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Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:08 am

I am Italian, but sincerely I'm not proud to be.

Italy has a lot of good things, the history, beautiful cities, food, good taste, styling, a certain way of living, but Italians are arrogant and impolite.

I can't stand the non precision of Italians. We're always late, we don't respect the public roads, we hate to differentiate the garbage.

We don't respect the environment, the laws, the driving rules (especially in the south).

Everybody wants the help of the Government and I think this is really bad and unbeliavable.

If you arrive to AMS or to FRA you'll hear a low level noise, if you go to MXP or FCO you'll hear everybody shouting and you'll get the headache (and then you have to wait a lot of time to have your luggage delivered...).

If you go to Austria, Germany or other European States you'll realize that everything is perfect: trains are on time, people throw the trash in the trash baskets, they're all so polite.

I really think that Austria, Germany, The Netherlands (but also other European States) are the best States in the world. Everything is so perfect. They're really good.
When I want to breathe a good air I go to Munich which is 4,5 driving hours far and it is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen.

As I said I'm not proud to be Italian, but I'm really proud to be European, because I think that Italy has a lot of cons, but one thing is good: it chose to be part of the European Union and I 'm really proud of that.

I love the European Union in general because I think that together we are the best Country in the world.
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:17 am

"I am Italian, but sincerely I'm not proud to be."

"Italians are arrogant and impolite."

I'm 100% Italian and what you said annoys me.

You're labeling a certain ethnic group based on some things you've seen. If you're not proud to be an Italian, then don't tell people you are.

Italians are not arrogant and impolite, I have met a few Italians whom I've though were jerks, but most I have found to be great people who share a lot of common ground with me.

I think your problem is that you're too uptight, you need to go out and live instead of worrying how people are or perceive you.

There is no perfect ethnic group if you're seeking it, all ethnic groups have bad apples, but don't judge their cart based on them.
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:28 am

I didn't say that everything is bad, but it's Italian thinking in general that I don't like.

I like the place where I live, and also people here, I love Lombardia and people in general here are good, but if you consider the whole Italian people I can see that something goes wrong.

What do you think about Italian people?
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:49 pm

I love Italians. Especially the ones from the "old world."

I think you should be proud of your ethnicity. Whether you're Italian, Estonian, Vietnamese, Black American, Jamaican, Scottish, or Colombian, people should always be proud of who they are.

I don't have a problem with your stereotyping your own people, but it really does strike me as odd. Surely of all people, you as an Italian should know that not all Italians are "arrogant", "impolite," or "always late."

Truthfully, I get embarrassed a lot at the behavior of some of my own kind, but I'd NEVER tell anyone that I'm "not proud" of my ethnicity. (I'm actually very proud).
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:44 pm

Well, not at all better than France...
But the country it self is very nice
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:09 pm

What drives you mad about Italy, F.Pier, is what the rest of us love about it.

I saw an Italian comedian on British TV once and he was jokingly asked why it is that Italians don't bother to pay taxes, don't obey the rules of the road and don't bother to obey the law.

His answer was "Why should we?" which sums up everything that is wonderful about Italy. Big grin
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:15 pm

One of the most popular sports in Italy (aside from football) is to denigrate everything is italian (people, behaviors, etc.) and to glorify (almost) everything that comes from abroad (we are the opposite of everybody else in the world...).
People in the north criticize south ones for their behaviors and viceversa; we say our cities are dirty, nobody respects nobody, we get angry when somebody try cheat us, but we fell very smart if we do  Smile. And then, you can always hear someone says: "The Germans are better, the French are better, the American are better. I would like to live in Paris or Barcelona or New York, bla, bla, bla...".
I understand F.pier, 'cos I do it too, and I know that only an Italian could start a topic saying I am Italian but sincerely I'm not proud to be.
In the end, I think that criticize your own country and habits is a good thing (it prevents you from thinking you are the best in the world...), but, after all, I'm proud to be ITALIAN (from north to south)!


P.S.: ...but when you see an Italian in a foreigner country be sure he is wishing for his little house, his habits, his food...
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:49 pm

Turin, is answer is great!!!

I agree!!!

I think my behavior is typically italian because (I'm realizing it now) only an italian can start a topic saying "I'm (nationality) but sincerely I'm not proud to be".

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:03 pm

Nothing or nobody is perfect.

Like all countries, Italy has it's good and bad points.

Like all societies, there are good and bad people in Italy.

Like all tourism destinations, Italy has it's admirers and critics.

I would'nt worry too much about it if I were you.Italy is a much loved nation as it is.
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:13 pm

Hey, Pierangelo, don't be so pessimistic - and so Italian!! (Or have you just had a long flight on Alitalia?? - only joking - or am I??)
I used to live in Melbourne (Australia) and thought it was provincial, small, and all that other stuff. But one day, when I was about 19, I flew back into my home town from a trip to the UK, and nearly cried when I looked out of the plane window and saw beautiful Melbourne stretched out below me.
Sometimes we need a different perspective when we look at where we come from. I love Italy as a whole, but there are parts that really irritate and frustrate me. Your beer is awful, and your wine isn't much better. Your culture is awe-inspiring probably unsurpassed for beauty and romance, and your history is, well, unique. But the best (and worst) part of Italy is its people. They can be ill-mannered and contemptuous at times, but they can also be wonderfully alive, welcoming, happy and friendly. There is no smile in the world like an Italian smile. Be a little bit proud!! You have plenty of reason to be!
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:28 pm

one day, when I was about 19, I flew back into my home town from a trip to the UK

Not possible in 1902.

You mean when you sailed in on the 6 masted sloop after the 8 month voyage?

kind regards,

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:41 pm

Bill, I agree with you we need a different perspective to give a more precise and objective judgment on what is so close to our everyday life, like our country, but, please, let me disagree on one (two) point: we have few good beers, but they are very, very good (Menabrea beer won the title of best beer in the world for al least two years), and about wine, well... there's nothing to say but italian wine is by far the best in the world (close second comes the French wine, in my opinion).

Take a trip in Piedmont and Tuscany, taste Barolo, Brunello, Barbera or Chianti (just to name a few) and you'll change your mind!  Smile



P.S.: everybody got his personal taste, I know...

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:43 pm

I'm 25% Italian. My Brazilian grandmother was full Italian, and there are plently Italians in my part of Brazil. I'm definately proud to have Italian in me. My grandmother's father was weird. From stories they told me, the guy only drank wine and was "allergic to water." He would also up and go to Italy from Brazil with a five minute warning, he'd leave without you if you didn't decide. One time, his whole family was at the dinner table arguing with each other and he ripped the tablecloth off, breaking everything that was on the table.

Speaking of arguing, one thing that amuses me is how Italians will have a conversation and not listen to a word the other person is saying. They'll talk right up in each other faces almost shouting at each other using their hands a lot and not know what the other person is saying. Probably explains why Italy get a brand new government almost every year.

RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:17 am

I have been to Italy many times (Rome, Florence, Milan, Venice, and Sicily) and I have to say that I find Italians among the most delightful, fun loving people in Europe.
I don't mean to generalize here, but after visiting almost every country in Europe, I'm afraid I am rather biased when it comes to those wonderful, unique, and passionate Italianos!!

They have an absolute zest for life that is infectuous.
Yes, Rome and Milan are crazy fast paced cities (wonderful!!). Yes, the Italians are extremely expressive and proud people, and this is what I love about them. Amore! Amore! Italians, overall, prioritize family and friends above anything else, and what the hell is wrong with that? Good friends, good food, good wine, good conversation. Their passion for life and charm (overall) is something North America could use more than a bit of. They "work to LIVE", as opposed to North Americans who "live to work". DOLCE VITA!!!!!!
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:34 am

Italy is great! The people make the country fantastic. Trust me, when you live in a big city like London (as I do) where everybody is miserable and would sell their own grandmother, goint to Italy (especially the south) is a great escape. You have fine food, great wines, nice weather (okay so your football teams aren't very good any more but life is never perfect! Big grin). Forza Italia! Big grin
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:20 am

Thank you guys.

I think it's quite important hearing these opinions from people who don't live in Italy.

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:27 am

I love italy, its mediterannean culture, people, and hot ladies! mamma mia ! especially palermo, i love that place !

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:23 am

Pierangelo, come to America. We love Italians.
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 12:29 pm

I've been to Italy twice and I liked it there. You should be proud of your ethnicity. So what if things are different in different countries.

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This joke must be read in an Italian accent

One day ima gonna Malta to bigga hotel. Ina morning I go to eat breakfast. I tella waitress I wanna two pissis toast. She brings me only one piss. I yella her I want to piss. She says go to the toilet. I say you no understand. I wanna to piss onna my plate. She say you better not piss onna plate, you sonna ma bitch.

Later I go to eat at the big reataurant. The waitress brings me a spoon and a knife but no fock. I tella her I wanna fock. She tella me everyone wanna fock. I tella her you no understand. I wanna fock on the table. She say better not fock on the table, you sonna ma bitch. I don't even know the lady and she calla me sonna ma bitch.

So I go to my room inna hotel and there is no sheit onna my bed. I calla the manager and tella him I wanna sheit. He tella me to go to the toilet. I say you no understand. I wanna sheit onna my bed. He say you better not sheit onna bed, you sonna ma bitch. I don't even know the man and he calla me a sonna ma bitch.

I go to the checkout and the man at the desk say, say "Peace on you." I say piss on you too, you sonna ma bitch. I gonna back to Italy.

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:39 pm

F. Pier,

I was sorry to read your post. I just returned from my first trip to Italy 2 weeks ago and I am totally in love with your country.

A lot of what you said I found to the contrary. I found a country where the people are so passionate about their culture. The people were also the warmest I had encountered throughout Europe. Never shy to smile and a sincere warmth. My final night there, I had dinner in Milan and had a waiter who did not speak a word of English. I couldn't have been more pleased at his eagerness to communicate with me and make sure I had a good dinner.

True, the trains were a little slow and at times dirty and when I got to London to change planes I had to go to a different line when I told them I had come from Italy, apparently they didn't trust the security in Britain. But all those pale in comparison to the people. Any culture that prides itself on respect, family and values should be commended! I love America, but have returned with such a different view.

I can't wait to get back to Italy and am actively planning my return!!
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:12 pm

One day an Italian nun is looking through an American newspaper and reads an interesting headline. She tears it out and keeps it in her pocket. One day, the old nun dies and goes to heaven. She arrives at the Gates of Heaven and St. Peter says, "Sister, you've lived a devoted, holy life. We have decided to allow you to go back to Earth and live your life as any one you choose." The nun thinks about it, and in her thick Italian accent she responded, "I want to be Virginia Pippilini!" St. Peter looks at his book and says that there is no one by that name in his book. She says that's not possible and hands him the headline she ripped out from her newpaper. It reads: Virginia Pipeline Laid By 500 Men  Laugh out loud

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Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:15 pm

LOL I nearly fell out of my chair... (its broken)

I like Italia and have been there about 3 times. Mostly in the north. It is a very nice country and compared to Switzerland (where I am from) it is a very cheap country. Switzerland does however retain its spot in my heart as number one. I taly and be tied for second with Germany and Liechtenstein (austria comes in a close third)
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RE: Italy: Opinions

Sat Apr 20, 2002 12:08 am

I'm the tipical Italian who uses to be always late, shutting everywhere, too much talkative, bad driver, I'm waiting always the last minute to do everything and I'm not worried if something goes wrong cause there is always a second solution....

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Sat Apr 20, 2002 12:27 am

I too love Italy. It has a unique vibrant culture than cannot be reproduced. So what, if it is different from the rest of Europe, that is what makes it Italy. My only complaint about the country was the Rome subway, which was utterly disgusting.

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RE: Italy: Opinions

Sat Apr 20, 2002 12:33 am

I'm italian and truly love my country. Italy has its own culture that is like no other. I think that most italians feel very patriotic.

Italy is sort of parted: north- and south Italy. Many nothern italians are ashamed of southern Italy as if it would be an independent country, souhern Italy would be one of the poorest countries in europe while northern Italy would be one of the richest.


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