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No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:54 pm

JERUSALEM — Israel has relayed evidence to the European Union that its aid to the Palestinian Authority is being diverted to finance insurgency attacks.

Israeli officials said the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has sent captured PA documents on the Palestinian use of EU aid.

Over the last year, the EU has provided more than $70 million to the PA to pay salaries of members of the more than 100,000 Palestinian civil servants. The EU aid has earmarked for paying the salaries of Palestinian police officers, Middle East Newsline reported.




Israeli officials said the Sharon government sent a report to Brussels that details PA use of EU funding. The report asserts that the PA pays 20 percent less to its officers than reported to the EU. The difference is pocketed by the PA.
PA officers are said to earn between $250 and $500 a month, officials said. But their salaries are paid in Israeli currency and based on an exchange rate that amounts to 3.6 shekels to the dollar. The actual conversion rate is close to five shekels per dollar.

The result is that the PA earns $2.5 million a month from the EU aid, which it then uses to fund insurgents, the report said. Officials said a similar report was presented to the United States.

PA officials acknowledged the discrepancy in exchange rates but said the practice is used to maintain a cap on public sector salaries.

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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:58 pm

Hmmm, that's a really well thought out post  Big grin. I mean, the Palestinians could just as easily say they don't trust the USA because off the fact that the tax dollars it sends to Israel are being used to fund attacks on Palestinians! This thread deserves a big doh for stupidity......
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 12:10 am

Ryan, why is it, when ANYTHING surfaces that might be contrary to holding your beautiful Palestinians in lofty esteem, you attack the individual that brings the information here? If you don't think such secnario is possible, then you're beyond reasoning with.
 
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 12:21 am

Look, the post was so stupid and biased it's untrue. Plus, regardless of what you might believe I would consider myself to be reasonably impartial in this area. I have never criticised Israel (only Israeli POLICIES) and likewise I have never defended Palestinian terrorism (only those suffering). At the end of the day, any reasonably intelligent observer will recognise that both Sharon and Arafat are scumbags who are against peace. That much is surely clear.

What angers me more than anything in these forums is the moronic stereotyping ('all Israelis are Zionist fascists' or 'all Palestinians are terrorists'). I will agree that you and I have had differences of opinion in these forums, but at least credit me for not becoming a political sheep which so many people seem to be.
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 1:38 am

Hmmm, even if the entire US$70m provided by the EU went on weapons, how much of an impact do you think that would make against the US$4.55 billion provided by the US government to prop up the fascist Sharon regime - most of it spent on weapons?
 
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 2:01 am

I'ts not a regime: it can be voted out whenever.

It's not fascist: Israel has universal suffrage at 18 years old.

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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 5:09 am

Um, Ceilidh, why do you keep quoting completely different US aid to Israel figures in every thread? They seem to be constantly going up, farther away from the real figure of about 2 bils.  Insane

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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 5:31 am

The figure of American aid to Israel goes go up and down. Agence France says its approximately $3 billion a year, while Jimmy Carter says in the same article that its about $10 million a day.

Jimmy Carter went on to say that he deplored the suicide bombings and Arafat's lack of dedication to peace. Furthermore, he said aid to Israel should be cut or reduced.

Jimmy Carter said [of Sharon]:

"...his rejection of all peace agreements that included Israeli withdrawal from Arab lands, his invasion of Lebanon, his provocative visit to the Temple Mount, the destruction of villages and homes, the arrests of thousands of Palestinians and his open defiance of President George W. Bush's demand that he comply with international law have all been orchestrated to accomplish his ultimate goals: to establish Israeli settlements as widely as possible throughout occupied territories and to deny Palestinians a cohesive political existence..."

---Agence France Presse April 21, 2002 Sunday


The Israeli government is rightfully called a 'regime'. The word 'regime' simply means any form of government. See http://www.merriamwebster.com

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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 5:39 am

Russell - fascism has nothing to do with voting: both Mussolini and Hitler were elected! It simply means an extreme right wing nationalist government, which Sharon's regime certainly is. Nor am I sure where you get your definition of regime as being a government that can't be voted out - it's real definition is as follows:

Type of Regime

(1) Civilian. Any government controlled by a nonmilitary component of the nation's population.

(2) Military-Civilian. Outwardly civilian government effectively controlled by a military elite. Civilians hold only those posts (up to and including that of Chief of State) for which their services are deemed necessary for successful conduct of government operations. An example would be retention of the Emperor and selected civilian cabinet members during the period of Japanese military hegemony between 1932 and 1945.

(3) Military. Direct rule by the military, usually (but not necessarily) following a military coup d'état. The governing structure may vary from utilization of the military chain of command under conditions of martial law to the institution of an ad hoc administrative hierarchy with at least an upper echelon staffed by military personnel.

(4) Other. All regimes not falling into one or another of the foregoing categories, including instances in which a country, save for reasons of exogenous influence, lacks an effective national government. An example of the latter would be Switzerland between 1815 and 1848.

LY744 - the figure I gave was the latest figure as mentioned last weekend on Face The Press. The US contribution hasn't been as low as US$2bn for well over a decade!  Big grin
 
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 5:57 am

Definition of fascism: describes most Israeli governments (including the Sharon regime) to a 'T'! Big grin

Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.
 
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 7:17 am

I think you're sick SAS. Call my country facist, and I'll call you sick.
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 7:30 am

Tbar220 - call me whatever you like, but it doesn't alter the facts.
 
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RE: No Wonder Israel Wont Trust The UN & EU

Wed May 01, 2002 7:33 am

These aren't facts, these are just your biased opinions.
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