ly772
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Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:36 pm

Maccabi "Elite" Tel Aviv in Basketball defeated Tau Vitoria (of Spain) 94-65, passing the needed 5 point win that Maccabi needed. The atmosphere was bad in Spain, as Israeli flags were stepped on and ripped apart, as well as Palestinian flags being waved. Pictures of Yasser Arafat were hung around the stadium by the fans.

in another story...

The Israeli National Team and the Danish National Team (soccer) played a friendly that the Danes took 3-1. The game was stopped 3 times because of young Danes that jumped to the field and attempted to attack the Israeli players. They had pictures of arafats and had flags of the PA taped to them. This was on the field. Outside of the field, 200+ were arrested after the "protest' became out of control.

I honestly don't want to start a flaming thread. But I think that this behavior is discusting. Maccabi Tel Aviv basketballer Hussein Beshoq of Turkey said that he doesn't understand "the lunatics who do this". Nearly 2 weeks ago, a Turkish team refused to come to Israel and play basketball in Tel Aviv (mind you, not in Jenin or something) and Hussein Beshoq tried to tell them that it's okay but they said "no" and didn't come.

Anyways, this is a sports thread, not politics. I just hate this behavior. When Cheslea came to Israel, the Israeli fans didn't burn Chelsea shirts because it said "Fly Emirates" or something.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:03 pm

"I honestly don't want to start a flaming thread."

Don't you think it is a bit unwise to say that Danes and Spaniards hate Israel, then.
161 people were arrested in Copenhagen, most of them with Palestinian backgrounds, and the majority of them because they refused to leave the area when police told them to.

"The game was stopped 3 times because of young Danes that jumped to the field and attempted to attack the Israeli players."

What is your source? I haven't heard the part about attacking the Israeli players before.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:25 pm

Not least due to the israeli occupation, there are quite a few palestinian immigrants in many european countries. I´ve not yet seen violent protests by non-palestinian europeans.

And as inappropriate as these antics were, they aren´t really hard to understand right now. I hope we´ll see a solution to the conflict soon.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 4:30 am

What is your source? I haven't heard the part about attacking the Israeli players before

It's called television. I watched the game, and young danes jumped on the field and attempted to attack the players.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Relate

Sat Apr 20, 2002 4:44 am

Well its sports. This type of thing happens all the time. Fans get out of control. For example did you hear about the soccer player's father the killed another out of anger? How about the American football game when beer cans was tossed at the players. European soccer riots.
Happens more often then you think. People just get too emotional.

Because French people burn British flags after a match in Londen, doesn't mean they hate each other
or do they? We may never know. Big grin


I honestly don't want to start a flaming thread

Its not a flaming thread at all.  Big thumbs up

You should see the sport related violence here in the US
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:25 am

Actually Chelsea removed the Emirate logo because EK didn't want their name associated with Israel apparently (very petty, but that's politics).

Either way, blaming sportsmen and women is stupid. Sport is for fun, not politics
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:41 am

"I watched the game, and young danes jumped on the field and attempted to attack the players."

That is your conclusion. Apparently Danish police has another view on this. Nothing has been mentioned about wanting to attack the players.
You are basically completely wrong. I watched the game too. None of these people wanted to attack the players.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:13 am

Sport related violence in the U.S.?

The worst thing I've seen is beer bottles being thrown and boxers biting ears off their opponents!!

Outside the sports arena though, many professional athletes have some serious lack of ethics and morals.
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:06 pm

Are you blind, NIK?
I watched the game?
I don't think those 20 year old blonde guys are Palestinians.
You didn't see them run on the field and try to run into players (while they had little PA flags on them)???
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:37 pm

LY772,
what exactly is it you want? To picture Israel as the innocent little country that everybody hates?
Two idiots who had had a little too much to drink ran into the field after Denmark scored. It has happened before and will happen again. There is no way you can prove that these people wanted to attack anybody.
Didn't you notice that while the Israeli national anthem was played there was NO shouting and no booing; people were actually applauding the Israeli players.
Do you really think it is fair to judge 5,3 million people because of what 2 of them (according to you) have done?
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:45 pm

It's yet another example of the revulsion the civilised world feels about the treatment of Palestinians by the neo-Fascist Sharon regime. Do you really think we would just sit back and take it? Perhaps the Americans (thanks to their Jewish lobby) won't do a lot but Europe is prepared to act.

And not before time, either!!  Pissed
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 2:38 am

Do you really think it is fair to judge 5,3 million people because of what 2 of them (according to you) have done?

No, I don't really. That's why am I asking you (as stated in the title of this post).
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 5:05 am

"No, I don't really. That's why am I asking you (as stated in the title of this post)."

So what do you want me to answer? Are you surprised that the Palestinians in Denmark demonstrate against Israel?
Does it matter if two blond Danes hate Israel? Have you not noticed that a lot of people around the world disagree with what Israel is doing? Do you think it's personal?
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 6:53 am

It's yet another example of the revulsion the civilised world feels about the treatment of Palestinians by the neo-Fascist Sharon regime. Do you really think we would just sit back and take it? Perhaps the Americans (thanks to their Jewish lobby) won't do a lot but Europe is prepared to act.

Oh spare me the crap. "prepared to act"?? Taping Yassir Arafats likeness to a tee-shirt is being "prepared to act"! Waving Palestinian flags for sport is "prepared to act" as if all of these mature responsible decisions by "Europe" are going to bring peace to the region!?!

Europe "prepared to act"??? When has Europe ever been "prepared to act" without the US "acting" first??

Your so full of it afrineil. (get it? africargo? haha)

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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 6:59 am

"Europe "prepared to act"??? When has Europe ever been "prepared to act" without the US "acting" first??"

I think the real question here is: When has FOX News ever reported that the EU has reacted without the US reacting first?

Just because you conveniently haven't heard about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened!
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:19 am

When has FOX News ever reported that the EU has reacted without the US reacting first?

yeah I don't watch FOX news.

Just because you conveniently haven't heard about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened!

Fill us in then pal.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:30 am

"Fill us in then pal."

Your attitude is arrogant. The Europeans are basically retards, right?
And if you honestly think I'm going to spend my entire Saturday night finding links for you, you are wrong: Do it yourself.
 
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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:32 am

The Europeans are basically retards, right?

Nope, just cowardly and hypocritical.

And if you honestly think I'm going to spend my entire Saturday night finding links for you, you are wrong: Do it yourself.

Way to support your convictions!

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RE: Danes, Spaniards Hate Israelis? (Sports Related!)

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:37 am

"Nope, just cowardly and hypocritical."

I think you know what I think about statements like these. For the sake of peace on this forum I'm not going to go further in this discussion.

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