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British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:38 am

Excellent 'Paxman' interview with Tony, with special emphasis on our relations with America.

Check out www.bbc.co.uk/newsnight, click on 'latest programme'; you'll need realplayer. Live now. Rather interesting!

Other topics: Pim Fortuyn's impact on Europe.

Anti-Semitism in Europe: exaggerated or real?

Check it out, and BE INFORMED!  Big thumbs up

Cheers
 
NoUFO
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:45 am

Blair (on the National Health System):
If you asked for a ball park figure, it wouldn't be an accurate one.
Paxman:
Because you don't know.
Blair:
Because for the reasons I'm giving you.

Paxman:
If you do know, you could tell us.

This Paxman truly knows how to play hardball  Big thumbs up

Interesting interview but I didn't come across questions on foreign affairs or anti-semitism in Europe in this first part?

Regards,
NoUFO
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Guest

RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 9:20 am

Hi, if you click on 'latest progamme' (right-hand side) that *should* give you the second interview (aired tonight) (the 1st one was on our domestic agenda, and was aired yesterday).

Yes, Paxman is well-known for getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is why many politicians seem to turn-down so many interviews with him!

Cheers
 
Guest

RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 9:25 am

Here you go http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/latest.ram

VERY interesting-check out Blair and his remarks!
 
Banco
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 5:14 pm

Anybody rememember the classic Paxman interview with Michael Howard when he asked him the same question about 20 times in a row, and Howard wouldn't answer it?

Paxman is the most evil interviewer about. It's especially entertaining when he does overseas politicians who are clearly unaware of what they are getting themselves into.
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:03 pm

Can someone post a brief summary of the main points so I don't have to torment myself with listening to the whole thing?

kind regards,

RogueTrader
 
toady
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:28 pm

RogueTrader: I strongly recommend that you watch it. A précis posted here would deny you the chance to see Blair try to wriggle his way off the hook. It's an entertaining (and telling) interview!
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:31 pm

Yes RT, watch before its replaced this evening at 2230 British Summer Time (GMT +1).

You don't have to wait long; the opening caption should be interesting to you, as an American citizen (and us, as one of your main allies..)

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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:31 pm

Toady,

Thanks for the encouragement. Its 0429 in the morning here and watching it might put me over the edge into certain long-term insanity. I think I'll go to the drive-thru at Whataburger instead. I'll try to watch it later.

kind regards,

RogueTrader
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:33 pm

RT, the thing about Paxman is that his interview style is unlike anyone in the US. It isn't remotely respectful - he just goes for the throat every time.

Incidentally, he also presents University Challenge (I think College Bowl is your equivalent) and frequently tells the students how stupid they are. It isn't a cod disapproval a la Anne Robinson, he means to be nasty and vindictive.
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 6:54 pm

Yes, Paxman is well-known for getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is why many politicians seem to turn-down so many interviews with him!

I don't know if you're being ironic with your use of "nitty gritty". The Police Federation Conference is on at the moment and they have told politicians that they are not allowed to use that term any more as it is deemed to be racist.

Does anyone actually know what it means?
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:24 pm

I didn't know that; I guess some people must have used it in a derogatory fashion against some minority....shame, what is this world coming to when we get things like this being discussed?  Sad
 
David_itl
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:33 pm

Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1988000/1988776.stm

The beginning of that page is:

nitty-gritty • n, The fundamentals, realities or basic facts of a situation or subject. The heart of the matter.

ORIGIN: according to the Oxford English Dictionary Online, the term started as US slang but its origin is unknown. Editor of the Dictionary of Slang, Jonathon Green, speculates it is merely a reduplication of the standard English word gritty.

ORIGIN 2: one theory is that "nitty-gritty" refers to the debris left in the bottom of a slave ships at the end of a voyage. Hence, use of the term is highly contentious and has been banned by the police.


David/MAN
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:35 pm

What term are you guys talking about? "nitty-gritty"?

...and what minority is offended?

RT

 
roguetrader
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:40 pm

My dictionary says it didn't appear until 1963, so I don't think it could relate to slave ships.

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=nitty-gritty

Also, how can the police 'ban' words? To whom does the ban apply? What if they banned 'RogueTrader'???

kind regards,

RogueTrader

 
ryanb741
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:48 pm

By 'debris' left at the bottom of slave ships, it means dead slaves who perished during the voyage! Hence it's offensive connotation. 'Lets get down to the nitty-gritty' takes on a whole new light if considered in this context!!!
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 8:49 pm

Does UK have a foreign policy? My impression is that they always ask US first.
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 9:11 pm

Perhaps you believe the UK has been asking US opinion about Gibraltar, Krushny?  Yeah sure

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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 10:09 pm

The Strait of Gibraltar is a strategic place to NATO interests. I am sure that US will have a say over any agreement between UK and Spain .
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Thu May 16, 2002 10:48 pm

LOL! Like the US would be foolish enough to get involved on that one. (Then again, never say die.)

The strategic importance of the Pillars of Hercules doesn't give the US the right to tell either the UK or Spain what to do!!! This is for the two countries (and perhaps the EU, their common bond) to sort out.

The US has no right to a "say" over what happens on the stretch... it will not "descend into chaos" even if Spain was ever to get it back!
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 12:34 am

I think Blair is a bit of a maverick regarding foreign policy, a bit like Thatcher was.
By this I mean he probably often departs from the conventional Foreign Office line.
Note how low-key his Foreign Secretaries have been.
His keenness for intervention has led to Blair being called 'Lord Palmerston' by the civil service at defence and foreign affairs, after the 19th century exponent of 'gunboat diplomacy'.
This became apparent in Kosovo in 1999, face it, he was the only NATO leader who was really happy with the operation.
When the political restrictions were badly hampering the air campaign, plus Clinton and other NATO leaders vetoing the possibility of using ground troops, Blair asked the Ministry Of Defence to prepare plans for a ground attack.
Hopefully this would embarrass the rest of NATO into joining in, if it became necessary.
But if not, the planning had to take account of that, if that meant putting more than half of the British Army into the field, (and virtually all of it's heavy armour), so be it.
I've friends at the MoD who say that the planning was deadly serious.
Some in the US media, and probably a few on Capitol Hill too, sneered that Blair wanted glory paid for with American soldiers lives, how wrong they were!
But then the Serbs broke, and gave up the fight.
God knows what Gordon Brown makes of all this, it's reported that he has been lukewarm towards the extent of support for the US since
Sept. 11th.

 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 12:37 am

Whoaa.....Blair was rattled by Paxman! But as usual, Blair is an expert in answering questions without actualy saying yes or no or saying anything that could be splashed on the front pages.

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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 1:46 am

Yes, GDB, I've always understood it to be the case that the planning for the Balkans ground war was in deadly earnest. Blair's view was that the air campaign wasn't working, and ground forces needed to be put in. When the other members of NATO didn't agree, essentially saying "well, if that is what you think, why don't you put your own forces in", he decided to do just that. It is worth noting that at the same time as it became apparent that Blair was to all intents and purposes preparing a British invasion force of up to 50,000 troops, Milosevic finally caved in.

That may or may not be co-incidence, but it hardly sounds like the behaviour of an American poodle, whether you agree with him or not.
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 1:57 am

The George Bush "poodle" thing is just another one of those media inventions. Dont take it too seriously.

Arsenal@LHR
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 7:25 am

Rogue Trader: Newsnight is shown on one of the C-SPAN chanels in my area. Probably in your area as well.
 
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RE: British Foreign Policy: What?

Fri May 17, 2002 8:07 am

More fun and games on tonight's interview...check it out...very entertaining.

Is it me, or does Tony have a habit of saying "Well, you know" ???!!

Cheers!...

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