digitalone
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Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:35 am

Between these two cities, which one do you think is a better city in aspects of living standards, lifestyle, cost etc.

I hear that there are a number of similarities between these two cities, ie the moderated weather, great harbour/bay views, hilly, trendy, expensive, gay, etc...

What do you think?

 
AerLingus
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:55 am

Sydney has better weather, the harbour is cleaner, it is a bigger economic centre, it has better mass transit, it's cleaner.

San Francisco is dirty, small, not a very big economic centre, and the mass transit system isn't anything to write home about. In my opinion, San Francisco only really looks good in pictures and on TV.

I'd take Sydney over SF any day.
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:55 am

AerLingus,

I thought just like you did about SF when I was growing up here. I couldn't wait to get away from the crowded streets and dirty sidewalks (before pooper-scooper laws...), and I think most of my desire to get away was really a desire to be as far away from my parents as possible. I can't speak about Sydney b/c I was there for only a day recently, but I have stayed in Cape Town for several weeks, which also is frequently compared to SF and Sydney. I'd pick SF over Cape Town any day, and many of my friends from Cape Town agree and have moved from there citing the bad local economy and rising crime. I've also traveled and lived in many places overseas. Over the years, I've grown to appreciate SF's compactness and accessibility to so many other cool areas such as the Marin headlands, the wine country, the Sierra Nevadas, a two to three hour flight to Mexican cities and four hours to Hawaii. I love being able to walk around the corner or take a $5 cab ride (I agree with you about the public transit system, but it is getting better with the BART extension to the airport and efforts at MUNI to improve on-time schedules) to get to a number of ethnic or California restaurants. The cost of living here sucks, but I'm fortunate to be employed in a professional job that pays well so I don't feel the wallet pinch as much as some former dot-bombers. So, give it time, and maybe twenty years down the line you'll change your mind about SF like I did.

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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 12:07 pm

Now, what SF really needs is to make those MUNI's a little cleaner... The new streetcars (the silver ones, not ancient ones that they are putting to use again  Smile) are the best of the MUNI fleet, and that's not saying much  Smile Man, when i grew up in the bay area, I wanted to be a BART operator!


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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:03 pm

Well, they're working on the bus situation. The new electric buses are nice and I like how the computerized announcements state line transfers.

One thing I love about the Bay Area is the rapid rail transit.

I love riding the subways. They're clean and fast. I take the K,L,M trains frequently, and I experienced the safety of the system firsthand when the computers brought my subway to a screaming halt once just about 100 feet away from another train.



And looking like something out of Star Trek, the very cool BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit):




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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:39 pm

I love SFO, but Sydney has it all over it.


Our Cities Rail Network: (from the website) (All carriages on the Cityrail network are double deck stainless steel electric.)

The CityRail rail network is one of the world's most complex. It involves the operation of 2,900 services to carry nearly 1 million passengers to and from 306 stations daily. The radial nature of the network itself makes the task of moving this number of people to and from work a real challenge.

Everyday CityRail operates a fleet of 1,458 carriages over 2,060kms of track controlled by over 2,500 signals. With an operation this size, isolated problems are inevitable but we try to minimise them through regular maintenance and performance management.

We monitor our performance closely and will keep you up-to-date about how we are performing against our targets. CityRail aims to ensure that, on average at least 99 out of every 100 peak services run; and at least 92 out of every 100 peak services arrive within three minutes of their scheduled arrival time (five for Intercity services).

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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:18 pm

AerLingus:
I ride the K,L,M lines everyday!
I am suprised we haven't ran in to each other.
I live near the Forest Hill station and get off at the Embaradero station right there in the photo.  Smile


I haven't been to Sydney yet, so I can't compare the two.

San Francisco has a much more active Airliners.net crowd so I guess we're better!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 8:31 pm

I like Frisco and Sydney.For me is difficult to choose because I found the tow cityes wonderful. Maybe Sydney is cleaner than San Francisco but I can say that Sydney do not have the San Francisco Giants.
 
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:11 pm

Sydney & San Francisco, No competition,
SYDNEY IS A CLEAR WINNER

Firstly its in Australia, has better weather, lower costs of living,
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Fri Aug 16, 2002 11:34 pm

Well, when I say I ride "frequently" I mean only several times a month, not daily. Maybe we HAVE run into each other, but I don't think you would recognize me.

BART was the most technologically advanced urban rail network when completed:



It sported brand new digital displays and pressure sensitive escalators in stations (that didn't start until you step on them).

Trains travel at up to 80 miles per hour on underground legs.

The system has 95 miles of track.

39 BART stations comprise 12 surface, 13 aerial and 14 subway stations. Four of these are a combination of BART and MUNI Metro stations in downtown San Francisco.

The total cost of the system (excluding Transbay Tube) was $US1,443,000,000. The cost of the Transbay Tube (which links SF with the town of Oakland) was $176,000,000.
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:44 am

I would have to say SFO purely for the skateboarding and music scene. Now I've never been to SYD so don’t know about the music there but for skateboarding its hands down SFO. You only get cops mad at you for skating at city hall (which now has those skate stopper things all over the place.), but theres world famous skatespots all over the places like...



3rd and Army


and pier 7 right on the embarcadero.

You’ll have 25 30 kids from all different backrounds and from around the country at one spot. Its just an awesome place to check out and go skateboarding for a week.
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:23 pm

Soku: Next time you're in Frisco, be sure to check out the new Union Square. I'm not sure when the last time your visit was, but the whole square has been under reconstruction for the last two years.

If you get there early enough, you can skate at the square without the cops bothering you (much  Smile ).

But SF really is skate Hollywood. Unfortunately, people who get discovered here move to SoCal immediately!!!
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:38 am

I was there last April so I think they were just finishing up. Man I really have to get back there to skate though. what an awesome town.
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:49 am

Here are a couple of pics from the new Square.







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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:59 am

That city never learns DONT PUT LEDGES ALL OVER THE PLACE IF YOU DONT WANT SKATEBOARDERS. Man some of those rails look nice and like I said ledges everywhere. That looks pretty fun. In that one pic they already looked waxed.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:57 pm

Nop, Sydney rocks in every way. How many cities in the world can you go to your job in a busy CBD office tower, knock off at 4pm and head down to a beach less than 3 kms away (with city views) and have it all to yourself.

(not to mention its also the base of a very cool airline which will remain nameless lol)


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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Mon Aug 19, 2002 11:31 pm

Actually, you CAN do exactly what you said, QANTASforever. Aquatic Park is a short streetcar ride down the water front. Aquatic Park and the Municipal Pier (also known as the Muni Pier), offer pleasant views of the buildings and Coit Tower.

You can also see San Francisco's historic tall ships just a stonesthrow away after a stroll along the quiet beachfront. You can explore Fort Mason Park, Fisherman's Wharf or Ghirardelli Square (both of which are less than four minutes a way by foot). Everything's so centralised, it's the perfect city to play hookie.

Chinatown meshes into the Financial District, North Beach (Little Italy) meshes into Chinatown. The Mission (the main Lation ethnic district) and South of Market (renowned for it's sheer trendiness and nightlife) are also just blocks away from the towers of the Financial District.

Just a 10 min. trip down Geary Street (a major East to West througway in the Northern sectors of the city) will find you in the Fillmore, the Jazz and club area made famous by Jack Kerouac and a number of other Fillmore patrons of the era. It is also the site of the famous Fillmore theatre, where A-list performers have been gracing the city for many decades.

Continue down Geary Street past Fillmore and you'll see the University of San Francisco and the major Russian ethnic district (the Richmond). Head down Geary to the very end (about a twenty minute trip), park your car and look out there. That's right. The Pacific Ocean and the huge Ocean Beach. Here you can visit Cliff House and see the Windmills of Golden Gate Park. The water's cold here, but if you're a San Franciscan, you're used to that sort of thing. People regularly surf in these frigid North Pacific waters.

That's just a small sampling of what one can do in a city that's only about 40 or so square kilometres.
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:03 pm

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the 'info'. The reason I started this thread was because I was thinking of moving over to the other side for a while to experience life there. Looks like I'll have to go there myself to see what its like!

Can't wait!
 
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:57 am

...the whole square has been under reconstruction for the last two years.

It still is, or was in mid-July when I was there. I stayed in the Grand Hyatt north of the square (directly across from Macy's) in the second photo of AerLingus' post.

I liked San Francisco. I've been there twice. The traffic is horrible and with all those damn one-way streets everywhere, it makes it impossible to get somewhere if you're not farmilliar with the city and streets, but other than that, I had a good time.

Never been to Sydney, so I can't comment on that.
 
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:33 pm

Definitely San Francisco.






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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:51 pm

There are homeless people in every city.

By the way, the Bushman is cool!
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:55 pm

America West: Nooo...the Square IS done (except for a few minor things). Trust me. I live there!
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:53 pm

Sydney *yay*

Um, yeah there is homeless and there is homeless.

I love it around San Francisco Central, just when it starts to get dark, all the bums come crawling out from everywhere.

Not in Sydney. And you don't get harrassed by the crazies.

mb

(I do love San Fran though.)
 
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:20 am

AerLingus: That's cool. I was just wondering because I was there from 7/6 to 7/13 and they still had the fences up and were still working on it.
 
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RE: Sydney Vs San Francisco

Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:17 am

Yeah, but if you are from America and moving to Aussie, you will try for months to refrain from laughing! I'm not being offensive, but if your not from Australia, then the accent is just friggin' hilarious!

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