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Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Fri May 31, 2002 5:25 pm

High guys looking at buying a camping stove.

Anyway I am debating between a liquid fuel stove or a Butane cartride one.

The liquid fuel stove is heavier and costs more but fuel is definatly available in bush towns and the tank can be purged of fumes for airline travel.

The butane stove is much lighter, and doesn't have to be primed. But I can't find out what class of hazmat the cylinders are. I suspect that they are banned on passenger flights but they may be considered ORM-D's. I can't find a UN number for them.

Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Sat Jun 08, 2002 4:11 am

Butane bottles, as well as propane bottles are considered HAZMAT and are banned from passenger flights. I myself have a butane/propane cartridge stove, and prefer it to the white gas stoves. I always had trouble getting the liquid fueled ones started, and when I bought my cartridge stove six years ago, I was quite impressed with it. Yes, the availabiltiy of cartridges is a question if you are venturing out in some areas, but considering their popularity in some parts of the world, especially Europe, it may not be as hard to find them as you think. Since most of my camping and backpacking involves only a few hour drive, I never really worry about finding replacements, I always make sure I carry two of them just in case.
 
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RE: Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Sat Jun 08, 2002 12:47 pm

Srbmod is correct...just pulled out the IATA Regs and found it listed under UN2037: Receptacles,small, containing gas, which are forbidden for both pax and cargo...FYI.

Years ago I used liquid stoves (usually the MSR Whisperlite) and never had a problem. Had them in all sorts of conditions too, once you got the hang of priming them it was good to go. Also use the Coleman campstoves (can't remember the model) and those were even easier, albeit heavier. Haven't used the cartridge stoves, yet.

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RE: Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:01 pm

Yeah that is what I came up with before looking at the IATA book here at work.


but

There are several Class or divisions listed.

If you look up Butane, it is listed as Hazard Class 2.1

Under Recepticals, small, containing gas, the only one that is in the same Hazard class (2.1) as Butane, Allows 1KG per package on passenger aircraft, and 15 KG for cargo aircraft. Provided of course that it is labeled Flammable gas.

Reading that rule the was I am, it looks like you are allowed to fly them of passenger aircraft provided that a max of 1KG per package is observed.

That would be good for me considering shipping arrangements in Alaska can be somewhat limited, but for that reason I am still favoring purchasing a Coleman "duel-fuel" stove.


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RE: Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:05 pm

Before I forget, thanks for the help guys.

I was hoping that maybe somebody had bought a case of them and saw how the shipping container had been labeled.

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RE: Are Camping Butane Bottles ORM-D Or Worse

Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:46 pm

Regardless of whether they are allowed on a passenger aircraft or not they are hazmat. Therefore the only way you can take them on a passenger aircraft is as air cargo with all the appropriate hazmat paperwork and packaging. Depending on who you are travelling on there is probably also a hazmat fee (some small air taxi carriers don't charge one). Since cargo is not usually guaranteed to travel on the same flight as you it may not arrive with you unless you ship it in advance. All in all traveling with any kind of fuel will be difficult at best. I would strongly recommend buying a stove that you expect you will be able to find the fuel for at the destination and not even consider travelling with fuel.

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