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Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:31 am

Another disturbing incident.

The Oklahoman website reports the details here.

From what BBC NEWS showed on the 2200 news program on BBC 1 (United Kingdom only), two policemen used batons against a man who was lying on the floor and making no attempt to resist arrest.

The newspaper reports that he first resisted arrest. The man was also reported to have been sprayed with pepper spray.

A video can be shown here.
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david b.
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:39 am

Cops will be cops

Seems to me these days, everyone is trying to copy the NYPD.
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:44 am

Ahh David B,

"Cops will be cops"

I'm a Police Detective Sergeant and I don't ever remember beating someone while they're lying on the floor after being pepper sprayed.
Or even giving someone a whack while they're face down on the car in handcuffs for that matter.  Smile
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:47 am

Though it seems that there could be a significant minority of 'police officers' who engage in such disgusting activities, I think that generalisation all police officers of such crimes against humans as a little OTT. I am sure Alpha_1 agrees with me.

The video clip does not work if you have 56K modem.
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:48 am

Yes but your from New Zealand.
US is different as you can see.
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:54 am

LOL....Are you saying the cops here are angels??
Yeah right!! Big grin
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:08 am

Hey look, and I think Singapore_Air was trying to say this as well. There are how many cops in the US? They dealwith how many cases daily? In any group of people, you will have the rouge cop, or the shady stock trader, or the corrupt accounting firm. To judge the hundreds of thousands of cops plus on the the actions of a few is too much. Its sad when the Media will give next to no attention to the heroic activities of cops, but when one goes stupid, its all over the place. To generalize the NYPD as some clown did above, or the LAPD, or the Casper Wyoming PD is absurd. The actions of a small minority, while deplorable, should not be used to generalize and associate all officers with.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:16 am

"To generalize the NYPD as some clown did above, or the LAPD, or the Casper Wyoming PD is absurd".

Well Kroc generalizing people by using other characterizes is wrong too don't you think?
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:39 am

I wasn't calling you a clown in the sense of the word. I called you a clown yes, but more like I was referring to your statement as being clownish. I don't know you, therefore I can't and won't judge you as a whole.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:26 am

What is wrong with you people! At first this officer was alone with a man at least double his size, the damn suspect would not put his hand behind his back, what was the officer supposed to do? If the man is not handcuffed, he can use that free hand to: 1. Puch or hit the officer 2. Pull out a gun or knife 3. Throw away drugs (of which he had a sh*tload in his mouth), these officers did exactly what they were supposed to! I am so sick of this liberal bullsh*t!!!

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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:40 am

GD727, left to you, we'd live in a police state.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:54 am

Alpha 1: Well what is the cop supposed to do if he can't get the guy to put his hands behind his back? Say "Put your hands behind your back or, I'll tell you to put your hands behind your back again!", if you see the video, you can see he tried to get the guy to put his hands behind his back without violence for a while and it didn't work!

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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:37 am

So now it's a suspicious event to be big is it GD727 ? I had better beware of you ?

If I feel a police man is arresting me without cause I am not putting my hands behind my back either. Christ, look what happens once they get the cuffs on you !

FYI US and Canada are the only 2 developed places I now where the police use handcuffs as a matter of routine. Perhaps that is the problem ?

Your assumption is of guilt on the part of the arrested i.e. he should do as told or deserve what he gets. Due to their past and recent behaviour the arrestee is also no longer trusted either and for that cetain police forces have only themselves to blame !
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:07 pm

While what I saw on the Inglewood video disgusted me, I see ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the officers conduct in this video. The suspect clearly wasn't following the officer's orders here. If the suspect was completely passive & layed on the ground as told, none of this would've happened. I sincerely hope (didn't have a chance to read the article) that the officer suffered no undure repercussions from this. The suspect was clearly resisting.

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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:14 pm

Here in the Santa Clara County area of California, the law enforcement authorities are NOT in the business of beating up every suspect in sight. Why do you think they spent a fortune in buying non-lethal means to put down suspects? That's why the police departments in Santa Clara County are so well-respected.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:19 pm

Alpha 1: Well what is the cop supposed to do if he can't get the guy to put his hands behind his back?

GD727, I'm not arguing that point, but you seem to take the police side no matted what-case in point the Inglewood situation. You seem to have no problem with them punchng and abusing this kid AFTER he was handcuffed and prone on the car. My point is you seem to almost welcome this kind of behavior towards people. I don't see much wrong with this instance here, but you seem to be awfully quick to always jump to the side of the police.

Although if it were up to people like Pacificjourney, he'd let the criminals run this place, from the way he sounds.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:39 pm

Are we avoiding the question or should we continue to watch this arguably egoistic brawl?
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 12:36 am

Hitting a suspect while in handcuffs is a big no no in any cop rule book.

None of these videos show what happened leading up to the beating incident.

For the incident in Oklahoma, The suspect was 6'1 and well over 300 pounds and the officer was 5'5 or something 160 pounds. He had to equalize the situation with his baton. The suspect wasn't following orders, had he been following orders things would of turned out differently.


 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 12:44 am

I can't get the video to work on my comp but I've read that news report and from what I can gather, the Police in this case did nothing wrong.
If an offender is resisting arrest, then officers have every right to use "reasonable force" in order to effect that arrest.
If the arrest is unwarranted or if the force used is unreasonable, then that will be decided later by a judge.  Smile
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:05 am

It's unfortunate that the video doesn't work for non broadband users.

I did not / cannot see what happenned leading to the arrest, however it is apparent that after being sprayed by pepper spray etc.. two officers beat him while the suspect seemingly willingly went tot he ground for a beating.

Reasonable force when a person seems to have put himself on the ground and beating that person with two baton sticks is an intriguing prospect. Personally, I hope it does not become normal protocol around the world.
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:13 am

Singapore_Air,

I gather from the report that he was struck and sprayed in an attemp to get him onto the ground and it clearly states that once he was handcuffed, he was not struck.
But as I say, I haven't got the benefit of that video.
I might see if it works on my computer at home.
 
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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:27 am

I watched this video and truly felt for that officer. This was no way police brutality. The suspect was HUGE compared to the little officer. He was obviously struggling to get this guy down. Sounds like this suspect cried police brutality just because someone else did earlier in the week. LOL


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RE: Oklahoma Police Caught Using Excessive Force

Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:13 am

Okay, you know what? I thought about the Inglewood incident after watching the video last night on the news, and yes, the Inglewood Police did have no reason to beat the kid, I admit it. But this Oklahoma City thing, the guy would not put his hand behind his back! The guy was much bigger than the officer, so the officer could not overpower him to apprehend him! The officer tried very hard to apprehend the suspect without force, but he kept resisting, so what was he supposed to do, let him go? The officer tried to apprehend the suppect without violence, but it didn't work, so what was he supposed to do, let the guy go!?

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