KAUSpilot
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Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:18 pm

This article was interesting:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1023894901416B265&set_id=1

apparently some leftist German group is being allowed to show their anti-American films to the German parliament. This is frustrating to me as an American. I love Germany and like seeing relations between our two countries as friendly as they can be. Why all the sympathy for the terrorists? It's not as if they "massacred" a few thousand Americans or anything. I wonder if international law says anything about blowing up a few skyscrapers filled with 3,000 civilians? IMO this kind of thing only breeds contempt for the US and it is simply not in the US military protocol to carry out Nazi style extermination sessions. I hope this is not taken too seriously by the German people, but deep down I know it will be. I sincerely hope that the Germans are able to see through this kind of propaganda......show me some graves then I'll believe this garbage.

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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:05 pm

Keep in mind, it might as well be true! There is a film that says that US-American soldiers have massacred 3,000 people - what do you expect us to do? Shall we say "Ooohh, they're US-American, they're our friends, we love them so much - this film is not true!" or what? Come on, give us an evidence that the film is NOT true.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:13 pm

Actually, I haven't anything abot this film in the German media. And nobody takes the foreign politics of the PDS serious anyway, they are against everything and everybody. The PDS is the successor of the ruling party in the GDR, the SED, parts of them are communists.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:06 pm

Besides which, it hardly "shocks Europe" does it. The rest of us tend not to pay particularly close attention to minor German parties and their activity in the Bundestag.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 7:01 pm

PDS is the (former) East German communist party. They've never forgiven the USA (who they blame) for the destruction of their powerbase and the reunification.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 7:14 pm

Come on, give us an evidence that the film is NOT true.

That must be the difference between us and you. Here, the person making the accusations must prove them to be fact. Innocent until proven guilty.In your world, whatever anyone says is fact and it is up to the accused to prove them wrong.

Your world runs on rage, emotion and innuendo. Ours on justice. I'll take ours.

 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:20 pm

I didn't say that the US are necessarily guilty. But you're telling me that I should not believe the film, just because of our "long lasting friendship"...
I didn't see the film, but when somebody suspects the US Army to massacre thousands of people, it's too simple to say "...it is simply not in the US military protocol to carry out Nazi style extermination sessions". No matter if the film was shown by PDS or whomever - an investigation would make it clear if those massacres are true or not, but telling me about the WTC victims does not help at all!
 
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Heavymetal

Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:34 pm

Heavymetal: Your world runs on rage, emotion and innuendo. Ours on justice. I'll take ours.

You´re joking, right?  Wink/being sarcastic

First of all, the friendship between our nations fortunately goes much too deep to be wrecked that easily.

But I´d be very, very careful talking about "justice" right now. Especially with US congress just approving a bill that would urge the president to invade Holland if US citizens were to be indicted before the international war crimes tribunal . Broken treaties and commitments littering this administration´s path left and right.

The american calls for revenge, for murdering and torturing Afghans in this very forum are the other side. As understandable as the feeling may have been, they make it at least plausible that there may have been transgressions committed by US troops during the past few months (although I still hope there weren´t any).

I don´t believe any of the allegations unless they are actually proven. But if there is any concrete evidence (which I don´t know so far), it must be investigated.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:34 pm

Typical thread, another topic to do with anti-US or vice versa. Hardly big news.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 9:40 pm

Oh boy, some leftist freaks in Europe are bashing the U.S. Nothing new there. I still wonder why the U.S wants to have anything to do with Europe except for Great Britain. All most of Europe does bash the U.S. whenever possible and blame us for all the ills of the world.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:34 pm

Klaus-

That would be funny if the USA invaded Holland, if it happened I bet a few US Army divisions would get sidetracked in the Red Light District.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:22 pm

Well, I thing its wrong to fight against murders and being a murder it self...

You can't claim something bad to one and when you have done the same (or similar) thing before.

I don't need a Video or Movie to know that there where quite a lot bad moves in the US History. Especially in Asia the USA killed many people (I'm not talking about VC, I mean civilians!). Well, I don't want to say that everything was bad, I only say that you shouldn't claim it on others when you are not better.

But this has been discussed many times and I'm sure anyway that none of you US guys will understand it, I just keep in mind of the people suffering and the one killed, in the USA or/and everywhere else, just because it is bad...
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:48 pm

Keep in mind, it might as well be true!

Keep in mind, it's probably a bunch of left-wing bullshit.

I don´t believe any of the allegations unless they are actually proven. But if there is any concrete evidence (which I don´t know so far), it must be investigated.

But you certianly give creedence to the report, simply by the way you responded, Klaus. And if this does turn out to be the idiocy I'm sure it is, who has damaged the friendship between the U.S. and Germany? And based on the whims of a left-wing fringe group, the European Parliament is going to look into this? And you don't think the E.U. is a Socialist-Leaning entity? Riight.

I don't need a Video or Movie to know that there where quite a lot bad moves in the US History.

Really, Swissgabe? Boy, what a revelation! EVERY country had done shameful things over the years-Germany tops the list in the 20th Century, doesn't it? Seems to me like you have decided to believe this report at face value. Typical.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:55 pm

We could use another invasion. Maybe that would wake the politicos up that we've gone too far destroying our defenses and associated industry...
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racko
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:08 am

BTW, the movie wasn't shown to the German parliament but just in the private rooms of the party "PDS" inside the Reichstag, which also houses the Bundestag.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 1:40 am

Given the US' record in Vietnam and other conflicts, I thought it was well established that they - along with all other nations at war - do perpetrate war crimes? Just look at the British bombing of Dresden! However, as the victor, not only do the spoils belong to you but also the right to write the history books.

Anyone who denies this is incredibly naive!
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 1:52 am

The Americans did whatever they wanted

They always do anyway. That's why they have so much troubles I guess.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:04 am

You surely won't make many friends with such a statement, OO-AOG. But in a way you're right.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:42 am

Don't get it wrong Ndebele, I have nothing against American people. It's only their government that has (often) an unacceptable behaviour and a lot of hypocrisy.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:12 am

The same could be said of any government anywhere at anytime OO-AOG. As long as humans run any government there will always be problems. All humans, especially politicians, have ambition and financial motivations. These drives have a tendncy to override a politician's sense of integrity, depending on the situation. Because the US government is so high profile on the world stage it takes a lot of criticism from global media. I am not aware of your country of origin but I can safely say it's no utopian model either, since there is no perfection yet to be found in an existing governmental system.

Overall I see no reason why the US would want to commit or allow "massacres" in afghanistan. The whole point of going in there was to "win over" the populace so to speak. We wanted to oust the terrorist regime and put into place a government who would cooperate with the US and create a more democratic system. We didn't go in as "revenge", but only to protect ourselves from further threats by the taliban/al queda. If we wanted revenge we could've just nuked the whole country off the face of the planet, why risk sending ground troops in if revenge is the sole motivation? No, these hypothetical "atrocities" would only further solidify opposition to the US among afhganis, when in fact, the US is seeking to gain support among the afghan people. It's common sense. The US military has changed drastically since Vietnam, and it is now DEFINITELY a policy to eliminate civilian casualties and so called "collateral damage".
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:30 am

KAUSPPilot, I totally agree. SAS23, why don't you bash Japan for not delving into WW2 history in the textbooks issued to students there? At least I'm from a country where history is (99% of the time) told as it is...
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:43 am

Leftseat, are you sure about your history books? I haven´t seen anything about the Korea- or Vietnamwar in it, only the "clean" Gulfwar wasdescribed in extend. And the colonial times of the 18/19th century haven´t appeared there, too.

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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:54 am

The best thing about this whole subject is that we all deep down inside know that these allegations are false. I do like it when I see people here selectively pick out things in history and twist them around for their own personal agenda. I must remind you that your actions are shallow and people can see thru to the bottom of the murky water you seem to live in. You know who you are!
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:00 am

What the heck are you talking about!!!?!?!?! Where did you go to school! In my Houghton&Mifflin History/Social Studies book from last year we covered the 2nd world War,The Korean War, The Vietnam War (Including the peace movements and protests +the causes and consequences), the 50s Black segregation era (Martin Luther King, etc...), and the Great Depression...
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:32 am

Yeah , where in the hell are you getting your textbooks from? Mine was written for Univ. of Chicago...there is well over a page on the massacre at Mai Lai during Vietnam...there are sections where the book is critical of the U.S. for delayed involvement in WWII...and even sections where our bombing tactics in Vietnam were criticised...Maybe you're just using the 1960's version textbooks or something=P
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:36 am

Don't forget that Vietnam was effectively airbrushed out of US history until it was 'rehabilitated' by President Reagan. Given Mai Lai, there can be no doubt that even well trained troops can snap if provoked; so I wouldn't discount out of hand the possibility that the video could well be kosher.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:55 am

Alpha 1,

Keep in mind, it's probably a bunch of left-wing bullshit.

Why?

And if this does turn out to be the idiocy I'm sure it is, who has damaged the friendship between the U.S. and Germany?

What if it turns out to be true?

And you don't think the E.U. is a Socialist-Leaning entity? Riight.

And yet again the Americans identify soclialism with some sort of communist anti-Americanism... WRONG!!!!

Look, it's pretty simple: You have not seen this movie, and neither have I. So any speculation about it being truthful or total BS is irrellevant. We simply don't know and have absolutely NOTHING to base either opinion on. So saying things like 'It's probably true' is wrong and baseless, but so is saying 'it's probably a bunch of left-wing bullshit', for the exact same reasons.

Now what should be done with this? Well, IF the allegations made by this filmmaker (regardless of his political leaning) are serious and supported by any evidence (not having seen the movie, I have no idea if this is the case) then an investigation into these supposed war crimes should be started. If it turns out to be nothing more than a lame attempt to stir things up, without anything even remotely reeking of evidence, then I say slap the filmmaker across the face and move on... Fact is as of now we have no idea which of the two we're dealing with here.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:55 am

I agree with much of what KAUS said. Humans are fallible, and will make bad and irrational decisions; on the other hand, they will make bad and rational decisions (rational, meaning in their interests).

The US is the sole superpower, so it does pretty much what it likes, and what it thinks is best. If Kenya was the superpower, the same would occur.

I guess the best the rest of the world can do, is to try and understand the reasons behind America's policies and actions, and then to try and communicate any reservations diplomatically, rather than just shout "all you are interested in is money, nothing else!"

The world ain't perfect, but we can try to make it less imperfect  Big grin (wow, what a statement......  Insane )

As for the closest model of an ideal govt and society, I generally look to Scandinavia and the Netherlands!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:57 am

They have their right to show it and hey you never know it its true or not... You can't just jump to conclusions... once they prove it is fake or wrong then we can reconsider.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 7:11 am

Is this anything to do with the American 'academic' who estimated that America had killed 3000 Afghan civilians without having stepped outside the US?
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:33 am

Don't forget that Vietnam was effectively airbrushed out of US history until it was 'rehabilitated' by President Reagan.

What the heck does that mean?

In the U.S., nothing is "airbrushed", or conveniently forgotten. That is antithesis to American culture. Everything is out in the open and painted orange, hashed and rehashed, debated, dissected and picked over.
Maybe other countries are shy or are in denial about past mistakes or transgressions, just don't assume that applies to us.

The US is the sole superpower, so it does pretty much what it likes, and what it thinks is best. If Kenya was the superpower, the same would occur.

This strikes me as silly and simplistic. If the old USSR was the sole remaining superpower, do you feel it would be as benevolent as the U.S?
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:54 am

Don't get it wrong Ndebele, I have nothing against American people. It's only their government that has (often) an unacceptable behaviour and a lot of hypocrisy.

Then you do have something against the American people, because the people in Washington, however imperfectly, represent the American people to the world.

Don't forget that Vietnam was effectively airbrushed out of US history until it was 'rehabilitated' by President Reagan.

ROTFL, SAS23. Shows what little you know. Vietnam was so deeply ingrained in the American phychie from the end of the war through the early 90's, that the U.S. was almost afraid to use ANY military force, simply because the American people didn't want to see another 50,000 U.S. casualties in a conflict where the government didn't go into win. It was the reason the War Powers act was passed-to try to "control" a president. Again, you show you utter lack of knowledge on a subject.

Given Mai Lai, there can be no doubt that even well trained troops can snap if provoked; so I wouldn't discount out of hand the possibility that the video could well be kosher.

Of course you want it to be "kosher" (funny term from an anti-Israeli like yourself  Big grin ) Nothing would please you more. But I have news for you-the Americans don't act like your wonderful Palestinan terrorists or Al Quaeda, SAS23.

Alpha 1,

Keep in mind, it's probably a bunch of left-wing bullshit.

Why?


Consider he source-a far-left wing German group, formerlly with a stronghold in East Germany. Get a clue.

What if it turns out to be true?

It's not true, Scorpio-I know in my heart of hearts this is just socialist propoganda. So, much as you'd like it to be true, it's not. Don't get your hopes up.





 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:21 am

>>Don't forget that Vietnam was effectively airbrushed out of US history<<

Ugh, have you ever been to Washington DC?

There is a huge wall right in the middle of the city that reminds everyone of that war.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:08 pm

Looks like we in the UK will be able to judge for ourselves how true this is as the documentary is to be screened on British television next week according to this report: http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=648372002

No wonder the Yanks don't want to participate in the International Court ... they'd be first in the dock along with their Israeli allies!  Big grin
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 7:48 pm

FDXmech

When I say "what they think is best" or "what it likes" that means WHATEVER they like, benelovent or not. The point isn't whether a county's actions or policies are morally correct or not, it's the ability of that country to execute those policies or actions unilaterally, without the support of other countries.

In that case, the US is perhaps the only country which is able to pull off major unilateralist manouevres without incurring economic hardship, or incurring significant internal protest. The latter is because a significant number of Americans believe it is their duty to be patriotic and defend their country from most, if not all criticism.

And by the way, that's not a criticism, it's an observation.

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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 7:49 pm

I hope our soldiers did commit these "attrocities". Paybacks a bitch aint it? We need to follow the Geneva convention when these F*ckers are killing civilians in hi rise builidings with jetliners? NOT

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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 7:52 pm

Paybacks a bitch aint it?

Damm straight.

I love it when SAS23 is talking out of his fifth point of contact.

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Jetpilot

Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:34 pm

JETPILOT: I hope our soldiers did commit these "attrocities". Paybacks a bitch aint it? We need to follow the Geneva convention when these F*ckers are killing civilians in hi rise builidings with jetliners? NOT

You´re just illustrating why the basic plausibility is there. So the allegations will have to be checked out.

I still hope they are not based on facts.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:38 pm

I think JETPILOT was referring to the terrorists. Do you have a problem with the USA wiping out terrorists klaus?

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Fri Jun 14, 2002 9:18 pm

Capt.Picard-

>>The latter is because a significant number of Americans believe it is their duty to be patriotic and defend their country from most, if not all criticism.<<

Obviously you don't live here. All of us speak with our own minds. If we were so patriotic about defending our country GW would have 100% approval ratings, but he does not.

Again, what do you think happened during the Vietnam War, when millions of people protested against it?

There are some of us who don't learn as much about foreign policies, but then there are those who are WORLDWIDE experts in their fields.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 9:40 pm

Funny, Germany still hasn't come to terms with one of the three worst cases of attempted genocide in the last 100 years and the United States is being blasted for supposedly killing a few thousand people. Until Germany can truly admit to what happened from 1933 until the American (British & Russians as well) put a stop to it in 1945, you have no right to criticize the United States for a rumored small number of civilian casualties.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 9:45 pm

B757300-

I think Germany came to terms with what happened there.

There was a movement not long ago in Germany that tried to keep all mention of Nazis out of the history books. Everyone in Germany regrets that WWII happened.
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:07 pm

No wonder the Yanks don't want to participate in the International Court ... they'd be first in the dock along with their Israeli allies!

You're such a donkey's rear-end, SAS23. Once AGAIN, you mention Israel where it isn't even involved in the discussion. You're shameful. And this is EXACTLY the reason we don't participate-because of the fact that so many people would LOVE to haul a Yank soldier in front of this excuse of a court because that's their goal in life. I'm sure this left-wing fringe party in Germany would love that, as would the likes of you, SAS23.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:45 pm

The problem lies in the fact that they ARE trying to remove the German Nazi history from history books. History we forget we are doomed to repeat itself.

Anyone know where I can sign up to commit war etrocities on terrorists?

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Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:57 pm

LOL jetpilot that was a good one!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:01 pm

"Funny, Germany still hasn't come to terms with one of the three worst cases of attempted genocide in the last 100 years and the United States is being blasted for supposedly killing a few thousand people. Until Germany can truly admit to what happened from 1933 until the American (British & Russians as well) put a stop to it in 1945, you have no right to criticize the United States for a rumored small number of civilian casualties. "

You don't know anything about Germany, moron.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:06 pm

You don't know anything about Germany, moron.

Wow, Racko, what a GREAT comeback! I mean, how long did it take you to think that up? Truth hurts. Far too many people in Germany-and in Japan-have still not come to grips with their murderous pasts in the 1930's and 1940's. I think of the two, Germany HAS done a better job at dealing with their Hitler-led, Nazi past, than Japan has done in dealing with the atrocities their Empire committed. But having said that, Germany still tries to sweep it under the rug whenever possible. But that's human nature. Yet for these former Communist louts, who supported one of the biggest murdering regimes ever-the Soviet Union-to try to get the world worked up over what I think is just a piece of fiction, is like the pot calling the kettle black.

And Racko, don't think so hard next time. It's not good for you.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:08 pm

Very profound Racko.

And you want people to take you seriously?
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Alpha 1

Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:24 pm

Alpha 1: I think of the two, Germany HAS done a better job at dealing with their Hitler-led, Nazi past, than Japan has done in dealing with the atrocities their Empire committed.

Indeed. I´ve not yet seen leading german politicians praying at shrines erected in honour of war criminals...

Alpha 1: But having said that, Germany still tries to sweep it under the rug whenever possible.

Oh, interesting. I´ve not noticed that during the mere 39 years I´m living here. For some reason, I´ve only seen an almost masochistic obsession with that horrifying period.

Maybe you can contribute some enlightening information here.
 
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RE: Documentary Of US 'war Crimes' Shocks Europe

Sat Jun 15, 2002 3:33 am

Alpha1, Marco, how long have you lived in Germany ?

You simply have no clue about today's Germany, you've seen some bad american movies with Germans shouthing "Achtung, Blitzkrieg" the whole day, and now you think you know everything about Germany.

There are very small neo-nazi groups in Germany (far less than in other countries because of the strict laws) who deny the existence of the Holocaust, 99,9% know and regret what happened in Nazigermany. But what should we do to satisfy you, all wearing "We commited the Holocaust" shirts the whole day? Name all streets "We are sorry street" ?

Sorry, but I haven't seen something like that in the USA about slavery, still I would never say the USA tries to hide the slavery.


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