Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 4:56 am

Is it just me, or is this question totally irrelevant, not to mention more than a little tiresome, especially in 2002.
What bloody difference does it make what ones sexual
orientation is? Since when have our identities, our persona, had or have a DIRECT tie with our private, personal sex lives and preferences? Are we labelled primarily by our sex drives and choices? If so, God, what a world this is. This is not an issue, it is simply a matter of personal preference. Period.

I also find it somewhat sad that many men here must qualify responding to these questions by emphatically
stating they are straight (??).

As a good friend of mine told me when he came out,
"I faced the fact I was gay, then moved on and got over it". I very much admire that about him. It was NOT an issue to him, it was simply a part of who he was, yet he did not, does not, define himself by that
facet of himself.

Just my thoughts

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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 5:04 am

As long as there is an entire sub-culture with nothing better to do with their time than demonize gay people (getting rich off of fear & ignorance, too)...there will be activist(loud, in-your-face & sometimes very annoying) gay people fighting them back.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 6:43 am

I couldn't agree more with you. As if it really matters? I am straight, so what? Does that make me better than some random gay person because I am straight and he is gay? Of course not.

The problem is all of these narrow minded people that think anything different from them is wrong. Meanwhile, they refuse to look at the other side, because it almost seems as if they "know" what is right and wrong when it comes to sexual issues.

Either way is fine. Just because I choose not to be gay is fine, just like gay people choosing not to be straight. A phrase that annoys the hell out of me is, "that is gay." I hear that probably at least 3 times a day at school and it annoys the living sh*t out of me.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 7:00 am Its true what they have said at this site.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 7:10 am

I have no doubt whatsover a gay person can convince themselves God wants them to be straight.

19 men convinced themselves God wanted them to fly airplanes into buildings and murder thousands, so obviously a little thing like shagging a woman is nuthin.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Fri May 17, 2002 7:45 am

For goodness sakes get over it. Who cares if you are gay or straight or bi or whatever? I mean does it really matter??? I guess discussions like this prove the average age and education level of the people that participate in this group.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sat May 18, 2002 3:34 am

Heavymetal...good statement. I'm going to use it when that argument comes up.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sat May 18, 2002 11:09 am

My view is that unless I'm thinking of having sex with them, it's no ones concern.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sat May 18, 2002 12:02 pm

I was going to say what IMissPiedmont said.

RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sat May 18, 2002 12:16 pm

I am wondering what's the function of having this "changing sexuality back to normal" site thing.

It may be real, but most of them are just simply a hoax to me. So fake.

Actually people DO cares. Because one of the personalities that people usually have (and not aware of) is they like to "Label" someone.

I can label you as a straight guy, or I can label his as a boring guy, and may be I can label the boy next door as a idiot....etc

Admit it, we all love to label at someone, and we have to 'make up' the term when we are labelling someone, so that's why we care, especially to the gay/straight issue. For example: You're gay, then we 'label' you as gay, so we won't forget, and vice versa.

We don't know why, but we just love to care who is who. This will never change, despite if you're a really tolerant guy and friend to gays.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sun May 19, 2002 6:33 am

Three cheers for Heavymetal. People can convince themselves that God wants them to do many things. Hell, I remember this one guy on Sally Jesse Raphael (I know, I know I'm embarassed for me too!) who had not only convinced himself that he was no longer gay, but that he had been cured of AIDS. Unfortunately, these "gay cure" things are nothing but one big sham run by the extreme hard right which seems to have nothing better to do with itself than to persecute gays. Persecute all you like, we ain't going away. What these programs actually succeed in doing is creating self-destructive, self-loathing individuals who enter into very destructive marriages with equally self-destructive, self-loathing women who are often coming out of abusive relationships. They get married, have children, then often come to the realization that one cannot change their sexuality through prayer, etc. On the other hand, many others are taught to hate the gay part of themselves so much that they begin practicing extreme forms of homophobia including, but not limited to, violent gay-bashings. Anyway, all this to say that one cannot be cured of their "gayness." No matter what some like to say, being gay is something that is inborn, like hair color. I didn't choose to be gay, I just am.

Anyway, just my 2 cents worth.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sun May 19, 2002 6:08 pm

OA412 / HeavyMetal,

Kudos, cheers and a big gay hug to the two of you.


The general fact of the matter is, until we are afforded the same rights as everyone else we will be out there campainging. If any of the straight guys and gals on this forum knew what it was like to grow up gay and alone they would completely understand where we are coming from.

I salute every one of our compatriots who have over the years done their utmost for the cause of equal rights. We are your brothers, sisters, haridressers, bankers, company directors, construction workers, flight attendants, sales assistants, doctors, lawyers, mothers and fathers. Yet there is still parts of the community that condemn us!

Every day, a homosexual of some kind provides you with some service, saves a life, prevents a crime or simply purchases some of your goods. Is it not then bizarre that we are often in many cases treated differently? I certainly don't think of myself as someone different because I am gay.

As I have said on many a thread it is the ignorance and self loathing of others that makes them hate or dislike hommosexuality. Who taught people to be like this?


Simple question, but I don't want to see "because the bible says so" as we know, those of us that are intelligent enough to see through, religion is brain washing in that particular respect.

And those of you that refer to homosexuality as a lifestyle had better get a grip on their reality, because being gay is not a lifestyle. It is how we are.

Lifestyle = Choice
Gay = Natural

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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Sun May 19, 2002 11:32 pm

Interesting program on the History Channel last night - somewhat related to this topic (called the "XY Condition" or something like that)... basically was a history of sex, and focused a lot on the role the church has had in shaping sexual attitudes over the centuries. For example, up until the early middle ages, sex wasn't demonized. Priests were allowed to marry. Homosexuality was as big (or bigger) in the priesthood as it is now. Some pope (forget which one) then decided that allowing priests to be married and allowing homosexuality to be overt was causing the "downfall" of the priesthood, so he suddenly decreed that priests could no longer be married or be gay. Nothing to do with the bible. Then, some other scholar decided to compose a list of sexual acts that were "unnatural" and labelled these acts as "sodomy" (a word this individual created, based on the biblical place name of "Sodom" as the root word)... anyway, the list included things such as solitary masturbation, mutual masturbation, and "copulating between the thighs" (meaning not in a hole, but rather rubbing your dick between somebody's legs evidently), not to mention intercourse "in the behind" (as this scholar described it).

In the later middle ages, a rather "randy" sexual culture developed in cities across Europe, and the struggle between what comes natural to people and what the voodoo doctors of organized religion say people should do and think has ensued ever since.

Attitudes about sexual orientation are learned. Sexual orientation itself isn't learned, although that doesn't mean one cannot perform sex acts outside one's prevalent sexual orientation and enjoy them... sexual orientation is a way someone is "wired" in my opinion. I am wired to be emotionally and physically attracted to men, and that wiring can't be changed through prayer or any other voodoo. However, if the situation presented itself... i.e. I was drunk on a remote island and the only other inhabitant was an attractive female, I don't think I'd have a problem with her giving me head or me having intercourse with her. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
An unexamined life isn't worth living.
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RE: Gay/Straight...Who Cares?

Mon May 20, 2002 4:11 pm

It makes no difference to me if your gay or straight. However, if your a Jeff Gordon fan, I'll kick your @ss!  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud !!!

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