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Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 3:00 pm

There has been so much second guessing of policemen recently because of inaccurate suspicions they are racists, it has finally led to a terrible tragedy.

A white King County, Washington (Seattle) Sheriff's Deputy was killed three weeks ago by a violent black man who had a history of making trouble and antagonizing policment. The Deputy Richard Herzog was shot after he tried to restrain the man who had been running naked through traffic. The Deputy used pepper spray but was knocked to the ground and lost his holstered weapon to the man who grabbed it and repeatedly shot the Deputy in front of nearly 50 people.

King County Sheriff Dave Reichert and other law enforcement agencies raised the question whether Deputy Herzog had feared using his gun on the black man out of concern that he might be criticized later.

Even the black County Executive Ron Sims said he believed the deputy had been inhibited from using force because of fears of racial reprisal.

If blacks are going to concentrate on race issues, they should be more concerned about disparity in education achievement, and health care, etc... then using shootings of criminals as emotional rallying cries.

thoughts?
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 3:05 pm

the black guy was obviously a racist...he would never have shot a black cop would he... Insane
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 3:07 pm

I agree. Although the LA cop currently caught on video swinging a punch was definitely acting "unprofessional", his behavior was hardly unjustified. This black kid grabbed his balls and seemed to be cruisin' for a bruisin'. Respect for the law and those that enforce it should go hand in hand. Anyone who goes up and assaults an officer (yes grabbing a person's balls constitutes assault) should be subdued in whatever manner possible. I'm glad he got punched in the face.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 4:03 pm

"thoughts?"

Yes, I have some. Not all cops are racists so I don't know what your point really is.  Confused

The examples you have given above show that those black people are likely to be racist. However neither the examples you gave, nor the recent incidents in Inglewood or the state of Oklahoma justify any beating.
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:04 pm

I agree. Everywhere there are "bad professionals" and I hope they pay for their bad actions. But don't forget the thousands of cops that everyday risk their life to offer us a safer world.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:20 pm

Well this cop ain't racist. I'm of Polynesian/English/French extraction and I just HATE it when an incident requires me to carry a gun. (Cops here are not routinely armed).
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sat Jul 13, 2002 11:14 pm

nor the recent incidents in Inglewood or the state of Oklahoma justify any beating In Inglewood, okay, the cops overreacted a little bit. But in Oklanhoma City, the officer tried repetedly to get the suspect to put his hands behind his back, but he would not do it, what was the cop supposed to do, give up and let the guy go?

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:04 am

If blacks are going to concentrate on race issues, they should be more concerned about disparity in education achievement, and health care, etc... then using shootings of criminals as emotional rallying cries.

Disparities in educational achievement between whites and African Americans are prevalent because of the horrendously underfunded and neglected inner city schools that many African Americans attend. Last I checked, all major African American leaders have used this, and the health care issue, as a rallying cry so I don't see why you think that they don't and why you think you should be the one to tell African Americans what issues they should and should not focus on. I have never gotten the impression from Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, etc., etc., that they wish to portray all cops as racist. However, the fact of the matter is that some cops are racist and that, whether we like it or not, racial profiling of suspects does exist. .

In your words African Americans are you "using the shootings of criminals as emotional rallying cries." African Americans leaders are not fighting the maltreatment of criminals but rather, what they perceive to be the maltreatment of ALL African American individuals, guilty or not, at the hands of certain police officers and departments. Anyway, please explain to me what crime Amada Diallo was guilty of that justified his body being riddled by 40 bullets? Please explain what heinous crime Abner Louima was guilty of that justified his being sodomized by broom stick in a police station?
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:09 am

The examples you have given above show that those black people are likely to be racist

eh? Just because one man is violent towards another, doesn't necassarily (and in most cases) mean that they are racist, just because the colour of their skin is different...

I agree, being a cop is a very tough job, in the heat of the moment it is very easy to lose your temper, especially when you don't have anything to do with whats going on, but its your duty to stop it. If someone is getting physical with you, when you are only doing what you get paid to do, its quite easy to get carried away...

The example posted could be quite saddening, if true. The thought that a man could lose his life doing his job in such a way that it doesn't make him look like a racist, is just sickening, especially when it could have been avoided  Sad.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:23 am

The example from King County was, in fact true:
http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=16311

 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:31 am

of course it was, why else would I post it?

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 4:00 am

Very good statement OA.

Are they all like that TWA?

Are you saying that all "those People" are using shootings as a excuse to rally? Anyway, please explain to me what crime Amada Diallo was guilty of that justified his body being riddled by 40 bullets? Please explain what heinous crime Abner Louima was guilty of that justified his being sodomized by broom stick in a police station?

Please explain that to us.

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 1:49 pm

Apathoid..
the black guy was obviously a racist...he would never have shot a black cop would he

Where do you get that from? No one has any clue if this animal would have shot a black cop or not. The point is he shot a white one who may have been weary of using full force to effectively aprehend the criminal because of concern over race issues.

Singapore_Air....
Not all cops are racists so I don't know what your point really is.

That is my point.

The examples you have given above show that those black people are likely to be racist.

No they don't. Where do you get that from?

NZ767...
Well this cop ain't racist.
Of course he wasn't, but he was afraid that if pulled his gun on this animal, he would have been branded racist. See how sick this is?

OA412.....
Disparities in educational achievement between whites and African Americans are prevalent because of the horrendously underfunded and neglected inner city schools that many African Americans attend.

While I reluctantly agree, your point is part of a larger one. African Americans are getting second-rate educations compared to whites, and it is this issue, this concern black leaders should be concerned and emotional about, not defending criminal animals.

hy you think you should be the one to tell African Americans what issues they should and should not focus on.

Woah. Whats with the personal attack? You either agree African Americans should focus on more important issues like education, health, economic prosperity, etc.. or you disagree. I don't care if you think I should or should not be the one who tells the African Americans, I am not in any position to do either. It's simply my opinion and you can agree or disagree, but no need to rudely attack. ok?

have never gotten the impression from Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, etc., etc., that they wish to portray all cops as racist.

Agreed. No one wishes to portray all cops as racists, but after some of these unfortunate shootings of black criminals including several in that King County in Washington black leaders used the bottled up emotion and frustration to attack and instill ubderlying doubt in police departments which I think prevents policemen from doing effective jobs as this example sadly illustrates.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:37 pm

TWA,
'EGGD' wrote: "The example posted could be quite saddening, if true."

'Theiler' wrote: "The example from King County was, in fact true. "[URL included]

Hence my response. I agree with most of what you've said, thus far.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Sun Jul 14, 2002 8:23 pm

Twaneedsnohelp,

"Well this cop ain't racist."

Sorry Russ, I was actually referring to myself there rather than the cop in Seattle.
I should've made that clear.

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 6:59 am

I am always confused by this idea that african-americans are somehow less educated than anglo-americans. Schools are not segregated. The curriculum is the same.
The true problem is one of poverty. Most school funds are raised by property taxes, but there are minimum levels of funding for each state.
North american schools in general are a joke. It's like a continuation of pre-school with colorful lessons and little or no discipline. And worse in this society where it's the cardinal sin to do anything to hurt little jerkoff's self esteem nobody has the balls to punish the kids, and when the teachers even give detention or the like the brat's parents stick up for them.
I turned out better because I was spanked when I did something stupid. Not injured or beat relentlessly with a pole or something, just a little physical reminder on my back-side. If time-out is used consistently and enforced religiosly it *can* be effective as an alternitive for *some* children.
There's a lot more to this, it does supercede all races.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:20 am

Sorry Russ, I was actually referring to myself there rather than the cop in Seattle.
I should've made that clear.


oh haha, of course. Sorry for the confusion. Glad to hear it!

Jessman, there are a load of inacuracies in your posting. While American schools have their share of problems, the are hardly a "joke". A terribly broad and very inaccurate statment.

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:37 am

I just got out of US public schools a little over three years ago. In my experience they did not do nearly enough to prepare me for college much less for real life. The US is one of the most technologically advanced culture in the world but we are below the middle of the pack when science and math knowledge is tested and compared with other industrialized countries. We have students that graduate high school who can't read, something like 3%, that's too many.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:45 am

tens of millions of people have gotten out of public schools, that doesn't make them experts on US education. sorry!

yeah so there are some bad apples. there are bad apples all over, even in japan where student suicide is en vogue right now. Whats important is that despite a upper-mediocre primary education system, our country still has a significant competitive advantage over when other counties in terms of upper level education, culture, intelcuatal thought, professional education.

people complain about our education for decades and decade. these things iron themselves out. the creme rise to the top.

could it be better? sure. are american schools such a "joke" where its inhibitng our country's ability to grow, prosper, and suceed? no way in hell.

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 11:55 am

I don't think it will hinder our country unless we crack down on immigration/visas. You know like my cousin's husband who keeps his Japanese and Panamanian citizenships, but still works over here as an aerospace engineer. My supervisor from Egypt. My college class friends from France, Morocco, Germany, India(lots of folks from india around here), peru, etc. While the vast majority of my acquaintances from high school look forward to nothing more than smoking their next joint.
In my (predominantly white) school the students treated the teachers with little or no respect, homework could be turned in late and the teachers had compassion. So few students knew the difference between the subject and the object that explaining when to use "who or whom" or "I or me"
Student's can't simplify easy rational equations.
Newton's laws are generally not known.
But by God we make sure they know that if "Heather Has Two Mommies" thats OK.  Insane
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:02 pm

so those idiot white kids will work at texaco and your class friends and supervisor will work on wall street.

those who want it can get it. unlike in the arab world, africa, south america, parts of europe, central asia, etc... smart people are magnetically attracted to the US, so they'll come and help us be great. if the people who live here don't realize the good fortune they've got, they'll get screwed or they'll wake up.

its that simple, I'm not worred. trust me. if your concerned about "white americans" don't be. theres plenty of brilliant white americans too. without boasting, i got a pretty competitive american university, and i know more "anglo americans" than I'd care to think about who are absolutely brilliant, make me look like a piece of horse dung.

it all works out in the end. we've got a terrific society here, only good things coming. we're in good hands pal.

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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:09 pm

It's like when a black person gets shot or something like that by a cop here in the chicago land area, the people that are interviewed always say "RACISM" and stuff like that. I love when like a black person kills a cop (not that part) and another cop kills the black person and the mom of the black person says "RACISM" and "HE WAS A GOOD KID. HE DIDNT DO NOTHIN' WRONG. HE WAS KILLED CAUSE HE WAS BLACK."

I always yell at the TV, "No, he was killed cause he killed a cop. If you raised him better then this wouldn't have happened."
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:16 pm

put yourselves in their shoes will you. are you white?
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:45 pm

Sorry, TNNH; I'm more than slightly jaded by my own experiences. I will agree to disagree.
 
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:48 pm

explain please what you mean.
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RE: Stop Painting Cops As Racists

Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:03 am

While I reluctantly agree, your point is part of a larger one. African Americans are getting second-rate educations compared to whites, and it is this issue, this concern black leaders should be concerned and emotional about, not defending criminal animals.

I reiterate, all major African American leaders are concerned about the second-rate education that black children are receiving. I don't know why you insist that they are somehow overlooking it to "defend criminal animals." Since you did not answer my questions in my original post I'll ask them again, how was Amadou Diallo (unarmed man shot 41 times by 4 NYPD officers a criminal)? What terrible thing did Abner Louima (Haitian immigrant arrested outside Brooklyn nightclub then tortured and sodomized in a precinct bathroom) do that deserved the punishment he received? Was it really necessary to slam the face of a 16-year-old Inglewood boy into a squad car and punch him after 5 grown men have already restrained the kid? Rodney King was a piece of shit but his being high on Cocaine and his being stopped for a traffic violation did not justify the beating he endured by the LAPD. You keep insisting that African American leaders are defending criminals, please show me what crime (at least two of these individuals weren't really even guilty of any crime at the time of their beating/killing at the hands of police and one, Amadou Diallo wasn't a criminal to begin with).

Woah. Whats with the personal attack? You either agree African Americans should focus on more important issues like education, health, economic prosperity, etc.. or you disagree. I don't care if you think I should or should not be the one who tells the African Americans, I am not in any position to do either. It's simply my opinion and you can agree or disagree, but no need to rudely attack. ok?

I'm sorry if you found what I said rude but I just find it incredibly arrogant of a 16-20 year old to be lecturing African Americans on what issues they should and should not be focusing on. Do you really believe that you are more qualified then they are to decide what issues are most important?




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