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Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:30 pm

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  • Both have/had a bloodthirsty leader
  • Both forcefully took new territories that were not theirs.
  • Both have killed millions of a specific ethnic group. Jews for Hitler, Palestinians for Sharon.

    Ironic how Israel has become just like those that persecuted their people fifty years ago.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:32 pm

Oh boy, I hope some "moderator" deletes this ass monkey right away. This is probably the worst post I have ever seen on this forum. Shame on you.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:33 pm

But it's true! Am I the only one to see that.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:33 pm

You should definitely be deleted, when a moderator deletes a post, it means that it stays off. This is not funny.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:35 pm

This user deserves to be deleted. It's obvious he's just trying to rile up things on here. How many times does his idiotic thread have to be deleted before he gets the message?
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:37 pm

Well stated Cba. Unfortunately that this isn't so obvious to people. The Israelis are using the holocaust as an excuse to impose a holocaust of the Palestinians. Apartheid, Holocaust, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same. Oh well........

This thread isn't going to last too long for sure however.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:39 pm

This thread isn't going to last too long for sure however.

Why should it? It was already deleted once before. But Cba, adding his name to the Israeli-haters on the forum, has to keep asking for it, doesn't he?
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:40 pm

Oh yeah, before all of you flame me (before this thread gets deleted again, i didnt even know it was deleted before), just remember I am entitled to my opinion. Alpha 1, a verbal attack from you is inevitable, so I'll just tune that out.


-A very tired FSP (Anyone taking the SAT's or SAT II's this Saturday?)
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:42 pm

I am not an "Israel hater". I am simply condeming their actions toward Palestine! They are terribly wrong, using F16s and Apaches to attack civillians!
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:42 pm

And I'm entitled to mine, FS, so giving me grief over it is just hypocritical on your part.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:43 pm

Alpha 1, apologies for my post, I didn't mean to attack you first! I just expected an attack from you. anyways, define Israeli-hater? If your implying anti-semetism, then I can't comment for Cba, but I don't think anyone here is an Israeli-hater. The correct term should be: Anti-Occupationist  Big grin

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:43 pm

Cba has made a VERY valid point folks, as much as you don't want to believe it.

What the Israeli's have done to the Palestinians since 1948 is almost as bad as the Holocaust except without the gas chambers and concentration camps.

Although the conditions the Palestinians are living in are close enough to a concentration camp......

If Sharon could, he'd wipe out every single Palestinian on this planet. If he could, he'd takeover all of the Middle East to create what is called "Greater Israel".

On a side note, for every Israeli soldier killed, 10 Palestinian civilians are slaughtered on there homeland......
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:45 pm

I am not an "Israel hater". I am simply condeming their actions toward Palestine! They are terribly wrong, using F16s and Apaches to attack civillians!

And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings, cba? What about those? Without those, you have nothing to condemn Israel with do you? Why don't you damn up and down those murderers who started this nonsense back in March? What about the Palestinian actions? Condemn them for once? Or does that blow the image you're trying to pull up here?
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:47 pm

Alpha, no one here supports the suicide bombers, and neither does BA. I for one condemn killings of any children. But in the same respect, before you ask BA to question his opinions, take the time to ask yourself if you ever condemn isreal for their brutal acts of terrorism (and don't deny them)

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:48 pm

They are terribly wrong, using F16s and Apaches to attack civillians!

Would you have preffered Israel flattened Jenin into a parking lot like the Syrians did?

This post upsets me a lot, simply because it stems from lack of knowledge and thats what causes racism.

The Israelis took tremendous precautions in Jenin to avoid civilian deaths, moving slowly and precisely with ground troops to achieve their stated aim of destroying a terrorist infrastructure in a United Nations administered camp. The Israelis could simply have flattened with their air force. Fighter jets were never used against Jenin. Israel could simply have flattened it with their artillery. Artillery was never used against Jenin.

I will not vote for deletion becuase I don't believe in censure, but this thread is putrid.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:49 pm

oops, i thought your post was directed at BA, it was actually directed to Cba. my mistake..
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:49 pm

I do condemn the suicide bombers. However, Palestine is clearly an underdog. They use suicide bombers because that is all they have! Israel is coming at them with brand new tanks and helicopters, while Palestine has nothing!
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:51 pm

Why is this thread still around?!? It was already deleted once, since when can users just repost a thread that was deleted and get away with it? I'm a little upset by this.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:51 pm

I do deny it FSPilot747-defending one's country against repeated attack, as Israel as done, is not terrorism. If you think it is, you're the one with a problem with the definition of the word.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:51 pm

Cba, why don't you ask him where Israel gets all the money for their shiny new tanks... Yeah sure Ask him where the money comes from. 80 billion of our tax dollars as a matter of fact.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:54 pm

80 billion of our tax dollars as a matter of fact.

Jesus H. Christ, you certianly know how to inflate numbers for the dramatic, don't you. Try $3 billion a year.

And guess where the Palestinians are getting the funding for the suicide bombings? Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq. You know, all those wonderful, peace-loving Arab nations who have tried, as we all know, for 50 years to make peace with Israel, right?

And why in the hell is this thread still here, for God's sake. This is shameful.

 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:57 pm

3 billion a year yes, about. So far 80 billion. Not too difficult Alpha.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:57 pm

Alpha 1,

And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings, cba?

One question for you. You know how New York City has areas (such as Harlem) with poverty and misery. What else do those areas have? High-crime rate. The high-crime rate is as a result from the poverty and the misery of the people.

Similar situation in Israel. Now I hate killing of any kind from any side. Like I said in several of my posts, I want to live in a world full of peace where there is no need for a weapon, tanks, missles, bombs, or any of man's creations that kill and destroy.

The Palestinians are miserable. They've been miserable for the past 60 years living under occupation and oppression.

The Israeli's have not offered a deal to the Palestinians that is NEAR fair enough. Think of America before 1776. The colonists were trying to free themselves from British control. We fought a war to have that.

Palestinians are fighting a war by unfortunately targetting civilians (which is bad). They are angry, so they let out all there anger at once by strapping a bomb to themselves and blowing themselves up infront of civilians.

However do not say that the Israeli's are the only victims. Each day the Palestinians suffer MUCH worse pain and violence than the Israeli's do every day. Not only that, but Israel uses F-16s, and Apache helicopters against civilian targets. They force people out of there homes, and buldoze them down.

Have you seen what's happened to Jenin? It's been basically destroyed. There are very few buildings standing like they were before the Israeli attack.

Have you ever seen Palestinians destroy an entire city? I don't think so.

My post is not justifying violent actions from the Palestinian side. My post is showing you that the Palestinians suffer 10 times more than the Israeli civilian's do each day.

So don't tell me "And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings". You're making it sound as if the Israeli's are the only victims and the Palestinian's aren't suffering a bit.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:57 pm

It got deleted once for obvious reasons, and then the exact same thing was posted again. This is ridiculous.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:58 pm

BA,

Have you seen what happened in Jenin? You sure can't make a claim like that.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 12:58 pm

The sick thing is, the USA gives its newest weapons to Israel so they can be tested out before the USA has to use them in battle. The Russians did the same thing with the Syrians when they attempted to invade Israel.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:01 pm

I do deny it FSPilot747-defending one's country against repeated attack, as Israel as done, is not terrorism.

Oh really Alpha 1? Israel slaughtering Palestinian civilians everyday is not terrorism? You call that defense? You call Israel trespassing into the little land the Palestinian's have with tanks, planes, helicopters, troops, demolishing homes, cars, and entire cities is defense? So are you saying the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor was defense?

You disgust me.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:02 pm

Alright would you folks stop crying about how this thread should be deleted. It's already been said, it'll be gone soon.

Anyways, you know what we could have done with 80 billion dollars? Instead of sending it to arm and equip an apartheid nation, we could have used it to clean up our city's, build some parks, IMPROVE LAX. I mean, America would do ANYTHING during the cold war to stop communism, including funding tons of money to nations who were fighting it. Now, we are giving all of our hard earned tax dollars to Israel. Why? Why do we have to babysit them. It's not even a nation, sheesh, its a 51st state.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:02 pm

You know how New York City has areas (such as Harlem) with poverty and misery. What else do those areas have? High-crime rate. The high-crime rate is as a result from the poverty and the misery of the people.


Do you see people in Harlem strapping bombs onto themselves and blowing up people in Yonkers, The Bronx, Brooklyn? Don't insult my intelligence. This has nothing to do with a "high crime rate". That's a pathetic attempt at apologizing for and rationalizing murderous activities.

The Israeli's have not offered a deal to the Palestinians that is NEAR fair enough.

And the Palestinians/Arabs have never offered ANY DEAL.

My post is not justifying violent actions from the Palestinian side. My post is showing you that the Palestinians suffer 10 times more than the Israeli civilian's do each day.

Sure it is-you're just too damned blind ot see it. And is a Palestinian living under occupation suffering 10 times more than a Jew being blown up in a market? You tell me?
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:03 pm

It's not quite $ 80 billion.

However, I've remained silent on this but here's my stance.

I don't give two shits about Israelis, I don't give two shits about Palestinians. So long as Arafat and Sharon are in their "my penis is larger than your's" mode, I don't care about either group.

As sad as it would be, if both groups killed each other into extinction tomorrow I really wouldn't care, because we can go back and forth about how the Israelis are killing innocent civilians with their army and the Palestinians are killing civilians through bombings, and who's right and who's wrong, but what's it going to solve? Tomorrow, people will die in that region, and until someone steps up to the plate and tries to make peace, I've washed my hands clean of Israel and of Palestine. No drop it for Christ's sake!

Good night!

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:04 pm

Tbar220,

The city is practically destroyed. From an air view, it looks like Berlin after a bombing in World War II. Debris all over with a few buildings still standing.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:04 pm

Okay, enough is enough. If this one isn't flamebait, I don't know what is.

Friendly advice: when a thread is deleted or locked, it's generally not a good idea to start another thread with the exact same message.
 
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RE: Indeed Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:04 pm

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" -- Motto of Israel's Mossad

very frightening
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:06 pm

BA,

How have you seen images? From the media? You've got to be kidding me.

Advancedkid,

This should be the motto of every countries secret service agency. How do you want them to do their "war"? You want the CIA to do its operations out in the open and publicize them? Think about what you said for a second.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:07 pm

Oh really Alpha 1? Israel slaughtering Palestinian civilians everyday is not terrorism?

Where is this "slaughter" you so indignantly refer to? In Jenin? More and more, that's looking like a piece of Arab propoganda of the worst sort? Is it a slaughter when the Palestinians are carrying weapons, shooting at Israelis? What are those soldiers to do? Gladly accept their deaths, or fight back?

What about what has become almost the everyday terrorism of sucide attacks against Israel? You keep saying you're not for those attacks, then you turn right around and rationalize and justify them? You can't have it both ways.

So are you saying the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor was defense?

Japan attacked an opposing mililtary with that attack. The Palestinians terrorists are going after civilians. That's their strategy-and it's not happenstance. It's what they intend to do.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:10 pm

Alpha 1, it sounds like you're saying that it is just fine for the Israelis to kill innocent Palestinians with Apaches and tanks, but when an Israeli dies from a suicide bombing, it's a tragedy.

What a harsh, racist, doublestandard.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:12 pm

Alpha 1,

And the Palestinians/Arabs have never offered ANY DEAL.

LOL!!!! What do you want he Palestinian's to offer Israel? More land? Give me a break.

Sure it is-you're just too damned blind ot see it. And is a Palestinian living under occupation suffering 10 times more than a Jew being blown up in a market? You tell me?

To answer your last question. It infact it is. Palestinian's being slaughtered everyday on there homeland (the little homeland they have left), living under prison conditions is what I would call suffering. Having the city you live in being destroyed bit by bit each day by Israeli tanks, helicopters, F-16s, and bulldozers is what I call suffering.

I will say this once more Alpha 1, and that's it. For every Israeli killed, 10 Palestinian civilians are slaughtered on there homeland.

You tell me who is suffering more. The Palestinians or the Israelis? You do the math.

Alpha 1, I am talking to you in a kind and non-flamebait manner, but you are the complete opposite.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:15 pm

lol BA: "What do you want he Palestinian's to offer Israel? More land? Give me a break. "

Think rationally Alpha. It's amazing that some people just don't get it. Either that, or they just don't want to get it. The truth is that horrible that you can't accept it? My oh my.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:16 pm

People, you are giving these two morons exactly what they want. Stop responding and let Johan get rid of cba and fspilot for us. They are not mature nor educated enough to discuss this topic and they are dragging the rest of you down to their level.
 
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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Wed May 01, 2002 1:18 pm

Get rid of me? I'm sorry? what, did I break any rules?No. My arguments were not insulting. I didn't offend anyone, (to my knowledge)...maybe alpha, but i apologized. simply brought up points, which is what is supposed to happen in a "discussion"...don't flame me apathoid, I had reasonable arguments. i stayed within boundaries.

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RE: Israel: Becoming Like Nazi Germany

Thu May 02, 2002 6:50 am

"People, you are giving these two morons exactly what they want. Stop responding and let Johan get rid of cba and fspilot for us. They are not mature nor educated enough to discuss this topic and they are dragging the rest of you down to their level."

Actually, I have broken no rules on this forum. My post made a simple and rational comparison. You, Apathoid, are the guilty party. In your post, you blatantly flame me, not address the issue of my original post.

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