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US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:48 am

The US congress has adopted a motion yesterday that would make Antonio Meucci the inventor of the telephone. The congress stated that Meucci did not patent it's invention because he didn't had the money to pay the 10$ fee.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020621/6/n7k7.html

IMO the US congress is trying to change history just because they didn't like the idea of the telephone not being invented by an American. So almost a century later they come up with idiotic speculations (are there any facts?) that Meucci invented the telephone, and the even more idiotic excuse of not being able to pay the patent fee. I would like to know how the US would react if they learned that the Wright Brother were not the first to fly but that Richard Pearse, a Kiwi flew his aircraft 9 month before the Wrights.

http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html

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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:11 am

Always amusing that Canadians claim Bell, as for Pearce being the first to fly doesn't everyone know that ?

Are there any other claimants as first to fly ?
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:08 am

The Wright Brothers were the first to fly. In fact a small piece from the Wright Flyer is currently resting on the surface of the moon.

You can't enter the recordbooks with statements like these:

>>There is uncertainty about whether it met the definitions of sustained flight<<

Or a nickname like this:

>>"Bamboo Dick"<<
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:22 am

IMO the US congress is trying to change history just because they didn't like the idea of the telephone not being invented by an American. So almost a century later they come up with idiotic speculations (are there any facts?) that Meucci invented the telephone, and the even more idiotic excuse of not being able to pay the patent fee.

What's funny is that the vast majority of Americans, if told about Meucci, would think he was Italian, while at the same time they think Alexander Graham Bell was an American.
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:52 am

What would I give to have a nickname like 'bamboo dick'. Pearse deserves a place in history on that basis alone !

Pan Am what exactly is sustained flight ? How did the Wright's achieve it and Pearce not ? 140 metres from a standing start ....
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:41 am

As I piece together the referenced documents, it appears that Pearse only had a handful of casual witnesses and did not publicize his flight until later. The Wright Brothers had lined up all sorts of witnesses beforehand and performed their feat in front of the media. That made instant headlines.

The Wright Brothers continued developing powered flight with financial backing. Bamboo Dick, on the other hand, was merely a "flash in the pan". While their first flight may have been a few months later, the Wright Brothers had a major impact on aviation, that's why they are credited with being first. Frankly, even I haven't heard of Pearse (until yesterday), even though I have been an avid aviation fan for 40 years. And I do not confine my reading to US journals.

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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:33 am

The government is always right and never lies!  Yeah sure
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:41 am

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:50 am

Don't forget that it was the Yanks that invented the jet engine, with the Boeing 707 being the world's first jetliner...
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:50 am

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.

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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:00 am

What it all comes down to of course is that the Americans invented the US patent office (or at least patented it Big grin).
Since Americans think only things registered with the US patent office have been invented, they are right under their own (possibly perverted) logic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:28 am

SAS23,
The 707 (model 367-80, first test flight: July 15, 1954) wasn't the first jetliner--the DeHavilland Comet (first revenue flight: May 2, 1952) was! (And it was British!  Big grin)
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:48 am

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.

Don't be such a snide jerk. I agree with you but the way you said it is just rude and meant to be offensive to Americans.
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:37 am

Mmm , No need to be rude people...although I would challenge that Kiwi on the first flight...No hard evidence to prove it...My bet is still on the wright brothers...
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:01 am

They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press...

This is an outrage and completely false. Of course the U.S. didn't invent the steam engine................we just invented.... the steam.
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:10 am

Being a Bostonian, we're quite proud that our city is home to the invention of the telephone and also site of the first telephone call, being made at Bowdoin Square. Now, because of the historical links between my city and the telephone, I could give crap where Bell was born, he's the true inventor of the telephone and the US government can shove Meucci up their rear-ends.  Smile

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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:25 am

Now, because of the historical links between my city and the telephone, I could give crap where Bell was born, he's the true inventor of the telephone and the US government can shove Meucci up their rear-ends.

ROTFL. Of course, if you ask the U.S. government to do that, LH423, you have to go through government procurment, and we all know someone will lose the request for the government to shove it up their rear-ends, and by the time they get the message, you and I will be dead anyway.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:07 am

I found a reference about Meucci on an Italian-American website. If true, he would indeed be the first inventor of the telephone. It was in 1849, in Cuba; since Meucci was born in Italy and only immigrated to the US in 1850, then the telephone could not be considered an American invention.

If this is true, Congress would not be "rewriting history" but correcting the accounts of history, since history is what it is. Also, it cannot be said that Congress is doing this to "Americanize" the invention of the telephone, since Meucci had even less ties to the US (at the time of the invention) than did Bell. However, it's difficult to determine the truth of this account, since there is probably a scarcity of documentation, and the web site I found does not provide any other references.

In any event, it seems that Bell invented the telephone independently, and was certainly instrumental in commercializing it, while Meucci did virtually nothing with it. (analogous to the Wright Bros. vs. Pearse on powered flight)

Anyway, here's the link, draw your own conclusions.....

http://www.italianhistorical.org/MeucciStory.htm

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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:25 am

Everything has a reason...let's talk demographics here:

Italian Americans make up an important "swing" vote bloc. Socially conservative but with an inherent distrust of establishment, they were a reliable Democratic voting constituency....that is, 30 years or more ago when they were still largely blue collar and union. This is a group, however, that has evolved out of those jobs into white collar incomes and suburban values. The Democrats, desperate to try to milk the traditional loyalty, will do anything to keep them. The Republicans, keenly aware of how the Democratic Party is abandoning them by courting fools like Al Sharpton, are looking to relate to them.

Look for more "payoffs" to vote-prone constituencies. The one I dread is the one the religious "right" wants...a proclaimation that the United States was founded by Christians as a "Christian country." Watch the fireworks fly when that happens!
 
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:49 am

Heavymetal-

I don't think anyone will change their vote due to the inventor of the telephone.
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RE: US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts

Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:21 am

I don't think anyone will change their vote due to the inventor of the telephone.

Pan Am...

Trust me, if Congress did it, that means poterntial votes were involved.

Think of it as a marketing ploy. A tv commercial might not make you buy a certain car, but it will modify your impression of it.

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