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"us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:15 pm

Before the big game against Portugal tomorrow I checked out the lineup and I was extreamly surprised to see that 9 players on the US team including Stewart and Agoos were not even born in the US and the team is made up of players from 8 different countries other then the US.

So what gives?

I had this problem with the olympics as well. If your going to base an international event on the boundaries of present day countries why not limit each team to players who were born there....

Im sure if you look at the lineups for any team in Europe you will also find players born in various countries. So what stops countries from giving citizenship and passports to any good foreign athletes to improve their chances of winning???

If your a player and arent good enough to play for your own nation what stops you from playing for another country where you can make the team (Stewart)?

BTW.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Portugal is going down tomorrow!!!!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy (even if we dont have Reyna)
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:18 pm

So where are all these players born then?
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:21 pm

Soccer or "football" is not that popular here in the USA, maybe that could be a reason. In fact Golf has twice the ratings of Soccer. Soccer is too defensive for American taste and we reject the game no matter how much Nike try's to sell it.

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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:22 pm

Your group is stronger than I expected, amazing perfomance by South Korea today. I'd say Portugal & S. Korea will go on to the 2nd round.

About "foreign" players in national teams, that has always been a problem and will always be a problem. If someone is born in Poland, but moves with 6 years to Germany and grows up there, is he Polish or German ? I think he is German, and I think the same goes for most of the US players, but I don't really know about the situation over there.
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:32 pm

" In fact Golf has twice the ratings of Soccer. Soccer is too defensive for American taste"

Sorry, but if soccer is "defensive", what the heck is Golf then?
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:33 pm

US Team:

3 from Columbia
1 from Canada
1 from Argentina
1 from Switzerland
1 from Martinique
1 from Holland
1 from Jamaica

I also want to add that my sister who is Jamaican made the Jamaican national team (who failed to qualify for the world cup) but was also eligable to play for the US team (because she lived in the states for 6 + years) But she only made it on the US second team.....
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:37 pm

You ever play golf? Its the hardest sport to master by far.

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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 12:24 am


Portugal going down tomorrow ? Hahaha.
Ever heard of Figo and Co. ?

 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:14 am

In 98 one of the US players got his citizenship only days before the team deadline to play in France. But a large percentage of the French and Dutch teams players are from other countries as well. Poland has an African player. This happens everywhere.
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:03 am

Its Surprising in Canada Soccer is acctualy preety popular during the summer months yet we still have only been to one world cup. So i dont see how the states who dont like soccer still beat us. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr anyway good luck to the US team but remember GO ARGENTINA
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:46 am

My prediction for tomorrow:
Portugal 3 USA 0
 Big thumbs up
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 5:48 am

I don't even know a single player in the american team. ( no offense but I think it needs some kind of miracle to go to the 2nd round )
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:24 am

NUAir wrote:

>>If your going to base an international event on the boundaries of present day countries why not limit each team to players who were born there....

Excuse me?!? What kind of a suggestion is this? Just because someone wasn't BORN in the States, you think he or she shouldn't play for the US team? Look, millions of Americans, like me, were born in other countries, yet they became NATURALIZED US citizens, and now have the same status as people who happened to be born in the States. Guess what, we have the same rights you do, including the right to play for US teams. America is a such a diverse country, composed of people from all over the world; why on earth should we limit something to people BORN in a particular place?

NUAir wrote:

>>"Im sure if you look at the lineups for any team in Europe you will also find players born in various countries. So what stops countries from giving citizenship and passports to any good foreign athletes to improve their chances of winning???"

Since these cases are fairly infrequent, I don't think that this is such a huge problem. Nevertheless, I think that countries should apply the same naturalization criteria to star atheletes as they do to everyone else. But I also realize that, in the case of many countries, this is unrealistic. National prestige will always take priority.

Getting back to soccer...



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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:02 am

Soccer or "football" is not that popular here in the USA

First of all, soccer is the #1 participatory sport in America. More kids and adults play soccer than baseball, hockey, or (American) football. True, soccer is not highly rated on TV in America, but over 40 million people in the US tuned into the Womens World Cup final game in '00. (Source: The Economist)

Soccer (Football) is very popular in the US, and getting more popular every year.
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:49 pm

PHX,

I was also born outside of the country (France) and was naturalised (American). But for an event that is supposedly based on your country why is it that hard to limit teams to only players born within there borders???

I feel much more American then French but I still don't feel that it would be fair for me to play on the US team. The way it is now a country can throw a passport at any decent prospect, wait 4-6 years and he or she can play for their team..

If you are going to allow for players who are born in other countries to play then they should have stricter minimum guidelines/standards, such as you have to have spent 2/3 of your life within the borders of the country you are playing for or you have to have acquired your passport before the age of 15...

Something like that...

BTW. The Portuguese on this forum are sounding a lot like the French before the Senegal match  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Your going down!!!





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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:43 pm

hahahahahahaha

Portugal What???????????


Yeah I like how you talked all that s@#~ but now we really know who the best team is!!!!

And remember we beat them without our captain!!!

All props to the US, McBride, Stewart and all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:50 pm

Here is the latest headlines  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


U.S. Hung On to Defeat Favored Portugal, 3-2
By REUTERS

UWON, South Korea -- The United States pulled off one of the most stunning upsets in World Cup history Wednesday when it held on to beat favored Portugal 3-2 after shaking their opponents with three first-half goals.

The Americans, who last beat a European team in the World Cup 52 years ago with a staggering 1-0 win over England in the 1950 finals, grabbed the fastest goal of these finals through John O'Brien in the fourth minute and piled on the agony with further strikes from Landon Donovan in the 27th and Brian McBride in the 36th.

For the Portuguese, it was a bizarre parallel to the 1966 finals in England when they went down 3-0 to North Korea in the first half of their quarterfinal before coming back to win 5-3 with four goals from Eusebio.

But this time there was no Eusebio. Beto Severo scored in the 39th minute and Jeff Agoos put through his own net in the 71st but the United States held on for its greatest World Cup feat in more than half a century.
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:55 pm

NUAir wrote:

>>But for an event that is supposedly based on your country why is it that hard to limit teams to only players born within there borders???

Because NATURALIZED CITIZENS are a part of America, just like NATIVE BORN citizens. If you limited the US team to native born players, that team would certainly not be representative of America. Barring foreign-born players would also violate America's anti-discrimination laws (which guarantee equal rights to all Americans, regardless of their country of birth).

Again, native born citizens are not "more American" than naturalized citizens. I'm surprised you don't see that, since you say that you are a naturalized US citizen yourself.

BTW, WELL DONE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:55 pm

Good for the USA team! Shame hardly anyone back home will care!
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:08 pm

PHX

I see your point but I think they need to have some sort of regulations in regards to what qualifies you as a citizen of a country.

Poland threw a passport at Emmanuel Olisadebe after he failed to make the Nigerian national team and has lived in Poland for less than 3 years....

This is ridiculous and I think it should be banned by FIFA as well as the by the Olympic committees.

You can easily make an argument for some of the players on the US team but then again we have two Columbians who have only been here for a couple of years, which means that two less Americans get the chance to represent their home..

Anyway, we still kicked ass and its just a mild complaint towards FIFA and the World Cup....

So Bambicruz and GKirk what's up now???????



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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Wed Jun 05, 2002 11:39 pm

>>Good for the USA team! Shame hardly anyone back home will care!<<

True, we don't have a gigantic fan base, but it is also too bad that the games are played at 2, 4, and 6 am here. But the story did make the national morning news. But yeah, it will really be a long time before soccer becomes big here.

About participatory sports, I bet soocer has far more participants than footbal and baseball because it is cheaper to play. All you need is a soccer ball, goals, shirts and boundaries on a field and you can have a city league. But football and baseball require $1,000s of more dollars in equipment to organize than soccer.
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:40 am

NUAir,

I definitely agree that star athletes should be subject to the same naturalization process as everyone else -- no exceptions. But I don't agree with the suggestion that only native-born citizens should play for their countries' teams.
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:45 am

Another big upset in the World Cup  Big thumbs up
Is this upset as big or bigger than the France Vs Senegal match???
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:01 am

Alot of World Cup teams use that method. Just look at their rosters. It isn't just the United States. However, I will say this. It is one thing if their parents were American citizens and they were born on foreign soil. Any child of American parents is considered to be an American regardless of birthplace. Also, if their families immigrated to the US when the person in question was a minor, that is easily allowable. However, if, like David Regis' case (he got citizenship just days before '98's World Cup), where he married an American, and tried out for the team because he couldn't make his previous country's team, then that should be outlawed as well, and the same ruling should be done to anyone who plays in the MLS or another national league after being born and raised in another country, and then gains citizenship.
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:07 am

The Americans, who last beat a European team in the World Cup 52 years ago with a staggering 1-0 win over England in the 1950 finals

Has the United States every won the world cup??
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:49 am

Er, no Tbar220. Not even close. The reason the win over England was "staggering" was because I believe at that time no team outside the British Isles had ever beaten England, although they were given a serious football lesson three years later by that magnificent Hungary side.

However, according to all reports (I promise this isn't just sour grapes!) that game in 1950 was a bit of a freak in that Engand had something like 40 shots on goal but it just wouldn't go in. The victory over Portugal today was earnt and deserved.
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 7:50 am

The 3-2 victory over Portugal is easily the greatest victory by the USA team in the World Cup finals.  Big thumbs up

The reason is simple: Portugal is the FIFA #5 ranked team in the world, and Luis Figo is one of the best players in the world, too.

I think the Portugal side was so shellshocked by going down 3-0 that by the time they got their senses back it was all over.  Smile

And this is the same team that was a semi-finalist at Euro 2000?  Insane
 
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RE: "us" World Cup Team

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:36 pm

Ok, my mistake.

When I saw "finals", I thought it meant the finals of the world cup.
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