racko
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New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:31 am

Today the new High-Speed track between Frankfurt and Cologne for the German ICE 3 high-speed train was opened. The first passenger was loaded with 700 celebrities. The first Train reached up to 310 kmh and starting with the 1.8.2002 the Bahn wants to carry 25 Million people per year on the new track - currently on the old but beautiful "Rheintal Strecke" they carry about 12 Million. The new track together with the ICE 3 trains lowers the travelling time from 2:15 to 1:10.



The new-built track contains 88 Bridges, 30 Tunnels, 6000 lights and 300.000 tons of steel.

If you ask me, it's a matter of time until Lufthansa stops the FRA-CGN flights and introduce Airail.
 
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 10:55 am

I wonder what that long thing would feel like going up my butt... MmmmmmmMmmMMMMM.

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:34 pm

Hey they redesigned the nose on those trains.

When I rode the ICE between Stuttgart and Frankfurt the window where more slitlike and squarer.
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:31 pm

Yup, right L-188. You rode on an ICE 1 or 2, this is an ICE 3.

I agree O/D flights FRA-CGN will become obsolete, but I´m sure there will remain some connecting traffic.

25 millions passengers, my ass. Putting this train outside the standard fare structure will not attract travellers. This train will steal traffic from LH, but normal people will continue to go on the old track. And the tourists will continue to drive through the Rhine valley to enjoy this UNESCO world heritage site.

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:16 pm

Imho the ICE 3 is really a lot better than the older ICE trains. The seats are better and the ride is much quieter and more comfortable. Do you know when the Bahn will introduce the "train attendants" instead of having a restaurant in the trains ?


ICE 1/2 :



ICE 3:

 
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:41 pm

This is something I'm afraid our American friends don't have any experience with - good, high-speed rail transport. I regularly take the TGV and Thalys trains, but haven't tried the ICE yet. It's a neat experience to be flying along at 300 kmh just a few feet off the ground.

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:54 pm

Nice train but unfortunately it can not fly. Big grin

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 9:36 pm

I have found a nice webpage about the ICE 3 on the internet:

http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/ice/ice3.html

BTW AiRail between CGN and FRA will start in January 2003.

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Fri Jul 26, 2002 11:29 pm


As for the connecting flights from CGN, it will be interesting to see how passengers accept the new train (or not).

The STR (ZVS) - FRA airrail was not doing good at all from what I've heard on Flyertalk. People continue to prefer flights, at least on this route which by the way is only a little longer.
Naturally I'd opt for the flight as well  Wink/being sarcastic Also because I basically live right next to the airport and the train station is half an hour away.
 
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sat Jul 27, 2002 2:22 am

Hi there,
The new train reminds of the Transrapid.
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racko
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:37 am

The Transrapid...  Sad



So sad the Politicans don't realize that they have to build a Transrapid track fast in order to demonstrate the world the abilities of this piece of high-tech - instead they let the chinese steal our technology  Sad
 
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:08 pm

I think I like the lines on the older train better.

Not that the new one isn't nice....

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:52 pm

LH has announced it will stop flying CGN-FRA in 2003/4, after the inevitable teething problems (there is e.g. a lack of railtrack capacity in the Cologne area, where the trains have to run on regional railtracks instead of dedicated ones) will have been overcome. AFAIK, the AIRail product, already offered of the Stuttgart-FRA connection, will also be introduced here, giving LH passengers a service comparable to a LH flight:

- baggage check-in at the train station
- reserved seating
- some kind of onboard service (although, let's face it, there's not much service on domestic LH flights, so there may even be an improvement over the plane)
- baggage transfer from the train to the plane
- a guaranteed MCT of (I think) 45min between train and plane in FRA
- and possibly (later on) baggage transfer on inbound flights in FRA, which means that passengers will receive their luggage on check-out at Cologne airport or train station
- dedicated personal on-board and at the train stations

The replacement of flights by a train service is not so much an issue of gaining additonal slots. Replacing the plane on STR, CGN and NUE (there's talk about this at the moment) -flights will not free more than a couple of slots. With the impending construction of FRA's new runway, which will be completed by 2004, there won't be a lack of slots for a while at the LH hub.
More important is the fact that LH can use its planes on more economical flights elsewhere instead of wasting them on those ultra-short domestic runs.

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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sun Jul 28, 2002 12:49 am

Very impressive! 300 km/h - Wow!

This is something I'm afraid our American friends don't have any experience with - good, high-speed rail transport.
I think the Acela and previous Metroliner are / were quite successful. The Boston-Washington corridor is similar in distance to German domestic rail routes, and as far I know, these services are well patronized.

Outside this corridor, distances are greater and rail travel is less attractive.
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:04 am

America would be the perfect country for the Transrapid - it would offer a great alternative to planes by travelling at 500 km/h between the big cities - the distances are ideal for it. But noooooooooooo, instead of building a demonstrator-track between 2 german cities, the politicans prefer letting the chinese steal our technology (/)§(/$&%§(§.  Sad
 
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RE: New High-Speed ICE Track Opened

Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:33 am

Personally I think, the most important improvement on the new track is: You have to book a seat. What means, on the other side, without seat reservation no access. That´ll bring more comfort. This week I took a ICE from NUE to HAJ, and my feelings were: Wow, this must be the fastest MRT-train on earth: So many people standing between the doors etc.! Wasn´t nice, especially if you want to go to the loo!!

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