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Relatives Survived/Lost In A Major Disaster?

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:44 pm

When I was young, I was told by my mother that her great-grandmother, Mrs. Catherine E. Willey, died in the sinking of the Cunard liner the RMS Lusitania, torpedoed and sunk by a German U-boat on May 7, 1915.

My mother recently forwarded an e-mail with details regarding my great-great-grandmother. Mum's cousin is doing research on her and how she might have died.

"...when her (Mrs. Willey's) body was recovered, it was found off the island of Barry - South Wales. The body was shipped to New York on the SS Lapland on instructions of Thomas Cook & Sons on the 19th of May, 1915. Her property was handed to the American consul in Cardiff.

The following description of her remains were as follows:

Age approx. 50 with hair dyed black and wearing white apparell & 5.6 3/4 inches tall.

The following property was found on her:

Gold unstamped bangle with 17 diamonds
1 american split ring
1 pearl necklace + pearl screw earrings
4 gold rings from middle finger
1 platinum ring with 2 large diamonds"

Receiving this information made what I was told as a kid seem more real and tangible, and even saddening.

Anyone else have anything similar to share?
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:23 pm

Well I've been told that lots of my relatives perished in the 1910s during the Turkish genocide of the Assyrians/Armenians. My great grandparents fortunately made it out of Turkey alive. We "supposedly" have a village in Turkey with hidden treasures! Hmmm.... Smile
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Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:55 pm

Wow! there was just a thing on PBS about the Lusitania tonight.

Everybody on my moms side of the family survived the 1964 Good Friday earthquake.

In fact my grandmother and my mom had just 15 minutes prior left the JCpenny's store here. When the the earthquake struck the whole facade came down where they where parked.

There is a video of the wall of that store collapsing but I can't find an online copy of it. But here are some photos of some of the other damage in town, only a block away.

Picture of Anchorage's 4th avenue after the quake

Another 4th avenue photo

Govt Hill elementry

Those are all USGS photo's
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Thu Jun 06, 2002 5:09 pm

Found a photo of what that store looked liked 15 minutes after they left. They where parked under the wall of the building that failed.

It is a TIFF image, again from the USGS.

JCpenny's 1964
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Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:13 pm

Eeeeekkk !!! I've never understood my friends who do not seem perplexed by living in an earthquake zone ( read: California ) ... but whatever works for you ...

But yes, My Dad and I survived a tornado which levelled several buildings down the road - the funny thing is we just thought it was stormier than usual when the windows began to rattle, and something sounding like a train was coming down the road. So I went back to bed. It was only when I woke up the following morning that I noticed we were minus a conservatory, half the roof was missing, and the tornado had made the national news.

 
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Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:35 pm

Guys,

Whether this is relevant or not, my Aunt Elizabeth has missed two fatal crashes through sheer luck. Which sent her in the search for spiritualism!

The first was the 1977 Granville train disaster in Sydney. My Aunt always got this train in the morning and would have through habit gotten into the carriages that were crushed by the bridge that collapsed on it. That morning she was running late and missed the train at Parramatta station as it pulled out.

The second was the Mt Erebus NZ disaster, she was booked on the sightseeing flight and missed the connecting SYD-AKL flight because of a late running taxi to the airport.

Scary stuff.

I personally missed the SFO earthquake by mere hours after flying out from SFO a couple of hours beforehand to HNL. We were told inflight just before we landed that there had been an earthquake. It was really scary as when I got to the hotel, every one had to be above the 13th (yeah) floor for fear of a Tsunami. I had a young girl of 16 and an elderly woman share my room which was on the 18th floor. We watched the earthquake horror unfold live on television. I VCR'ed it from the hotel bedroom.

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Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:59 pm

In 1942 my grandparents were to celebrate their 7th wedding anniversary with friends with a night out on the town in Boston. But my grandfather came down with a really humdinger of a sinus related ear-ache. The night was called off and both they and their friends stayed at home in the burbs.

Their intended destination that evening was the Coconut Groove nightclub. An earache prevented them from missing one of the most horrific fires in American history. Nearly 500 people died when a spark ignited the nearly wall to wall, floor to ceiling South Pacific motiff decorations, all highly flammable.

More about it http://www.ezl.com/~fireball/Disaster21.htm

 
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:57 am

One of my relatives was on a bombed ship in WWII... everyone on the ship was watching a movie they had just been sent while he alone was writing letters to family on the other side of the ship. The ship was bombed where the movie watchers were, and he was the only one to survive... got a purple heart for it...

My great-uncle got frost-bite just before The Battle of the Bulge. The short amount of time he was out saved his life. For his injuries, he got a purple heart. I don't know if anyone from his group of soldiers survived.

Jeremy

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Fri Jun 07, 2002 6:22 am

My grandfather was in the Battle of the Bulge.

My sister was 10 blocks from Ground Zero on Sept. 11.

I lost a friend on TWA800. Her name was Patricia Kwiat.

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Fri Jun 07, 2002 6:28 am

My uncle works in the Pentagon--he was late to work on Sept 11, he left his badge and bag at home after dropping the kids off at school--he went home, turned on the TV for a second, and lost all track of time watching the events unfold.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 8:05 am

A school friend of mine moved to NY (from London) in 2001 with her husband, and he was killed in the South Tower of the WTC. They'd been married for eleven months.

His name was Steve Lawn. Rest in peace.
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:41 am

My great-great grandfather, a couple of his sons (my great-uncles?) and several other relatives died in a fireworks factory explosion in Italy around 1900.
I was six or seven blocks from the World Trade Center when the south tower collapsed, although a nearby building blocked my view. It was a very loud roar, that's for sure.
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:46 am

My cousin worked on the 97th floor of the South tower. On 9-11, he had to take his daughter to school, if not for that he would have been there. There is no way to be certain, but a lot of his co-workers did not survive.
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 12:27 pm

I used to work two blocks north of the WTC. I knew people who worked on the 73rd floor of tower 2. One of them was lucky to have slept in. I didn't even bother trying to find out about the others...
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 10:24 pm

I used to work two blocks north of the WTC. I knew people who worked on the 73rd floor of tower 2. One of them was lucky to have slept in. I didn't even bother trying to find out about the others...

Nearly everyone who was below the 78th floor of tower 2 (the south tower) got out safely.
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:45 pm

The people I knew worked for Fuji Bank. They lost many of their employees that day.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:49 pm

Fuji Bank was floors 79-82 in the South Tower. I made a mistake on the floors before...
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2002 5:23 am

Heavymetal: My grandparents were going going to go to the Coconut Grove that night too, but in the end decided to spend the night at home!

Nothing spectacular in my family, however a friend of my dad's was supposed to be on AA11 on 11 September, but had to cancel his trip at the last minute when his mother died the night before.

And me personally, I was in Hurricane Andrew in 1992. The eye of the storm was heading straight for where I was in Fort Lauderdale, however shortly before hitting Florida, the storm turned a little bit more to the west and ended up hitting about 25 miles to my south. It's kind of scary being 9 years old, and having people tell you what to do if the roof gets ripped off!

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Sat Jun 08, 2002 10:27 am

I lost a dear friend on Turkish 981 March 3, 1974.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:05 am

LH....I wonder if your grandparents knew mine!?

My best friend's parents rode out Hurricane Andrew....in Kendall. (About twenty miles south of you.) Winds there topped 120 to 150 mph. They spent five hours inside the closet in their home's inner-hallway...just the two of them and the dog.

Not sure where you are tonight but we're getting our butts kicked by some pretty hefty thunderstorms here in Palm Beach.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:14 am

Practically my whole family was in Poland at the time of the Nazi invasion. My great-grandfather, sensing bad things coming moved to Venezuela with his wife and urged his brother (the head of the family) to gather everyone and get out before it was too late. His brother took one tour of Venezuela and said that he would not stay nor advise the others to leave, calling the locals "uncivilized savages".................famous last words as the only savages were the ones who soon invaded Poland.

My great-grandfather and his wife were the only ones to survive out of a family of almost 100 (I saw an old family portrait). I cry every time I think of this.

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Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:18 am

My boyfriend lost his best friend - he was Cantor Fitzgerald based in New York.... also the same guy missed PAN-AM 103. He regularly reminds me that "shit happens" so get on with your life.

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Sat Jun 08, 2002 12:00 pm

My grandma and grandpa died on the flight where the 737 fuselage ripped away in flight.

My sisters fiance died on 9-11. He was in tower 1, not sure which floor but i remember him saying he was on the highest, or second highest story on WTC 1. He was a good guy, and I'll miss him.
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Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:37 pm

My grandma and grandpa died on the flight where the 737 fuselage ripped away in flight.

Aloha Airlines 737-200 accident in 1988?
there was only one fatality in that flight, a flight attendant.
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Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:47 pm

I think Flyingbronco05 meant the United Airlines 747-200 that lost a portion of its fuselage skin on climbout from HNL. Quite a few people were lost from the cabin when the right-hand forward cabin wall partially disintegrated, due to the loss of the forward cargo door. Can't remember the year that happened.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2002 12:43 am

Yes, I think Flyingbronco means the UA 747 flight out of HNL, I think 9 people were killed.

As for my family, my Grandpa (Dad's side) was shot down in WW2 in his B-25, and he survived, but died in early 2001.

One of my dad's good friends was on United 175 that hit the WTC.



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Sun Jun 09, 2002 9:19 am

A family friend of our's daughter was booked on the flight from New Jersey which hit the WTC. She missed her flight because, if I'm not mistaken, she was stuck in traffic. She had to take a later flight, and met up with her uncle in Denver, where she found out that the flight she missed crashed into the WTC.

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Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:05 am

My family and I were in San Francisco a few years ago just a couple of days before its' earthquake. Because he(my husband) has a good friend that now lives in Oakland, we went there for dinner, using the Bay Bridge. Needless to say, a few days later when it collapsed, we were quite shaken up.

Like others here, I lost friends on PA103 - the entire crew.
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:53 am

Sorry! Yes I mean the 747. I know it was on the way to Hawaii or departing Hawaii. I can't remember.
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Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:47 pm

A family friend of our's daughter was booked on the flight from New Jersey which hit the WTC. She missed her flight because, if I'm not mistaken, she was stuck in traffic. She had to take a later flight, and met up with her uncle in Denver, where she found out that the flight she missed crashed into the WTC

Both flights that hit the WTC came from Boston. The one from New Jersey crashed in a Pennsylvania field.
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:00 pm

My uncle was coming back from a camping trip in the desert during the Gulf War. While he was driving a Scud Missile hit the same track he was on, if he left the campsite just a few seconds later he wouldn't be with us today. I have another uncle who works in the Air Force and he has gone through many ordeals especially during the Gulf War. He was once on patrol in a Westland Commando or Sea King (can't recall) when a missile hit an oil tanker in the Persian Gulf, the Oil Tanker was burning heavily and their was a large pillar of billowing black smoke, he was lowered onto the ship to save and people who were alive, unfortunetly there weren't many. Though he did find the Italian captain and his wife. The captain had one of his arms blown off and his wife's necklace has actually cut through her neck but he saved them both.

Also my father, grandfather and some of my uncles were back from a hunting trip in the Egyptian desert. They stayed in an appartment in high rise building when one of the worst earthquake's hit Egypt. Fortunetly they all evacuated the building and survived the earthquake.

 
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Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:15 pm

I survived a planecrash myself (plus an emergency landing on another flight).
My grandfather fought in May 1940 against the invading Germans, he was 1 of only 3 survivors in his company.
My father missed the last troopship to Korea for that war by less than a week (he was in the first group out of basic training after the armistice, already had received marching orders that were later changed).
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:45 am

I dunno if this counts, but my grandma survived the Oklahoma City tornado a couple of years ago. Her house was not touched but she was within a couple miles of it.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:29 pm

A relative of mine, I think it was my dad's uncle, was killed in the "Alexander Kielland" disaster in 1980. The rig was experiencing a heavy storm in the north sea, and tiped over, killing over 120 people. I wasn't even born then, so it's obviously nothing I remember.

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Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:01 pm

Some relatives were killed during the holocaust. We don't know how, where and when.

Luckily enough the family of my grandparents fled to Portugal, Cuba and to the United States.

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Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:40 am

Heavymetal: In the aftermath of the storm I remember reading so many stories about people who rode out the storm in interior closets and rooms or in bathtubs under mattresses. I remember one man scribbling a message on a mirror to his family just as the height of the storm hit saying that he loved them and he will miss them forever. That man survived, but one can only imagine what it was like in the areas south of Miami. Although I was pretty distanced from the heart of the destruction, for someone my age to have experienced that, it's something that will live with me forever. All told though, with $30 billion in damage, it's pretty amazing that only some 40 or so people were killed in Florida and Louisiana.

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RE: Relatives Survived/Lost In A Major Disaster?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:51 pm

Cedarjet,

I went to look up your friend Steve in the NYTimes Portraits of Grief section, but couldn't find his name. They don't claim to have everyone listed, so you may want to write them to have him included. It's pretty moving.

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