aio86
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Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:51 am

I was looking into Hybrid cars here in the US. I really like the idea of the great gas mileage as well as the environmental benefits. So far the 3 I have found in the states are Honda Civic Hybrid, Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius.

What others do you guys know of that are sold in the states? Do any of you have experience with these cars? Do they drive well. I have a friend who drives a Prius who likes it a lot. Plus there's a $2,000 tax rebate for buying one. The only thing is they are sort of expensive, list price around $20,000.

So any opinions?

Thanks,
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Alessandro
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 6:23 am

Thats it, the best MPG is probably the 2-seated Insight, www.insightcentral.net is a good homepage. The Civic and Prius are 4-seated...
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:17 am

Honda Insight is one hell of an ugly looking thing
 
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 11:08 am

Those are your only choices. One thing to consider is that real world fuel economy is usually much lower than what they advertise. You can buy a VW TDI which gets similar real world fuel economy, they last a long time, and their service history is known. They are reliable cars, although not as reliable as a Japanese car. But the Japanese cars aren't as sturdy and generally don't last as long. I guess the thing about the TDI compared to hybrids is that they pollute more, but I have my reservations about the environmental friendliness of a big battery powering a car. Emissions aren't the only standard which should be looked at.
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 11:29 am

What is the deal with the styling of Hybrids anyway? I think alot more people would go for them if they weren't so hideous and stood out like Michael Jackson standing next to his brothers.

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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 11:51 am

There is so much more that you could get for UNDER 20,000$ dollars and still get good mileage, along with a better car. It seems like wasting money to me.
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 12:00 pm

Automobile magazine did a test of the Insight, Prius and the VW Lupo 3L in a cross-country trip. I don't remember the issue but it was within the 12 months.

In their combined driving loop the Prius did somewhat better than say a plain old Corrolla. Which in their opinion was probably a better way to go. With a wide variety of compact cars in the sub $20,000 price range that are ULEV vehicles and can easily get 30+mpg IN THE CITY you might be better off. Though I think if you are really interested you should do more research about the hybrids and see if there are other major difference, like lower emissions vs ULEV vehicles and what sort of long-term support Honda or Toyota will offer you. Which in my mind is the biggest issue with the hybrids right now.
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 12:14 pm

There aren't any other hybrids other than the ones mentioned. I do believe Ford tried to sell a battery powered Ranger not too long agao.

At one time (1983?)Ford also sold an LTD (fox platformed) sedan that ran on propane equipped with the 2.3 litre 4.

Ford also seels a whole range of Natural gas switchable cars as does Dodge. There are also several after marketers who will converyt an automobile to be "flexible fueled".
 
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 12:57 pm



I thought "flex fueled" refered to alcohol burning cars?
 
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RE: Hybrids

Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:24 pm

You can get great gas mileage from any diesel Volkswagon. Not to mention they last forever.
 
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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 12:39 am

However, diesel-powered VW's don't exactly have clean exhausts yet, at least here in the USA. They'll be a lot cleaner once the EPA mandates low-sulfur diesel fuel in 2004 and automakers can introduce diesel engines with modern fuel delivery and emission control systems (like what you see in Europe now), both of which are easily damaged by the high-sulfur content diesel fuel sold in the USA.  Sad

Anyway, I've driven a hybrid car (my brother's Toyota Prius). It's an interesting driving experience, to say the least; it takes some getting used to with the instrument panel in the center of the dashboard and the unusual acceleration and braking of the car. It's quite a roomy car for its size, though.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 12:29 pm

I have yet to see a Volkswagen Diesel "anything" last forever. Though they do put on a spectacular show getting on the freeway with the smoke and noise!

I say the Honda battery car today. It has no back seat and is ugly as sin. I agree with the previous post, why does the Honda have to have styling that is pure "Japanese horror movie styling" (aerodynamics aside)? (Fenderskirts went out with the Grand Superfly). The Prius is a more practical car with somewhat nicer styling (though all the new Toyotas look horrible with the "spacewagon/highboy" styling), though again the backseat is an "emergency use only" affair. The city here does have a fleet of them and they are a very practical choice for city services use (reliable, cheap (to operate saving taxpayer $$) and uncomfortable and cramped enough for them to be abused for personal use LOL LOL).

Flexible fuel vehicle is a general term for a car that can be configued to operate a variety of fuels.
 
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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:30 pm

A hybrid car is overpriced for what it is and does.

Does anybody know if you are actually able to work on them. If you aren't then again what is the point?

Oh BTW. Any gas engine can be converted over to propane. It just takes a carburation change and of cource plumbing for the bottle.

Look at all of those bag tugs that run around airports. They generally all are powered by the the same straight six 300ci Ford motor that I have in my pickup, except they usually are running propane so they can be used inside buildings, while my truck burns gas.

Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that you can't buy a hybrid car yet, you can only lease them.
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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:36 pm

Why would anyone want to buy a slow, overpriced ugly POS, just for a few extra miles to the gallon?

Just buy a cheap little Honda or something like that, then you will have an actual car, not an enlarged golf cart.



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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:40 pm

Just buy a cheap little Honda or something like that

Wait, what was I saying?

Hondas are also slow, ugly, POS's as well, just like Hybrids!

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RE: Hybrids

Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:49 pm

Yes, you can buy hybrids, the big benefit is in stop and go-traffic jams, but sure the hybrids are still new and limited technology (Prius can´t have a tow-hook as an example). On the other hand, new technologies like the wankel engine (took a while to get it working properly, +1million cars made today mainly Mazda) and hydraulic suspension (+8million cars made today mainly
Citroën).
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