Superfly
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Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:44 pm

Just last week, my aunt's brand new Mercedes E-320 sedan left her stranded on a crowded Los Angeles freeway.
The car just completely shut off as she was driving at 45MPH. She coasted over to the shoulder and tried to restart but the car was totally dead. Her brand new $50,000.00 investment with only 1200 miles on it just died.
She called the Mercedes repair 'specialist' to come assist. The car had to be towed back to the dealer and it took these 'specialist' 4 days to figure out and fix the problem.

Cause of failure: Air conditioner was on too long and cause main computer to short out!
Luckily the car is under warranty.
It would have cost well over $1,000.00 to fix this.



So I question the quality and sophistication of 'German engineered' cars.  Confused


This is the Mercedes E-320.




I told her she was lucky that she wasn't near any trees. Big grin
She didn't get the joke.  Smile
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:57 pm

Oh, come on now! My mother has had an E420 since 1996 and has never had a major problem with it.

If I were you, I wouldn't call into question the sophistication and quality of German cars over one incident. That could have happened to any car that uses a computer chip (and most do these days).

I know you like full-frame American cars from the 70's, but come on!  Smile
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:00 pm

My dad sells Mercedes parts to dealers and shops. He says it all the time. They break. A lot. And it's expensive when they do. My brother bought a Lexus.
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:02 pm

But it's German engineered.  Confused
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:07 pm

Hey, I still like them and would consider buying one.
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:07 pm

Not like those ultra reliable American cars, eh?  Insane

Tell her to get an Acura.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:14 pm

Here's your car Sophie.

 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:34 pm

We her husband now deceased was Cadillac man and for years, they only had bough Cadillacs.
There last Cadillac (Eldorado) had over 230,000 miles on it an dnever gave them any problems.
Also they could run the airconditioner at any speed.  Big grin

She should have continued her husband's tradition.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:36 pm

How could an air-conditioner failure not be isolated from the rest of the car's electronics and caused the comprehensive shutdown of the vehicle? Is there something conceptually wrong with the design of the electronic control system on the "E" ?

In general, I'm most confident with German automotive engineering when it comes to the basics of the vehicle (ie. the mechanical portion). However, it's when they start cramming tons of electronics and computers into the controls of the car when things started to go haywire (and without warnings). My previous experience with German vehicles told me that the weakest link is often the electrics/electronics. I imagine you'll need full-fledged computer engineers to handle vehicles like the new BMW 7-series!!

Frankly, if my car is gonna be stuffed full of computers and electronics, I'd rather it be a Toyota.

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:56 pm

Cadillac.

Lincoln.

Audi.

Big Mercury Marauder (drooool). Saw one at dealer=much lust.

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:37 pm

Superfly...E320...let's think.

Mercedes is a part of Daimler Chrysler. Daimler Chrysler Aerospace is a part of EADS. EADS is an owner of *drum roll* Airbus Industrie.

Doesn't E320 remind you of ohhhhh, I dunno, let's seeee, trying to remember....oh yeah! A320.

Is that car equipped with drive-by-wire  Laugh out loud

There's your explanation.

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:19 pm

 Embarrassment Embarrassment Embarrassment

Oh gosh my spelling was terrible in my last post.  Sad
Let me re-type that.


Well her husband now deceased was a Cadillac man for years and they only had bought Cadillacs.
There last Cadillac (Eldorado) had over 230,000 miles on it and never gave them any problems.
Also they could run the air conditioner at any speed.  Big grin

She should have continued her husband's tradition.



Boeing4ever:
Good observation. Big grin
No wonder why I don't like the A320!
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:26 pm

MDL_777:
That could have happened to any car that uses a computer chip (and most do these days).


All new cars use computer chips today.  Sad


I was pointing out that not all German cars are perfect infallable cars.

I just think a brand new $50,000.00 car with only 1200 miles on it shouldn't have a computer short out on it.

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:38 pm

Every company builds a lemon now and then.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:55 am

Cadilac Lincoln and Audi? HA ha ha. YEa right, those companies havn't made a relible car (excluding the LS) since, wait, the havn't. I love audi, my mother currently traded her 2000 2.7T A6 Avant wagon for a car we havn't found yet. Wonderful car, drove like a dream, but was not as reliable as the other german cars. Audi has a had a bad reliablity history, dating back to there accelerator problems, but I think there getting better.

By german is you want a awsome car that drives great and is fun to be in. Buy japanese if you want a car that will run forever, but isn't quite as fun to drive.

You want a reliable and powerful car? Acura 3.2L V6 V-tech SOHC. That thing could take a A6. Plus, its better priced, no stupid pakages. Everything comes standard.
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:18 am

Oh well, shit is bound to happen from time to time, no big deal. In the larger picture, stuff like this happens much less frequent than in other brands - your aunt had bad luck, plain and simple.
My family has been driving Mercedes since 1936, and the only two major breakdowns which were the cars fault were repaired for free, even after the guarantee had expired.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:21 am

Don't buy a car that was built on a monday or friday. If you look at the VIN # there is a way to figure out what day it was built (i think). my dad had 2 bmw 7 series that were built on mondays that were complete crap. then my dad got a 3rd (he only has had one at a time) and it was built on a wednesday and its doing great!

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:39 am

Sure IL......er....Flyingbronco. What happened to the 5 series?
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:43 am

My mom drives it now. Why?
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:53 am

Zues,

I have a lot of cars. Probably too many. One of them is the CL-S, basically a 2dr TL. Talk about value. Nealry a year old & I haven't even put gas in it yet, lol. Seriously though, you are right on about the no bs option packaging. In fact, the only thing offered was a Nav package, which I did not get. Everything else was standard. And that 3.2? That is a lot of punch for an N.A. SOCH six. The car also rides smooth as glass, odd considering that it pulls very good sla #s as well.

PS. Anyone here looking for a 2002 Maxi SE???
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:47 am

Superfly:

"I was pointing out that not all German cars are perfect infallable cars."

I know what you're saying. No brand is infallible.


"I just think a brand new $50,000.00 car with only 1200 miles on it shouldn't have a computer short out on it."

You're right about that, but I was trying to say that that's probably an exception, and not the norm. That could happen to any kind of car.



 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:01 am

Erm, ILS, this is your 8th screenname? Your 9th? For fuck's sake, you said you were going to leave. In fact, you've said it 4 times. Why don't you just fuck of?!
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:40 am

yeah but Mercedes have always been a bit... cheap. They never appeared to me to be a classy, well built piece of metal.

BMW, Audi and VW are the ones you want to look at (plus, we had an Austin Metro for 10 years that was nearly 25 years old and never broke down... oh yeah once the boot opened for no reason hahah Big grin).

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:49 am

The older Mercedes were great up until the mid 80s.

For expensive European sedans & coupes I'd go with the Jaguar Vanden Plas and/or S-Type.
They are the next best thing to a Rolls Royes!  Smokin cool

However I'd still take Daimler/Chrysler over a BMW.
two bad choices in Superfly's book  Sad
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:50 am

Yea right, Audi over Mercedes?

Don't get me wrong, I love Audi, we own a A6 Avant. But as far as quality and reliability go, no comparison. Mercedes is built better plain and simple, plus they have a better residual value. EGGD, I don't know where you figured mercedes is built cheap..............did you buy one that came out of a swamp or something?
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:46 pm

Your mum is one unlucky person! mercedes is the most popular make of car in HK and we definately need aircons here. Since they're so popular here, it must be pretty reliable!

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:52 pm

"my aunt's brand new Mercedes E-320 sedan"

Superfly,

You LET your aunt buy that crap?!?  Big grin
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:42 pm

Well, despite the E320 being a very expensive car...things DO happen. New cars usually have a breaking in period for about 5,000 miles after they are purchased. I haven't heard of many things going wrong with Mercedes-Benz cars, but hey, they are still produced by human beings, and therefore subject to failure. A friend of our family had an '88 300E which had to have the computer replaced after a couple of months, but the repair was covered under warranty.

My dad's '84 Volvo 244DL had to have a new starter put in it within a week after he'd bought it new because it was hard to start. Volvo replaced the starter without any problem, and the car currently has over 250,000 miles on it. Frankly, I'm amazed it's still running. My grandmother's '87 Volvo 744GLE had to have a new transmission put in after only two years being on the road, but again, Volvo replaced the tranny free of charge as it was under warranty.

Superfly, we won't go into what sorts of repairs had to be repeatedly carried out on my grandmother's 1980 Seville, or my parents' 1982 Cadillac. Most of the problems were somehow NOT covered under warranty, and the service department personnel were belligerent and unhelpful. Sure, much has changed since the '80s, but human beings tend to operate based on the past.

FYI, cars are not an investment, but rather a liability. They continually depreciate...unless you have a '48 Tucker Torpedo or some other rare collectible. BTW, what do you think of THAT car, Superfly?  Big grin
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:04 am

I thought that Mercedes were suppose to be reliable cars.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:27 am

People, NO car is always free of small problems. I'm willing to bet Superflys precious Fords break down twice as much as any new Mercedes. Nothing is perfect and that is why auto makers have warranties. Get used to it.
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:51 am

I went for a ride in a new 2003 E500 today, and what a beauty!!! Very fast too.  Smile
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:14 am

Captaingomes,
Those new E-Classes are GORGEOUS! I saw a couple on the road when i was in France a few days ago. They look marvelous!


My dad has a 1994 E320 which runs beautifully (70,000+ miles)
My mom has a 2001 S430 which is immaculate. Never had a problem with it. It's a piece of art.

In regards to the unfortunate event of Superfly's aunt....well....Sh*t Happens!


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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:46 pm

American 4275, I admit I fell in love with the new E500. It was too powerful for its own good though!  Smile However, the rear end wont grow on me. It looks like either a Taurus or the previous generation Altima! Everything else suits me juuuuuust fine.  Smile
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sun Aug 25, 2002 2:15 am

It's just hilarious how some of you American car haters contradict yourselves.

You hype on the same stereotype about how American cars are cheap unreliable pieces of shit. Then when something like this happens to a foreign car, you jump in and say things like:

Every company builds a lemon now and then.

they are still produced by human beings, and therefore subject to failure

People, NO car is always free of small problems. I'm willing to bet Superflys precious Fords break down twice as much as any new Mercedes.

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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:31 am

VonRichtofen:
No matter what, she isn't going to listen to her little nephew even though I am 29

NWA742:
You summed it up pretty well.
This is what she gets for not continuing her husbands (now deceased) tradition and buying Cadillacs.



Those import snobs are being swindled and those dealers are laughing there way to the bank. Big grin
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:19 am

Being labeled an egotistical American on this board, I thought I might share some thoughts with you on American cars. I would never buy one....They are absolutely terribly engineered, everything is outdated (engine technology, electronics, seats), and they break down often. Getting a used American car is even more questionable. If you want a cheap mid-size car, get a Honda, my father owned his 1983 Honda Accord for 11 years and it literally NEVER had a problem during the 160k he drove it. After that, he said, he would never buy an American car. These days, my family only buys used imports, and we havent had a problem yet. With the exception of the '97 Saab 9000...what a P.O.S.!

As for the Mercedes, we owned a 1993 190E 2.6 for a short time (2 years), and never had a problem with it, except that it was s l o w, and that it was teal.
Just as a tip, save yourself some cash in the long haul, buy an import they last longer and dont break down...just avoid Saabs.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:25 am

Jcs17:
Would you say I am one of the lucky ones?  Confused

My 1977 Lincoln Town Car has 230,000 miles plus and is a very low maintanence car.
Very smooth comfortable ride, lots of power, can't hardly feel any of the potholes on these San Francisco streets and I can easily fall asleep in my back seat as if I am on my bed.

My friends 1975 Ford LTD, the same thing.
High miles, runs great and never gives many problems.



By the way, I can run my air conditioner at any speed.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:30 am

What coincidence! My fathers last car, before he bought the legendary Accord was a used Ford LTD! And the thing broke down constantly! I havent driven a Lincoln before, Ive ridden in Navigators and Town Cars, but I dont know about the reliability of them.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:56 am

The car was brand new? If she just recently bought it, it wasn't really a good idea (unless she got a deep discount), as Mercedes has just released a totally redesigned E-Class in North America.
 
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:36 am

WorldVoyager:
Yep, it was BRAND spanking NEW! (2002 model year)



Jcs17:
Ive ridden in Navigators and Town Cars, but I dont know about the reliability of them.

EXCELLENT!

As far as your dads LTD, was it a LTD II or LTD Crown Victoria?
What year was it?
When computers were new to cars back in the 1980s, they were terrible. That is this case with all cars US, German or Japanese.
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Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:07 pm

I dont know what year or what LTD model he had, all I know is that he hated it and it would break down constantly! He also told me that it had a big rust hole on the side of it, on a rear passenger door...those Upstate NY (where he was living at the time, going to business school in Crapchester) winters dont do miracles for cars! I'll have to ask the old man when I talk to him next.  Smokin cool
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:38 pm

"Worthless Unreliable Crap?" Is this the only problem her E320 had? If so, then shit happens. 1 problem in a new car could've been a fluke or something. That's why there are warranties.
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:55 pm

"Is this the only problem her E320 had? If so, then shit happens. 1 problem in a new car could've been a fluke or something. That's why there are warranties".


But it's German engineered.  Confused
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RE: Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap

Sat Sep 07, 2002 2:04 pm

What does that mean? Nobody can make every single one of their cars perfect. Anyway, IS THIS the only problem with the E320?
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