planelover
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Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:14 pm

Hey all,
I had a few question about the Lexus IS300 and Toyota Supra. I read somewhere that the IS300 had an inline 6 engine. Is this true? It doesn't seem to make any sense since, to my knowledge, all other Toyota (and Lexus)3.0 are V6 (I have one in my 4Runner). However, doesn't the Supra have an inline 6? Is that the same engine that is used in the IS300? I have heard many times of people getting in access of 700hp out of a Supra. Does that mean that, theoretically, an IS300 could also produce that much hp?

Anyhow, that's it.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 12:49 pm



Sorry couldnt resist. This post is now officially RICE
 
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 2:03 pm

Why is this post rice? Do you know what the term "Rice" means when it's used to talk about a car?
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 2:23 pm

Straight sixes are very common in rear-drive Toyota products. The old Cressidas, Supras, the SC300, GS300, IS300 all have straight-sixes.

The newer I-6's used in the rear-driver Lexus and Supra are related... being as they are both 3litre 24 valve twincam engines. But beyond that I don't know what is common.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:14 pm

I think you would need twin turbos on the IS and still would only get 400 max out of it without actually rebuilding the engine.

The IS is a great ride....totally ruined by the lack of shit rubber that they put on the cars. Luckily, it can be fixed for about $1000.
 
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Mon Jul 15, 2002 11:14 pm

Thanks people. I didn't know that the GS300 and SC300 have I6 engines. Does Lexus sell the SC300 in North America? All I have seen are SC400 and SC430 (the new one--ugly). By the way, I also heard that the 4.3 V8 also fits under the hood of the IS300. That would be cool.
Anyhow, anymore input would be great.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 2:17 am

The old, much better looking, SC coupes went out of production in 1998 I believe. The SC and the Supra were also platform mates.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 9:35 am

Neato. I didn't know that the Supra and SC coupe shared the same platform. It does make sense though, now that you mention it. I agree, the old SC was much better looking than the new one. The new one looks like a pregnant SLK230 (or is it 320?--it's the smaller Mercedes with the retractable hardtop).  Big grin Did the old SC come with the 3.0? All the ones I've ever seen have had the 4.0 V8 in them.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 10:53 am

"Why is this post rice? Do you know what the term "Rice" means when it's used to talk about a car?"

Do you really think i just blurt out stuff without knowing what it is?
 
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:05 am

However, doesn't the Supra have an inline 6? Is that the same engine that is used in the IS300? I have heard many times of people getting in access of 700hp out of a Supra. Does that mean that, theoretically, an IS300 could also produce that much hp?

The non-Turbo Supra and IS300 have the same Toyota engine code 2JZ-GE (it is 2JZ-GTE for the twin turbo). One would assume that the engines are mostly the same, at least in regard to exterior architecture...which would mean an engine swap should work in principle. However, serious obstacles may lie in adapting the engine management electronics, shoehorning turbo plumbing into the tight IS300 engine bay, and transmission compatibility. But I'm certain it could be done.
By the way, I also heard that the 4.3 V8 also fits under the hood of the IS300. That would be cool.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:33 pm

KRIC is right. They dubbed the car "IS430".
 
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:54 pm

Hmm... Planelover - I guessed the Inline 6 for the IS300 originated from the IS200, which was surprisingly an Inline 6, not many cars have a 2L inline 6 engine.

The Supra and IS300 are different breeds altogether. Though both are made by Toyota, the Supra is bred as a performance supercar, the NSX of Toyota, while the Lexus IS300 (Intermediate Sedan) isnt really a sports car, just a sporty one. I wont see both having the same engine, cos I feel that the Supra would be a tad more coarse and less refined as the Lexus people want it.

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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:58 pm

OT:
Did anyone see the new Z car in this months Car & Driver? Pretty sweet looking, I for one like the "rice rockets". It takes a lot of time and money, to get those cars looking good.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 3:13 pm

Tsentsan- The Toyota straight sixes are really all the same. I would guess that the 2.0 liter is probably a de-bored and de-stroked version of the 3.0liter. Since the IS, GS, SC and naturally aspirated Supra all carry the same Toyota engine code... I'd wager it is the same engine.

Flyguy1- saw the new Z in Autoweek overhere. It is pretty impressive, though perhaps a tad overweight. I am just waiting to see if a turbocharged or supercharged version will come out (because we all know it will, right???). I am pretty amazed how far that platform is going. If the Z is at least as good as its platformmate the G35 then it will be awesome. Rumor has it that the next generation Skyline GTR will also share that platform... and be imported to the US. Possibly with a hot-rodded version of the Infinti V8.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 3:25 pm

There will be no next generation Skyline GTR.....Z Car will be Nissan's topmost car, which means the Skyline has to make way.
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Tue Jul 16, 2002 9:36 pm

The new Z will be the unabashed success story for the next three to five years. Providing they can keep the cost down, it will eat at the upper market of Celica and Eclipse buyers. This will be particularly true now with the Camaro/Firebird out of the way. I think Z-3/4 and Boxster sales will be affected as well if this car is as promised.

There will be a next generation Skyline GT-R. It was reported in Car and Driver. The last of the existing Skyline GT-R will include a Special Edition--yet to be produced--that reportedly sold out in Japan in less than a day.

I'm not familiar with the Skyline at all--just what I read. I can probably find the item if you wish.
 
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:17 am

Greg brings up a great point. The entire reason why Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi pulled their high-end perfermance cars was that they simply got too expensive. The Supra, 300ZX, 3000GT and to a lesser extent the old MR2 got loaded up with equipment , technology (remember the 3000GT's active aero package???) and got pushed to the $40,000+ price point, and that was 5-7 years ago.

Nissan by having the 350Z start at $26,000 and top out at $36,000 is a smart strategy. The $26,000 car gets you everything you need in a daily driver and a go-fast car. And really costs no more than an Eclipse GTS or a Celica GTS or an RSX type-R. Furthermore it seems like the Z will remain a 2-seater only. Leaving the 2+2 for the G35 coupe, where the Infiniti brand by itself can support the higher price point. As much as I hate to admit it, I don't think we'll see a turbo (so I retract my above post). The high-tech, high-performace model will be the Skyline... with something like a twin-turbo Infiniti V8, All-wheel drive and god knows what else.

Too bad Toyota isn't doing anything to resurrect the Supra. (to get back on topic)
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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Wed Jul 17, 2002 6:51 am

Too bad Toyota isn't doing anything to resurrect the Supra.

Actually, I just read in Car and Driver (or one of those magazines) that the Supra is indeed coming back. Toyota is bringing it back to give the 350Z some competition. It's suppose to be in the 30k range and I believe it's going to be here in a year or two.

A little off topic, but I do love the G35 coupe. It looks much better than the 350Z.

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RE: Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra

Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:47 pm

Looks like I have to throw in my €0.02 of comments!  Smile

The thing about the Lexus IS300 is the fact the car is very fast and handles quite well but the suspension is quite stiff and you will feel road irregularities quite easily. Installing the latest in low-profile tires in the 215/45R-17 size (Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position, Pirelli P Zero Assimetrico, Dunlop SP Sport 9000, Michelin Pilot Sport, Yokohama AVS Sport, Continental ContiSport Contact) may provide better handling but probably not a better ride.  Sad

I do think the Infiniti G35 will be good selling car--it offers a quite roomy interior, excellent performance and very good ride for a quite reasonable price.

As for the US-market version of the Skyline based off the G35 coupe--I've heard they're deciding between a turbocharged version of the current G35 V-6 or the 4.5-liter V-8 from the Q45 saloon. My guess is that the US version of the car will have the 4.5-liter V-8 but the engine will be tuned to nearly 400 bhp. I don't if Americans are ready to drive an Infiniti capable of keeping up with a Porsche 911. Big grin

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