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Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:56 pm

Today one 18/20-year old student in his final grade has killed 17 others, most of them teachers in a high school in Erfurt, Germany. Apparently he was dressed as a Ninja-Figher...

A very sad day for all of us... my thought are with the vicitms and their families. I hope they know realize the danger of horror movies such as "Scream" which really give a manual for this kind of deed...

BTW, why has Racko´s post about this subject been removed?

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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:05 am

Just heard about it
What a tragedy
18 killed...14 students, 3 teachers, 1 police officer
Looked alot like Columbine on TV
What a tragedy...
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:08 am

My thoughts and prayers are with the people that lost a loved one in this tragedy.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:24 am

The shooter was a 19-year-old ex-student who had been expelled earlier. He finally took his own life when the police closed in on him.

This is terribly sad.  Sad
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:29 am

Scratch what I said... its 13 adults, 3 students, and a police officer.
News channels here aren't even covering it.
This is sick. Still searching for a second gunman, if there is one.
This is sick.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:30 am

This reminds me of the Springfield shooting that happened back in '98. The gunman had been expelled the day before for having a gun at school.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:43 am

I'm still shocked something like that could happen here in Germany. I thought this could happen only in countries with not so strict weapon laws like the USA.
I still remember how shocked I was when i saw littleton on TV, and i had thought about something like that happening

And I can't understand how a human can decide to kill so many people  Sad It seems like he had failed his Abitur-exams twice and this could be a reason. A former pupil of the school told n-tv that he wanted to go to university, but he couldn't go there without an Abitur.

He killed 14 teachers, 2 pupils, 1 policeman (he arrived as first police officer at the school and did not know what was really going on there. He was killed by the gunman when he entered the school.) and himself(the best thing he did in his life...).

I think everything happened very fast, there was no chance(for the police) to prevent the horror. By the time the SEK (special forces) and later the GSG-9 (very special forces) arrived the massacre had already been made.

A Coincidence: Today, the parliament has decided for a new, even stricter weapon law. The parties who decided against it should about that...

At the moment the Otto Schilly is speaking live on all channels. He has already mentioned Horror films and very violent video games!

Flying-Tiger, thanks to the moderators, they're great. Posting an article with a copyright notice is allowed in all forums i can think of. Nobody cared about it here until our new GREAT moderators arrived. And it's a very bad attitude to delete a post about such a serious topic because of such a minor "mistake". Sorry, but this is just the next step in a row of questionable moderator decisions... But please discuss about this in another topic.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:07 am

Another coincidence, it's almost a week since (Last saturday, April 20th) the 3 year anniversary of the Columbine High School shootings.


It seems like he had failed his Abitur-exams twice and this could be a reason.

I don't think so, this individual had several things going against him, not one single thing makes a person do a thing like this. Or he was mentally ill in some way, we'll probably know more about this in the days to come.

Again, my prayers are with the people affected by this tragedy. May people start learning from these school shootings and make a change. This has been going on throughout the 90's (before to but it really has culminated during the 90's) and it get's just worse and worse. Last year, the first incident where a student was killed by a gunshot happened here in Sweden. Like i said, this is going in the wrong direction and it seems to be happening everywhere now. I must say that i was suprised that this happened in germany, this used to be a "US problem".
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:16 am

I think I'm going to be sick  Sad
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:16 am

>>I thought this could happen only in countries with not so strict weapon laws like the USA.<<

I know, the only violence in the world happens in the USA...
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:28 am

PanAm747, no need to be sarcastic, you know what he is talking about. The amount of guns in the US compared to Europe is overwhelming.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:51 am

The shooter had a pump-gun and at least one other firearm. It´s not yet clear where he got them from.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:14 am

N-TV.de said he had a pistol too...
Its really sick...
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:14 am

Any word on if there was a second shooter?
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:51 am

Many pupils say they have seen a second one. He could have left the school together with 200 other pupils who were evacuated by the police
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 4:58 am

I feel terribily sad about what happened today.....and besides that it's also terribilly sick......

my thoughts go out to the victims and their relatives and all the people in Germany who must be in a real schock at the moment......

now I realize how lucky those students in southern Holland where when a guy opened the fire a few years ago in a school.........

I just don't understand why some people are so damn sick to do things like this....... Angry
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:22 am

I just don't understand why some people are so damn sick to do things like this.......

i wish it was that easy. But there's more to it than that, this is my personal oppinion, but i believe that a normal (whatever that is) guy can be pushed to a certain degree where he will finally call it a day and pull of something like this. I don't know anything about this particular case yet, it might very well be that this individual had mental issues as you say but it isn't a must. If we wan't these godamn school shootings to stop we need to look deeper than to just say that people that do these kind of things are "sick". Because most of them actually are not. Please at a time like this, try not to label people as "sick" or "freaks" or whatever before you know what they were going through. Of curse nothing justifies killing innocent kids and teachers, absolutely not, but just try to see beneath the surface.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:25 am

Kids in Europe or Asia are just as likely to suffer from peer pressure to be accepted, parental/society/school faculty pressure to go to College as students in the US or Canada.

It's just as someone mentioned access to guns in the US and Canada is much easier than in Europe, that by no way means there's less violence in European schools. On the contrary Im sure the bullying and teasing of somekids is just as bad, if not worse in some European schools especially considering the diversity of cultures.

Kids get picked on and beat up in European schools just as much as American kids, it's just that in circumstances such as Columbine or this most recent example in Germany these kids explode outward in rage while others implode upon themselves in ways people often don't know about.

If you want things like this not to happen, the best way is to confront a culture that looks down on kids who don't go to college as "failures" or kids that don't conform to other kids as "freaks".
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:01 am

On the contrary Im sure the bullying and teasing of somekids is just as bad, if not worse in some European schools especially considering the diversity of cultures.

Iv'e never been in a US High School but what iv'e heard (Whatever that's worth) it seems like there's much more teasing and bullying going on there. Iv'e seen some severe bullying from 4-9 grades during my "school life" in lack of another word. The difference though it seems to me, is that while kids start High School in the US which is as i understood it built up just as any other school you've been to before that, kids in europe (i asume it's roughly the same all over europe as it is here in sweden) start something called the Gymnasium. To me it seems like the European Gymnasium and the US High School differs alot. In Gymnasium you get to read the subjects that you yourself as a student choose (to a certain degree of course). For example i'm finishing my last year as a Electrician,and after school i'll be able to get a job as a electrican or enroll in college. And now, correct me if im wrong, but the picture iv'e gotten of the US High School is that you continue with the same stuff that you did before high school. Meaning that there's a lot more students feeling that they are doing something that they hate but have to do (as opposed to the european gymnasium where you read what interests you and you are in a class with people with the same interest as you). I think there's virtually zero bullying in my school where i'm right now and i haven't heard of other swedish gymnasiums with big bullying issues either. But as i said the grades before gymnasium is a whole different story. Therefore i believe that the difference might be in the stuff you read and the people you have around you. Just my $0.02.


If you want things like this not to happen, the best way is to confront a culture that looks down on kids who don't go to college as "failures" or kids that don't conform to other kids as "freaks".

I agree to 110%.
 
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RE: Massacre In German School At Erfurt

Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:16 am

How awful!

My sympathy to our German friends and the family/friends/acquaintences of the victims in this horrific attack :-(





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