problems such as education, and health care. You've got to face the fact that marijuana is going no-where, and people will use it regardless of the penalties.
Btw, I used it during my 8th, and 9th grade years, as a substitute for alcohol. I had a 4.3 Gpa, I quit and now have a 3.6 Gpa. Many of the people in my school use it, including several people in the top 10 of my 450 people class. Okay, ide love to write alot more, but cant finish, but im, sure ill elaborate when I get the time. Oh BTW, alcohol is soooo much worse than weed sooooo soooo much worse.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:52 am

Delta15,

A lot of terrorist organizations are funded by drug money! You're the arrogant one!
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 10:35 am

NWA742-sorry, but you must have read the topic incorrectly. The topic is specifically about marijuana. If you could find me a specific situation of marijuana funding a terrorist organization from a valid source, I would really appreciate that. Thank you, just please try and read the topic more carefully before you respond. Thanks again
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:01 am

Ummmmmm........try watching CNN sometime. They've said it a hundred times. Where else do you think terrorists get their money?
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:37 am

Delta,

You seem to have fabricated the common drug screen over your eyes. NWA and I have pointed our clear and honest facts about pot.
Al Queda has been reported to have been funded partially by heroin trafficing in afganistan from South East Asia, as well as many others. It also has funded the group shining path in peru who kidnaps missionaries and kills them.
Have you ever heard of the drug cartels???? You don't think these people are terrorists???????? They kill hundreds of innocent men and women every year. All with money from dumbasses like you who buy drugs. I hope your ashamed of yourself. I also think your full of shit about your GPA in 9th grade. 4.3? Yea right. Tell me all the weighted classes you had that makes you eligible for a 4.3 GPA in 9th grade. There arn't any unless your a genius, which Id bet that your not.

BTW, GPA doesn't determine how intellegent you are. It only determines how well youve performed in school. Big difference. Plenty of stupid kids I know do well in school, but obviosly are dumber than hell.
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:05 pm

Hey guys, I really don't feel like arguing this to death using snide comments, so I'll attack it another way. YES, marijuana does have some negative health effects such as small memory loss. However, I do believe that prohibiting is not fair to responsible people, not those stereotypical Cheech and Chong stoners that gave common marijuana smokers a bad name. I just want people to take a common sense approach towards this issue instead of dismissing it outright. I also think people are generally beginning to accept it as a part of society, much like alcohol is today. Read this fact-filled article, and decide for yourself.

War on Drugs: Your tax dollars at waste
By Bruce Mirken
Publication date: 04/08/2002
Special To The Examiner

NO ONE looks forward to April 15, but most of us pay our taxes willingly. After all, our dollars buy important things, from highways to missiles.

But what if for decades we spent hundreds of billions of dollars on a program without bothering to find out if it actually worked?

Or worse, what if we kept pouring money into a proven failure?

We are doing precisely that with the War on Drugs.

That is the inevitable conclusion of a devastating National Research Council report commissioned by the White House drug czar's office and released one year ago -- and ignored by the press and policymakers.

Titled "Informing America's Policy on Illegal Drugs: What We Don't Know Keeps Hurting Us" (available online at www.nap.edu/catalog/10021.html), the NRC's analysis concludes that we are not even collecting the data that would tell us whether present anti-drug strategies are working.

More startling, the data we do have doesn't support the central pillar of U.S. drug policy: Arresting and jailing drug users.

"Existing research," the NRC writes, "seems to indicate that there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and prevalence or frequency of use."

The researchers particularly noted that the 11 states that have greatly reduced penalties for marijuana possession have not seen increased use.

Bush administration budget chief Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., explained to the Washington Post in January that the administration would rate federal programs as "effective, ineffective and in-between," steering more money to programs that work and less to those that don't. Logically, this should lead to a major rethinking of anti-drug efforts.

It hasn't. Bush's budget tinkers a bit, but still allocates two-thirds of anti-drug funds to the same old failed law-enforcement efforts.

MARIJUANA -- legal under federal law until 1937 -- provides a telling example: According to government figures, only about 2 percent of Americans born before the ban took effect had used marijuana by the time they turned 21. But of those born 20 years later, from 1956 to 1960, more than 50 percent tried marijuana by age 21.

Since then, the percentage has consistently remained at least 2000 percent above pre-ban levels.

Federal anti-drug expenditures rose from $11.5 billion in 1992 to nearly $19 billion in 2002. The result? According to government surveys, in 1992, 33.3 percent of Americans had used at least one illicit drug. By 2000 that figure had risen to 38.9 percent. That year, the United States arrested 646,000 people for simple possession of marijuana, an all-time record.

But is marijuana really so dangerous that this draconian approach is needed? In March 1972, a national commission appointed by President Nixon declared, "The Commission is of the unanimous opinion that marijuana use is not such a grave problem that individuals who smoke marijuana, and possess it for that purpose, should be subject to criminal procedures."

This conservative group found that criminal prohibition actually undercuts efforts to discourage use and to curb misuse of marijuana.

In 1995, The Lancet, one of the world's most prestigious medical journals, stated flatly, "The smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health," and called for decriminalization. This March, the Canadian Medical Association did the same. Almost simultaneously, the British government's scientific advisory panel on illegal drugs reported, "The high use of cannabis is not associated with major health problems for the individual or society" and recommended ending arrests for marijuana possession.

-dahawaiian
 
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:16 pm

Ummmmmm........try watching CNN sometime. They've said it a hundred times. Where else do you think terrorists get their money?

really? I thought they made all thier money through bake sales...man, I'm lost  Wink/being sarcastic From reading this board, I have come to the conclusion that smoking weed, also makes you a conspiracy theororist. I have a friend who is the exact same way.

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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:53 am

NWA742: Because CNN sez so it's true?

Marijuana doesn't fund terrorists, but that doesn't mean it should be leagalised.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:31 am

Ok...
1. Some drugs do fund terrorists, but so does the US Government.
2. Marijuana can really mess you up, the AMA has that info...try looking up alcoho and tobacco and see what they say about those.
3. The War on Drugs does not work, in fact it seems a lot like the war on terror...limiting civil rights, military involvement in civilian affiars...et. al.
4. Legalized marijuana would work in spite of the poeple who would take advantage of it. Most users are moderate users (1-2times a month), only a small percetnage are the heavy wake n bake types...

just my 2cents...
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:08 am

NWA742: Because CNN sez so it's true?

Marijuana doesn't fund terrorists, but that doesn't mean it should be leagalised.


Not just CNN, but many other news stations. Marijuana does fund some terrorism organizations, denying this is just ridiculous.
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RE: Yup....Marjuana

Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:14 am

Where's your proof NWA? The US government also funds terrorism.
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