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A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:25 am

I've been wondering what people that live in the State of New York, think about Hillary Clinton as their Senator.

Is she doing a good job at putting New York's interests first and doing good at representing the people of your state in Congress?

Or do you feel that she is very out of touch with your state after never living there and is using New York's seat in the Senate just to further her own political ambitions and is not truly working for the state in which she's supposed to represent?
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:30 am

I will be honest. I don't hear much of anything that Hillary does. I do take offense though, that she came to NY for a Senate Spot. I do believe he is out of touch, not just because she never lived here, but because she went to a powerful state, that has a Democrat majority, so she can further her political career. She may do some good things while in office, but for the reasons she ran, she will never do the job she should be doing...for the people of New York State.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:49 am

Hmm...well, I was co-chair of "Humanities Speakers" where we asked important NY government figures to come and speak to our AP and Humanities classes in the 11th and 12th grades. Senator Schumer didn't come, but he sent a representative and a letter. Senator Clinton? Absolutely nothing. It might not seem like a big deal, but it was to us. As it still says on bumper stickers here, "Go Home Hillary!"
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:49 am

Amen Kroc!



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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:29 am

I've had her KFC special, tasty...



But I hear she's not popular with the kids.


Nevertheless, a stunning woman.

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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:39 am

That KFC posting is too funny !!
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 8:06 am

I think the crowd's reaction to her at the 9-11 tribute concert held at MSG explains what "real" NY's think of her.

In case folks don't remeber she was booed loudly off the stage by the crowd of families and co-workers of those lost in the 9-11 attacks.

I think Giulianni would have defeated her had he in fact gone ahead with his Senate campaign, but alas I truely believe it was an act of God unfortunatley gave him Prostate cancer which was terribly painfull to go through but it also made him cancel the Senate campaign and remain NYC Mayor which he was on September 11th. That day and the days following the world saw his leadership ability, and leaders from President Jaques Chirac to even the Rev Al Sharpton had to admit the guy did a great job leading.

As a former Political Science Major I will make a couple of predictions, Hillary Clinton loses her Senate seat to Governor Pataki when it's up in ('06 ?) and Rudy Giulianni will run for President in '08.

Rudy Giulianni may also join the Bush administration in some way to help Bush get re-elected in '04, either VP or Head of Homeland security.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:27 pm

I thought that 56% of "real" New Yorkers voted for her.
Unless, they weren't real New Yorkers, but "fake" New Yorkers. You know, the kind who live in New York City and vote for liberals.
Or unless "Real" New Yorkers are composed of the minority of the bunch of loud, obnoxious drunks who booed her down at the 9-11 Concert. And no, she was not booed off the stage by the "families of those who lost loved ones on 9-11." Get your ludicrous facts straight.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:45 pm

I count the days until her trip into obscurity......

Seriously though....for all of you out there who have daughters....would you really like your daughter to emulate Hillary Clinton? She has stood by an adulterous husband time and time again and then blamed it on some vast right wing conspiracy! She has allowed her daughter to be in a household with a man who sexually harasses women in his place of employment and compromises the safety and security of our country by fooling around with an intern in the Oval Office. If you don't think that could have been used as blackmail against him then you are the same person who believes that Hillary has NY'ers best interest at heart.

I for one would tell me daughter that she is exactly the person not to model your life after! Going to law school is great and so is running for the Senate but being the yes woman to that slug of a husband just so she can gain power is utterly disgusting.

Wake up people.....

JH
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:35 pm

You have a point Jayhup.
I would want my daughter to emulate Laura Bush. A woman who went to library school (i.e. received a MRS degree), married a coke snorting Daddy's boy, and raised two drunk party girls.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:00 pm

I thought that 56% of "real" New Yorkers voted for her.

Jaysit. Good point, and before I go on, your cheap insults at Bush will only go on to draw out the draft dodging weed smoking crackbacks about Billy. Even I didn't sling any insults like that, lets try and keep this somewhat peaceful.

Now, I will admit I didn't exactly agree with the "real New Yorkers" part of STT757's post, but I understood his point. New York has a democratic majority. That is why she came here to run for Senate. That is why she won.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:34 pm

Call a spade a spade.

Hillary is a carpet bagger. But she won. And she's still popular. And she raised an accomplished child in the face of intense scrutiny, scandal and hatred and invectives directed at both her and her daughter by the likes of the Rush limbergers of the world.

Bill probably inhaled more than once. Is there anyone in America who believes his comment that he didnt inhale. Nope. Was I ashamed of his Monica L. scandal? Yes, I think we all were - Dems and Republicans. But he's a smart guy with empathy who was hounded by his opponents but who still accomplished a fair deal in the face of, lets face it, a massive right wing conspiracy.

Bush is a tax-evading, DUI'd, Daddy's boy with a rather limited intellectual ability. The only ones who don't believe that are rabid partisan Republicans.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:49 pm

I am the first to acknowledge Bush's short comings, but Billy had them, as did Ronnie, and Jimmy, and Gerald, and Thomas, and George, ect. Some more than others, and some more disgraceful than others. Bush has yet (in my opinion) to do anything to disgrace the office yet, other than taking marathon vacations. Thing is, this thread is about Hillary, not about anyone else.

I will give Hillary the fact that Chelsea seems to have turned out as a decent adult. I do not think I would say she is popular in NYS, as much as she received the vote simply because people vote strictly Democrat/Republican. Dem Majority, powerful state, Hillary decided to run because she was damn near positive she would win. Has she done good things so far in office...probably, but the fact is, her intentions will limit her from doing the best possible job she should be.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 12:06 am

I think the problem most people have with Bush is the fact that he may not know everything. That is a given, but Bush admits that and surrounds himself with people that know more about the subject. Powel, Ashcroft (you is a great attorney though some of his ideals are a little extreme), Rice. In fact Bush has one of the most diverse cabinets of any adminstartion (even when compared to Clintons real American cabnet where they went to third level nomination just to get a woman in the cabnet), even though he never planned it that way. Don't knock Bush before you look at the whole picture. For all the trouble that has happened while he was in office (Submarine, Cole, 9/11, Stock Market Crash, etc) he is doing a fine job. On top of that it all happened in his first year in office.

Anyone can be a good President when nothing is happening, but when the $hit hits the fan, thats when, the men seperate from the boys.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:01 am

Jaysit...

The world needs librarians just like they need lawyers the only difference being Laura Bush didn't have any Dewey Decimal scandals like Hillary had billing record scandals. Laura has her 7 day books back on time while Hill can't find her own court documents!!!!

GW gave up the coke and the booze but Billy just can't stay away from the interns. He should get a divorce and then he can be felated by anyone he wishes.

As for the Bush twins....seem like normal, average college students to me as opposed to Chelsea being used as a showpiece by Bill and Hill to give the appearance of a normal family.....

JH
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:15 am

I can imagine the ruckus Republicans would have raised if Chelsea had turned out to be a "normal, average, college student" like the Bush girls. Talk about double standards.

What goes for the goose, goes for the gander, I say.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:21 am

Jaysit, you are the only one talking about the Bush Girls and Chelsea. You are the only one looking to provoke an argument. Let it go.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:23 am

"I do take offense though, that she came to NY for a Senate Spot. I do believe he is out of touch, not just because she never lived here, but because she went to a powerful state, that has a Democrat majority, so she can further her political career."

Ditto. That's what i think of her. She'll come and go.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:52 am

Jaysit, I do have to agree with KROC, you've really diverted from what the question was about. Also, I wanted this thread to focus on the opinions of people from New York. Interestingly, I see from your profile that you're from DC.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:57 am

I did forget to mention that I am in fact a New Yorker and I did not vote for her. I feel used by her and the Democratic party to further her political career and, God help us, her run for the White House.

Maybe we can get Nancy Reagan back to start up her "Just Say No" campaign but this time we should just say no to Hillary and not just drugs....

JH
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:59 am

Are any politicians really in touch with their state?
Our governor here in California (Gray Davis) is from the Bronx.
Yes Hillary took advantage of New York to continue her political career. That may say a lot about the politicians in New York to allow an outsider to come in and get 56% of the popular vote.
Keep in mind, George Pataki, and Alfonse D'Amato (Republicans) won in this "Democratic Majority State", so a Hillary Clinton victory was not a sure thing.

As far as the Bush’s go, I don't like the idea of dragging children of politicians in to the mud. However Jayhup was the first in 'this thread' to find a bone to pick with Chelsea. "Chelsea being used as a showpiece by Bill and Hill to give the appearance of a normal family..... "
What kind of retarded statement is that?
Bill and Hillary were good parents for Chelsea. If she had behaved like Jenna & Laura or even me  Laugh out loud, the conservative would have launched and independent investigation in to Chelsea's personal life!

Leave those kids alone and just scrutinize the parents.

Will Pataki give up his secure governors seat just to spite Hillary in 2006?
He has to run for re-election in 2006 also.
You New Yorkers should be proud to have an outstanding person as Hillary Rodham Clinton as you Senator.  Smile
Clinton and Schumer alone with our Barbara Boxer & Diane Feinstein are some of the most brilliant members of the Senate.

If you guys dislike Hillary that much, relax. She will not be Senator forever. When she becomes President, she will no longer be your Senator! Big grin  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:13 am

Superfly, how can you speak for what Hillary has and is doing for New Yorkers? As for D'Amato and Pataki, D'Amato was a Senator for a long time. Besides with his mob ties...who would want to beat him?  Big grin Pataki...I am not to familure with him, but he did take over from the very Democratic Mario Cuomo (who I did like). I am actually a fan of Charles Schumer. Hillary though, and you cannot deny this, ONLY came to NYS because of the fact there is a Democratic majority, and its a powerful state, great for helping to further her political career. Because of that, because she is only interested in advancement, is why me, and many people are upset, and why we say she is not doing the job, in the true best intent for her constituents. Did Gray Davis move from the Bronx to Cali and instantly run for govener? If Hillary had moved to NY, was here for a few years or whatever then wanted to run, it might be a different scenario.....
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:25 am

KROC:
Besides with his mob ties...who would want to beat him?

Too funny!  Laugh out loud

Yes I agree, it was obvious that Hillary was concerned about advancment.
But hey, half of New Yorks aren't from New York.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:25 am

I think Giulianni would have defeated her had he in fact gone ahead with his Senate campaign, but alas I truely believe it was an act of God unfortunatley gave him Prostate cancer which was terribly painfull to go through but it also made him cancel the Senate campaign and remain NYC Mayor which he was on September 11th

After Giuliani's "withdrawal" from the Senate race (I use the quotation marks because he never officially entered), Hillary benefitted mightily from the fact that her new Republican opponent, Congressman Rick Lazio, ran a pathetic campaign. He went off on a nearly two-week family vacation just as the campaign season heated up and never showed more than the barest degree of enthusiasm thereafter. Lazio knew he was a second-choice, replacement candidate, and acted accordingly. Hillary sailed right past him, although as a liberal Democrat she was pretty much guaranteed to do well in New York no matter how skilled an opponent she faced.
One somewhat ironic thing from the campaign might be termed Lazio's Muslim problem. In a rather desparate attempt to appeal to Jewish voters, he was widely quoted as saying, in effect, that many Muslims supported terrorism and weren't to be trusted. In the fall of 2000, when Lazio made this remark, it seemed narrow-minded and borderline racist. If he'd said it in the fall of 2001 instead ... well, he'd probably be decorating his Senate office today!
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:32 am

Superfly, the day that Hilary becomes President, is the day I become the senator for Florida.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:44 am

Superfly,

Please do not distort my statements.

Nowhere did I say anything about Chelsea and her behavior. I did allude to her as a child of a disfunctional family and was not critical of her but her parents.

WHAT I DID SAY WAS THAT SHE WAS EXPLOITED BY HER PARENTS FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL GAIN TO APPEAR AS A NORMAL FAMILY WHICH THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT AND IN THE PROCESS HILLARY KEPT HER AROUND A MAN WHO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF RAPE (Juanita Broderick), SEXUALLY HARASSED A CO-WORKER (Monica Lewinsky, a federal intern) AND PAID DAMAGES IN A SEXUAL HARASSMENT SUIT (Paula Jones)!!!!!!!

Where in that statement am I being critical of Chelsea? Did I say anything about her appearance, her behavior, her boyfriend or her education? Well, did I?

Let us not forget that the left leaning press has left Chelsea well enough alone....

JH

 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:44 am

PPGMD for Senate!
Go gators! Big grin

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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:50 am

Jayhup:
You're on a roll with you retarted statements pal.  Sad


Should Hillary take Chelsea away from her father?  Confused

You just hate the Clintons peroid!
George W is no more moral than Bill. I have a lot more respect for Bill then Mr. W including his faults and all.

There has been NO angels in the Oval Office. Every President had a certian level of sleeze.




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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 6:20 am

Should Hillary take Chelsea away from her father?
For the sake of women everywhere; YES; YES; a resounding, overwhelming YES.

Bill cheated on her, lied to her, and drug her through the mud with him. She should have dumped him and run far, far away. For her sake I hope chelsea doesn't go for such a jerk of a husband as her father was.
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 6:40 am

Governor Pataki is running for his third term this year, he cannot be reelected for a fourth because of term limits.

He will finishing his next four years as Governor in 2006, good timing.

Giulianni also was limited by terms limits as Mayor, the NYC Mayor only gets two terms.
After 9-11 Giulianni tried different approaches to stay on but the State Legislature would not amend the law for him.

Its ok anyway, Mayor Bloomberg is doing a great job.
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 6:44 am

Superfly. George W is no more moral than Bill. I have a lot more respect for Bill then Mr. W including his faults and all.

And George W is no more immoral than Bill, so please stop with the G Bush is evil routine. I think even we can agree its old by now? Same goes with the Clinton is evil thing too........
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:15 am

Jessman...at least someone out there sees the light!!!!!!

As for you Superfly...it's obvious that you can't debate the issue without resorting to name calling. That is a shame.

I am neither retarded or retarted (I am sweet, not tart) and can debate the issue using facts as I did above and how I perceive the situation. I have no regrets in what I said and if I had a daughter and she has behaved the way Hillary has I would be very disappointed.

These are the people who are telling you and I how to live our lives and pass laws that tell us what we can and cannot do. Have we sunk so low in this country as to not expect higher standards of the people who represent us? There is not one of us here without flaw but we shouldn't settled for people who are the most flawed and openly disdainful of the American people the way the Clintons are.

Willy and Hilly treat each other like sh** and put their innocent daughter in the middle.

People need to open their eyes and not settle for second-rate, self serving, politicians regardless of their political affiliation.

JH
 
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RE: A Question For Residents Of The State Of New York

Wed Aug 07, 2002 9:31 am

Jayhup:
You certianly aren't serious are you?  Insane

All I hear from you is just personal hatred against the Clintons and as KROC said, it's getting old.
Hillary is your Senator, live with it.
AS far as the whole being ashamed of a daughter like Hillary, she is a grown women and can do what ever she wants. And she did.  Smile


Have we sunk so low in this country as to not expect higher standards of the people who represent us?


People need to open their eyes and not settle for second-rate, self serving, politicians regardless of their political affiliation.



I certainly agree on these two statements. That can certainly apply to the guy in the White House now.

But hey I smell the Whiskey, I accept the fact that W is the President.

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