David_itl
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England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 12:56 am


Not appearing at a cricket ground near you this summer (except in Tests and the odd county game)

Nasser Hussain (capt.)
Marcus Trescothick (vice-capt.)
Michael Vaughan
Mark Butcher
Graham Thorpe
Andrew Flintoff
James Foster
Ashley Giles
Andy Caddick
Darren Gough
Matthew Hoggard

Fewer contracts than expected (it was expected to be 12 but the number may increase after a meeting next week).

No real surprises...well one..how does Foster get a contract? Bring forth Chucky Hegg!

David/MAN
 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:08 am

Because Hegg's 34 and Foster's 21.

Foster needs to do some work on his 'keeping, but the talent is certainly there.

They really need to contract about 20 players.

At least Ramprakash isn't there, hopefully that will be the end of his Test career. It's a shame as he has so much talent, but he just doesn't seem to have the mentality to go with it.
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:20 am


No Foster for now please...in 3 years perhaps but Hegg a) score runs and b) is a better keeper, so I'd prefer him, even if it does handicap Lancs! If this list is small due to "financial considerations", I wonder how they can justify taking Hegg on the tours of India and New Zealand and let him play just one three-day game.

Can't believe that Ramprakash has played 52 Tests for such a poor average; after 20 Tests it ought to have been obvious that he wasn't going to be up to it. Why do I have the cynical idea that a "northern" player wouldn't have lasted that long (e.g. Fairbrother springs to mind...if he had been told to pretend it's a county game, he would have thrived)

David/counting down time to MU losing.
 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:45 am

Those Southern conspiracies are everywhere David  Big grin  Laugh out loud I feel sorry for Ramprakash!He has alot of talent he just hasn't used it.Whereas Graeme Hick could just batter piss-poor bowling.How much faith do you have in Flintoffs ability with the bat?I think his bowling has the potential to be excellent at test level.
 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:47 am


Depends on what instruction Flintoff gets; if he is told to play "proper" Test match innings than he'll fail miserably. Tell him to blast a bowling attack apart and he'll do well; 18 months ago Peter Such was spinning Lancs out pretty much on his own (12 or 13 wickets in the match) but Flintoff came in and blazed away for about 40 minutes for 52ish, with Such having to be taken off as he was getting hit for 6 repeatedly.

He has the talent which I saw 3 years ago and no-one believed me; my biggest regret is not seeing him hit Alex Tudor for 34 in an over. His bowling is a revelation since he remodelled his action to avoid stressing his back although I would prefer him not to be used in long spells for the time being. And today's silly cricket prediction: he'll captain England by the time he's 30 years old.

David

ps Hick? I can sum him up on one game. England "A" v Sri Lanka. England lose wickets against the spinners. Hick comes in. Pace bowling resumes. Three balls later Hick comes back to the pavilion bowled, beaten for pace. End of over, and guess what, spinners back at that end.
 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:07 am

A bit off topic but i would like to talk about it with cricket fans from England....its sad how England,albeit shown signs of improvement in the past couple of years,are a shadow of their former self.....i mean uptil the very late 80's....England were one of the best.The won the ashes in '87 and did make it to the '92 world cup final.....but after that it was tragic to see the down hill slide of England. Not one player(maybe an exception or 2) emerged of the same standards as the England team in the 70's and 80's......i wish England still had players like
Boycott
Botham
Gooch
Dilley(i really liked him!)
Willis
Underwood.....it just would have been soo much better for cricket to have that much more competition and quality in the game....
I dont even want to get started on the W.Indies....if someone told Lyold in 1983 that his team in less then 20 years would be slightly better then Zimbabwe.....Lyold im sure could not have possibly conceived it...i just cant
By the way one question about Nasser Hussain...about his origins....isnt he half pakistani and half Lebanese/Syrian??

 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:37 pm

By the way one question about Nasser Hussain...about his origins....isnt he half pakistani and half Lebanese/Syrian??

Actually Hussain's father is a Muslim from either Bangalore or Madras in India, and his mother is British. There were articles in the press about Hussain's roots in south India the last time the English toured the country, especially during the match in Madras.
 
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RE: England's 11 Contracted Cricketers

Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:45 pm

Many of us are quite proud of Nasser's non-Anglo-Saxon origins. It shows how we really are making progress as a nation when no-one cares about his origins - he is English and the best man for the job.

As for Flintoff, he's still only young, and whilst he'll never be as good a batsman as, say, Ian Botham (whose average didn't really reflect how good a player he was) I think he'll improve and become one of the leading all-rounders in the world.

Moving on to England generally, I don't really see that much difference between now and the end of the eighties. Then, England gave everyone a good game apart from the West Indies. Now they give everyone a good game apart from Australia. Graham Thorpe is a world-class player, Darren Gough and Andy Caddick are world-class bowlers. Flintoff, Hoggard and Trescothick are all very promising, and young Ian Bell (19) should make the breakthrough shortly.

Add to that Steve Harmison, who is genuinely quick, and England have the makings of a decent test side coming through. It's not all doom and gloom.
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