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American Host City In 2012.

Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:21 pm

Which American city would YOU nominate to host the 2012 Summer Olympic Games?

Would you choose:

-Houston, Texas.

-Washington, DC.

-New York City, New York.

-San Francisco, California.

I am biased toward San Francisco. In my opinion, it is the best choice. Great summer climate, tons of public transit already in place, sites already chosen for events, and much of it is privately funded, minimizing the taxpayer burden. Plus, it's San Francisco, for crying out loud! Why not?

Houston's image is troubled after the Enron collapse, plus it was recently named the fattest city (also, it's too damn hot and polluted).
New York has bigger things to worry about, DC does too. SF is in a perfect position to be the host nomination for the US.

But this isn't about what I think. What do you think?
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:33 pm

WASHINGTON DC We deserve something!!!!
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:46 pm

I'd go with Washington. While San Francisco is an attractive candidate too, Washington's status as the nation's capital should count for something. Washington also seems to have the necessary facilities as well as a good transit infrastructure. Houston does not have such an infrastructure and (no offense intended) is simply not as "distinctive" a city as Washington or for that matter San Francisco. New York would be a decent choice but would never be able to get the necessary facilities built in time.
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:55 pm

NY all the way, we need the revenue.
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:57 pm

Prosa makes good points about Washington, but that city's government borders on chaos half the time, and ripe for falling into the kind of payola traps that Salt Lake suffered.

Houston is quite possibly the worst place to hold a summer Olympics, although maybe the concept of being on a world stage would finally convince those pig-headed Texans to get their ass in gear about pollution control.

New York City will need a few years to recover from the massive public money drain the events of last year caused, though 2012 is ten years away...I could see NYC pulling it off.

My vote is for the Bay Area. There are few American cities as beautiful as San Fransisco.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:16 am

Despite New York being the obvious favorite, the massive security concerns might outweigh the positives of having the Olympics held there.

Though I'm a lifelong Washingtonian, I don't want the Olympics here. They're too expensive, cause too much disruption of the local area, and are a massive waste of the area's time and energy. We have absolutely no need for the dozens of facilities that they're proposing to build (including a 100,000-seat Olympic stadium built on the foundations of RFK Stadium), and will not use them post-Olympics if they do get built.

San Francisco would be a very good selection; my money is on New York or San Francisco. But in the end, I think they will lose out to an international city, particularly if Toronto enters the bidding for 2012.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:26 am



Houston, pollution, yea. Don't forget where the 2004 olympics will be held. Or are supposed to be held.
 
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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:54 am

Houston is polluted and named the fattest city. There is some hard hitting reasons why not to have the Olympics there.  Sleepy Oh, and the Enron collapse hurt the city? How would that be?

I would like to see NYC get it to a point. Also, they could easily get anything built that needed to be built. Considering the many stadiums in the imiediate area, not much would need to be built. Despite all this, I am going with Houston. It's a nice city, no more polluted then any other city, expecially foreign, has a great location being on the gulf. Plenty of space and money to get the job done.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:02 am

After the logistical failures at ATL in 1996, I think the IOC should give the US a miss for a generation or so.

Also, with SLC in 2002, the Olympics have had a heavy US flavour lately.

Let's spread the pie around....time for a summer Olympiad in South America or Africa.

Santiago, Rio or Cape Town......would be great O cities.

In short, none of the above US choices.

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Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:12 am

Yeah, let's have the Olympics in Rio. Actually I heard the Crime commity down there was pushing the issue.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:20 am

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Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:24 am

As a part-time NYC resident- I don't think the city can deal with the Olympics- even before the events of last year. I think DC should get the nomination.
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:34 am

After the logistical failures at ATL in 1996, I think the IOC should give the US a miss for a generation or so........time for a summer Olympiad in South America or Africa.

Well, unfortunately for your idea only the US and its western allies have the facilities and can afford to have an Olympics. Even Greece, a so-called full fledged member of the EU is struggling to have Athens set up adequately for the upcoming games there.

Why should a S. American or African country spend money on something as frivolous as sports when their economies are in crisis and, at least for Africa, many of their people are starving?

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Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:23 am

We could have the olympics in memphis or detroit.....ehhehe
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:39 am

I was thinking MEM-fis or DEE-troit, too.
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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:56 pm

ONe- Houston is not the most polluted city, you can check the stats. All Houston did was Pass LA in Ozone only for two years (99, and 2000), Houston has already dropped to 5th on the EPA's list and is falling. For overall Particulate matter it was lower as well.

Two- Houston is very international with 75 Foreign Consulates, and even more trade missions (plus Russia coming soon), the largest Foreign port in the USA, and 8th largest Airport Gateway

Houston already has the venues built for everything, and the light rail being built to connect them, and the Funding ready.

and this 'fattest city' nonsense is BS, Chicago was second fattest (from their list they measured donut shops per capita as a factor-OK????) but is still great. Philly, Detroit and Dallas were also in the Top 5, I find it all nonsense (another seperate Pub had New Orleans and San Antonio at 1 and 2) . Houston also has the most playmates in Playboy history so we do have some hot woman willing to get naked as well  Smile

Houston has constantly ranked as the 4th best Restaurant city in the US (ZAGAT, Wine Spector, etc) Behind San Fran, NYC and Chicago. Also Houstonians eat out more than any other big city, on average 4.6 times a week (maybe they think that makes you fat.....)


Houston has many amenities. The Second Largest DT theatre district outside New York. A very low murder and violent crime rate (check FBI,a nd the state websites you can see the stats). Thankfully NY murder rate is down now as well. 4th Biggest museum district. The Texas Med Center, largest in the World. Houston has a low cost of living unlike the other 3 cities mentioned. Houston has touristy stuff all over Like NASA (Houston was the first word from the moon  Smile ) and the San Jacinto monument----and shopping like the Galleria (largest Galleria in the US) and the Park shops DT

Houston has improved it's traffic index 11 of the last 13 years. with more improvments coming now, plus light rail and a great bus system.

and last, it is the Summer olympics, it is supposed to be Hot (all the venues in those cities will be HOT, with San Fran the 'coolest')

I could go on but will stop now.

Thus my vote goes to Houston, (hell no one thought we would make the first cut but we did  Smile )

I'm not saying the US will win but I hope Houston getst he bid, if for some reason not, then my second vote goes to San Fran


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Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:36 pm

It would be hell if it were in San Francisco... Th elogistics of it are just incomprehendable.
We have 2 bridges and 2 freeways leaving the city.
It isn't enough even on a normal day like today.
They would need to call it SF but actually build the stadium South of San Jose and then just maybe it would work.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:17 pm

Washington DC, broke and inept government !

San Francisco,, ILOVEA340 said it, congestion !

NYC, No reason why not but I think the sympathy factor will fade fast i.e. they will have to work for it !

Houston, is a good candidate re. facilities, communications, etc but it is HOT. Perhaps if the games were in Decvember or January.

In my opinion, if it goes to North America in 2012 it will be Toronto.
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:32 pm

Houston is "hot". Who cares? It is the summer Olympics. They happen in the summer...when it is hot. Funny, in 88 Barcelona was *gasp* hot. Who cares...
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:08 pm

Actually RT, capital spending for an Olympiad usually pays huge dividends in terms of recognition, tailing investment, tourism.

Mexico City, Seoul, Barcelona have all hosted successful O's. You are correct about Athens though.....they are having problems with infrastructure devt.

Crime? I feel safer in Rio than Washington DC. The US has the worst urban crime on the planet.

Besides, ATL was a logistical failure. The US should suffer for that in future O consideration.
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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:37 pm

Yes, SF has only a few freeways leading out of town, but the entire Olympics are not going to be held in the city. Don't forget that SF's bid is a regional bid, and for that we have ample mass transit options and a number of freeway options.

Regional Transit:

BART- Bay Area Rapid Transit, or BART offers high speed rail service to many of the Bay Area's more populated areas. A BART connection to San Jose will be completed by 2010, linking most of the Bay Area.
Caltrain- Caltrain links the communities along the heavily populated Peninsula with heavy rail connections.
Altamont Commuter Express- ACE offers daily services from Moraga/far eastern Bay Area to bay side of the hills.

Local transit:
VTA: Valley Transit Authority links the city of San Jose and surrounding area with an efficient bus and light rail network.
AC Transit: Links all of Alameda County with extensive bus services.
San Francisco Municipal Railway: Covers the city with an extensive bus and light rail service (above and below ground).
Golden Gate Transit: Links the North bay with the City of SF.

Major Ferrys:
Oakland/Alameda Ferry (Oakland to SF)
Golden Gate Ferry (Marin area to SF)
Vallejo Baylink Ferry (Vallejo Area to SF)

In addition to that, Amtrak California offers frequent rail service to Sacramento, with the Sacramento bus and light rail system in place to handle passengers there.

Furthermore, there is an extensive schedule of flights from Northern California to the LA area (which will hold soccer events, if I'm not mistaken).

It's possible and convenient to go anywhere you need to go in the Bay Area without an automobile.
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:50 am

Santiago de Chile, Buenos Aires, Rio, Sao Paulo....all cities in countries with higher PCI than China. All could host a successful O.

Even Havana. China has a worse human rights record than Cuba, so Havana should be considered as well.

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AerLingus

Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:48 am

BART- Its a mess... I have tried to take it a few times and there is not way it could handle an influx of hundred of thousands of people.
Caltrain- While it is getting better these days, It is to selective of a service. Its great if you are going SF to Palo Alto or San Jose but try to get to Stockton or sacramento and your stuck.
I do not know a single foreigner that could figure out muni or Sam Trans. Hell I have lived hee like 16 years and I still don't get it. I know the N train because it leaves from caltrain but after that I know no more. I have tried to take the busses but it is just a mess.
The fact remains that outside of SF there is no way to branch out the people. If your hotel is in the Palo Alto hills or tracy or Santa Rosa how are you going to get to SF... Its not going to be easy. They would need to do a major revamp of public transportation in the SF area and northern California in general to have any chance.
Also Americans like their cars. They will tend to try to drive to SF or wherever. Traffic is bad enough around here w/o an extra 500 thousand people.

anyways... by 2012 I will no longer be living in the Bay Area so personaly I really don't care...
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:13 am

Point taken about it being the summer games KROC but have you ever been to Houston in summer ?

My advice is don't, you wouldn't want to leave the house let alone run a marathon. From March till November the humidity is just overwhelming.
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:31 am

Boston...If the Big Dig is done by then
 
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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:30 am

Hello? Olympics in the US - again? There are 190+ other countries, most of them waiting for their very first Olympic Games.

In comparison, look at the US´s record:

2002 Salt Lake City (awarded because of corruption)
1996 Coca Cola City (organisational blunder)
1984 LA (chauvinism at its best)
1980 Lake Placid (a village not up to staging such an event [a jail instead of an Olympic Village, e.g.])
1976 Denver (cancelled - can you imagine a greater affront for the Olympic community?)

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Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:42 pm

Oh please not San Francisco. The city is beautiful but so over rated.

DC would be cool.

But I think Houston would be great. The city is a gem just waiting to be discovered. It needs something like an Olympics to bring attention to it and give it a place with a purpose.
 
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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:07 pm

To continue from my above posting on Houston and to answer pacjourney's

"Point taken about it being the summer games KROC but have you ever been to Houston in summer ?
My advice is don't, you wouldn't want to leave the house let alone run a marathon. From March till November the humidity is just overwhelming. "

Not really, Atlanta's average Humidity is only a few points lower than Houston's. Orlando's Humidity is worse than HOuston with the same heat, and MILLIONS flock to Disney and otehr parks there in the Summer.

Houston's heat is bad from May until September not march to November as you posted.

Also as we say in Texas "It's a whole other country" and we were. The games would be Texas centric not US centric

"There are 190+ other countries, most of them waiting for their very first Olympic Games. "

Mosto f them not wanting the games or being able to Host them, and the IOC needs to make money, sad but true.

I love Belize but don't want to see the olympics there. I could run off about 100 countries right now as well but will stop for time.

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Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:28 pm

Havana would be a good choice. Eastern time zone. Close to the US.

Good infrastructure. Better human rights record than both USSR and China.

I'm pretty sure Canada & Latin America would support a Havana bid.



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Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:09 pm

The USA doesn't deserve to and shouyld not get it IMO for at least another 50-60 years once many other countries get the chance to. What about eastern europe, Africa, and S. America. These regions have seen few to none. N. America and western europe do not deserve to get tham anymore than say Bulgaria or Vietnam.
The only reason countries like Uganda or tanzania can not get the games in money. However the olympics are not supposed to be about money. They are about the human race in gereral and peace and humans overcoming physical barriers.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:28 pm

I was so embarassed by the constant "USA -USA -USA" chants in SLC this year if we NEVER host another Olympiad I would be thrilled. Having said that, my vote would go to Honolulu, with events throughout the Islands.
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:40 pm

I think it should go to a foreign city, but if it HAD to be in the US for whatever reason, my vote would go to:

Cincinatti

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RE: American Host City In 2012.

Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:17 pm

I think once the embargo against Cuba by the US ends Havana could be a very good choice for a Summer Olympics.

However, it would require a massive rebuilding of José Marti Airport to do that, though.

I still think Houston, TX is a great choice, given that flying to Houston is not a critical issue thanks to IAH. And Houston definitely has most of the facilities needed to hold an Olympics, too.

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