One example that the US sets that is obvious by these threads is in having their country founded on the basis of a document written over 200 hundred years ago, which surprise, surprise, comes into constant conflict with a society which has changed vastly since it was written.
So, Pacificjourney, we should just shuck it because sometimes it can seem like a conflict? That's a cowards way our-the easy way out, and obviously you know nothing about the Constitution and he Bill of Rights, which 200 years ago were radically different ideas about governance, and which today is still the envy of most of the world that can't match whats in that document. No thanks. We'll keep it. And besides, if we feel there's truly a need to update it, we have the ability to amend it.
Why should non-believers have to ignore references to God?
Hepkat, why should believers be FORCED to ignore references to a God they believe in because some athiests don't like it? That's very (and typically) hypocritical for you to say it. WHY should a small minority be protected from being offended, but it's ok for the majority to be offended by these actions. That's just idiocy that you're supporting.
Better yet, why not just have neutral wording? This is something both the believer and the non-believer can accept.
You're certainly one of the world's great fence-sitters, Hepkat. You're perfect for the PC crowd because you don't believe in offending anyone, unless they hold a majority position. This isn't a neutral world, and the majority of citizens in the U.S. should not have to give up long-standing traditions just because of a few malcontents.
Marco, why should belivers of religion by upset by neutral wording of the POA? What's upsetting about having to say "One Nation"?
Because they realize a small minority of malcontents are trying to tell THEM what they can and cannot say. If these idiots don't like the pledge-if YOU don't like the Pledge-DON'T RECITE IT!! BUT DON'T TELL THE REST OF US WE CAN'T RECITE THE PLEDGE AS IT IS!
And to the author of the thread: If you don't like our references to God, Erasmus, that's just too damned bad, isn't it? You're not an American, so why does it bother you so much? Maybe you want to live in an athiestic, Godless society, you can, but don't go critisizing the rest of us in the U.S. who believe in God, and want His presence in the life of this country, even if it's only in a SYMBOLIC fashion. It's insulting to be preached to by someone who doesn't undersand what he's talking about.
And, again, it doesn't matter. This utterly insane ruling by a bunch of far left-wing justices will not stand the test of time. It will be ignored in any event from coast to coast, because the American people are smart enough to see it for what it is-a power play to dictate to the American people what they can and cannot say. If you do not want to say "Under God", or recite the pledge at all, that is fine, and NO ONE should force you to do other wise, but don't have the audacity to FORCE ME to leave it out.