saintsman
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Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 4:02 am

I know we've discussed him before but can you really defend him following his latest sending off? You could almost sense something was going to happen, albeit he was wound up, but for goodness sake how many times has he been wound up before? Is he really that stupid that he can't see what's going on and to cap it all he does it in front of the referee. No sympathy from me (again) and I can't say that I will miss him. I still think that he's a nutter and the game will be better off without him.

 
David_itl
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:10 am

And if Uriah Rennie had actually done his job and dismissed McAteer as he ought to have done when he commited a dragback/flyhack on Keane (instant red card offence for me; minimum booking but Uriah was contemplating at his navel at the time so did nothing) and followed it by a foul on Giggs for a booking (which should have been the 2nd booking), the whole situation in the last minute would have been avoided.

Having said that, yes he did elbow and will get and deserve a 3 game ban. Can't understand why do it near Uriah though - if he wanted to do that, why couldn't he have been made more "accidental" when in an aerial challenge! Believe me, despite what was said in public, I think Fergie tore a strip off him in the dressing room given the injuries that are plaguing the midfield at the moment.

Can you explain the following that happened earlier in the game:

1st Half. David Beckham takes a free kick and Claudio Reyna, facing Beckham, blocks it but is less than 10 yards away. Uriah decides to not book Reyna as he should do but merely orders the kick to be retaken.

2nd Half. Claudio Reyna takes a free kick which hits David Beckham in the back. Beckham is retreating back the 10 yards when Reyna takes the kick. What does Uriah do? Book Beckham. Very consistent policy there, Uriah! Look up the 1st Division grounds which you'll be refereeing at very shortly. And people say that referees are lenient to Utd?!?!?!? Beckham then loses the plot and somehow remains on the field despite some "robust" challenges on various Sunderland players.

I notice that Vieira got sent off again today...that takes him to 3 behind Keane I believe but Keane has been playing some 5 or 6 years longer. Who's the more "dirty" player?

David
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:39 am

The man needs help NOW! That's all there is to it.

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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:50 am

Saintsman, Vierra shouldn't have been sent off. That 2nd yellow was just a farce. Gronkejar actually kicked the under-sole of Vierra's foot and went down like a sack of potatoes. If you think Rennie is bad, have a look at D'Urso, he is a lot worse. I agree with your point on Roy Keane  Smile
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 4:30 pm

I don't know what happened to Rennie. In his first season in the Premier league he was a breath of fresh air. He hasn't been the same since. He must have been stamped on by the authorities but for what reason god only knows. I do think that referees favour the top teams and that maybe the directive comes from the top at the FA. Yes I know Keane got sent off, but as we said it was right in front of the Ref but there were more examples than those given by David that warranted action.

My team also suffered from bad refereeing at the weekend. We had a player sent off for a deliberate handball in the 91st minute when the player was on the floor and the ball was kicked at him. A penalty was bad enough but to get sent off was a bit much. Anyway the point I am making is that there is too much inconsistancy in decissions and maybe we aught to make use of technology and the fourth official when there are dubious situations. That 4th official should be better employed rather that just hold up the board and tell everone that there are 2 extra minutes to play or spend his time moaning at managers because they walk too far from the dug out.
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 6:12 pm

I did not watch the match however I saw it on the news why he was sent off in my opinion he should. But someone said he pushed his teamate Phil Neville? Whatever for?!???????
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David_itl
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 6:56 pm

MR BA, Phil Neville was booked in the 1st half I believe and then committed a crude tackle in the 2nd half which somehow went unpunished! Hence, Keane decided to "shake him up" into not doing more fouls.

The worst dismissal this weekend was Shaun Wright-Phillips for Man City where he brought down a player near the extreme left hand side of the penalty area only for the referee (Barry Knight) to send him off for a professional foul as he was clean through on goal  Nuts. Some newspapers on Sunday said that not even Ronaldo would have scored! Caused a bit of consternation on Sky TV's Soccer Saturday pm programme as they labelled the dismissal as "Foul and Abusive Language" as they couldn't believe it was a pro. foul. Luckily, the decision should be reversed as the referee has agreed to look at the action. Hopefully, he may notice (a) the position of the attacker in reference to the goal and (b) the defender that was behind Wright-Phillips.

Zizou, Vieira was late with the tackle so it is bookable; I'm reluctant to say whether he meant it without looking at a replay - my first impression was that it was in a "stamping" motion, if it was then instant red card should have resulted. Though what Wiltord was doing on the pitch after shoving someone to the ground only the referee will know!

David
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:25 pm

Perhaps we need a clampdown. I know that lots of bookings and sending off spoil the game but maybe we need a couple of spoilt games so that the players get the message that it's not okay to go pushing and shoving or even taking the opponent out.

I don't know if the referees are concious that they need to keep the game going. It would be so easy to send off five players and book another 10 but what sort of game would you be left with?, maybe that is why they appear to be so inconsistant.

Or maybe they really don't know who their fathers are and just like upsetting everybody.
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:35 pm

It's now reported by the BBC that Ferguson has come out and backed the decision to send him off:

United will not appeal against the sending-off, and Keane is set to be handed a club fine of two weeks' wages, believed to be around £180,000.

"Roy is the first United player to be sent off for this offence and I have said recently the use of the elbow is a growing problem in our game," Ferguson said. "We won't appeal, the referee had no choice but to send him off. The replay I was shown immediately after the match was misleading. When I saw the TV pictures from a different angle, I saw the referee had no choice."


David
 
zizou
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:04 pm

David Itl,

I agree with what you said about Wiltord. He did get deserved to be sent off. However, I am still confident in saying that Vierra was unlucky to be sent off. It seems David O'Leary even agrees with me!  Smile
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Tue Sep 03, 2002 12:22 am

lots of players get sent off for the use of an elbow... whats the big deal? The guy is nuts, so what, he's still one of the best midfielders in the world...
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:47 am

Watch and see, people.

September 18th, 2002 Maccabi Haifa FC comes to Old Trafford and I bet 1000000000000 dollars and 38 cents that Roy Keane and Maccabi's Croatian Midfielder Giovanni Rosso fight.
 
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Tue Sep 03, 2002 6:34 am

David,

Beckham's booking was fully justified. It is the player's responsibility to retreat ten yards and he deliberately got in the way. That's a yellow card offence. Now, you can say that Reyna hit it at him on purpose to get him booked, and you'd probably be right, but that's a different matter. Indeed, Beckham could easily have gone a few minutes later for a rather clumsy challenge in Sunderland's area. Now, as you know, despite being a City fan, I'm a great admirer of Mr Beckham, so this isn't using blue tinted spectacles, but he was in fact a little lucky - as many of the papers have subsequently pointed out.

As for McAteer, well, he should have been booked for bringing down Keane, but sent off? No, I don't think so. As for Rennie, I suspect that he forgot about booking McAteer because he was so intent on trying to stop Keane punching McAteer. The fact that he booked him later for a mild tackle suggests as much. Far from criticising him, I thought Rennie overall did quite well. He was in an ideal position for the Keane elbowing incident, and got the decision right.

The thing about Keane is that as Henry Winter said in the Telegraph today, most fair minded neutrals have gone from feeling indignant about him to feeling a bit sad. The man is a wonderful player, but clearly has problems and needs help - I mean that, I'm not being sarcastic - before he wrecks his career completely.
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David_itl
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RE: Roy Keane's Latest Sending Off

Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:03 am

Banco, I'm just applying consistency for the Beckham booking. If Reyna gets away with it in the 1st half, why does Beckham get punished in the 2nd? If referees are consistent throughout the game whether they make good decsions or bad, then the players may (now I drift to planet Utopia) not decide to needle each other and/or surround the referee threatening all manner of retribution.

Good news for City...Wright-Phillips has now only got a booking against his name. Imagine if City had lost the game with the referee admitting a mistake 2 days afterwards. I doubt if there would have been a Xmas card for him. Anyway, here's an MEN story on the local residents wanting Maine Road to be kept!

David

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