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Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:14 am

Who would have ever thought that the ‘retro car’ would become a trend in automobiles? The VW Bug, Chrysler PT Cruiser, Ford Thunderbird, Plymouth Prowler and Mini Cooper have made come backs.
SUVs were considered a cool alternative to mini-vans and station wagons, now there kind of a typical family vehicle and everybody knows someone that has one.
I am curious if there will be a renaissance of the large station wagon.
Chrysler already has a concept station wagon called the Pacifica and Citadel.
I’d love to see Ford make a wagon out of the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis.
The ultimate would be a wagon version of the current Mercury Grand Marquis with wood grain side panels, 7.3 liter power stroke turbo diesel engine, 4X4 drive and a power glass moon roof.  Smokin cool


The roomiest, most powerful station wagon ever had to be the 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster estate wagons. They had a 350cu” V8 that put out 260HP and got 25MPG! They also had a ‘vista roof’.
Too bad GM discontinued these in at the Arlington, Texas plant in favor of more SUVs.


Chrysler Pacifica (concept)


Chrysler Citadel



Ford (this is a prototype and does not exist)



AH, the good ol' days. Big grin

1975-1978 Ford LTD Country Squire


1975-1978 Mercury Colony Park




The greatest wagon ever!
1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon


The AMC Eagles were way ahead of there time.
A four wheel drive family vehicle (1979-1988)
And what's the trend today?


I don't care what any of guys think, station wagons are STILL cool!  Laugh out loud  Smokin cool
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:24 am

Well, I know that Ford is planning to switch the Mercury Sable from a Taurus-lookalike to a sports wagon like the very successful Subaru Outback. And you do see those Volvo's everywhere, so maybe......But I still think the SUV has replaced the station wagon as the quintessential family car. Besides Volvos, how many wagons do you see running around anyway?

I do think that Crown Vic station wagon photoshop (pretty certain it's not a prototype...) looks pretty cool though!!!
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:11 am

Superfly, I gotta agree with you, station wagons are awesome...much better than SUVs.

But, to say the Roadmaster is the most powerful station wagon ever built isn't entirely true. Audi is pumping out some pretty high powered production wagons, including the 340hp S6 Avant. BMW aswell, having a 290hp 5-series wagon. Production cars, but not something that you'll have parked in the driveway across the street most likely. There are also some other quite powerful wagons (ie: Volvo V70), although I don't know of any other which are as powerful as the Roadmaster.

Speaking of the Roadmaster. I know a guy who is on a funny car team who has one. Lots of performance mods, almost 500hp. Metallic blue which changes shades depending on angle, ghost flames, etc. Its one amazing wagon...really turns heads.
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:17 am

Just a side question....
Superfly, is there any place in particular that you find those old car ads? Flee.com (where pic is hosted....) is...er...not old car ads.....
Thx.........
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:45 am

Hurricane:
I got these pictures from various websites.

http://www.stationwagon.com

http://www.motorcities.com

http://www.arcticboy.com

I did a google 'image' search and typed the kinds of cars I was looking for also.



Flyf15:
I am sure some of those bmws and Volvo wagons can put out lots of horsepower but in terms of low-end torqe and ability to pull a boat and seat 8 - 9 passengers comfortably.
I doubt any of those Eurowagons can do that.





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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:57 am

The supposed new Sable:



Thx Superfly...
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:20 am

Hmmm, that Sable just has a different grille and headlight assembly.
It's still the same car.
As much as I love my Fords, the Taurus/Sable is an embarassment. It puzzles me as to how they sale so well.  Confused
It has to be the ugliest thing Ford made since the Maverick.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:34 am

The Crown Victoria Wagon prototype is a lot uglier than the Sable!

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:38 am

Superfly -->

This is the roomiest, most powerful station wagon ever:



The Audi RS6 with a Bi-Turbo V8 producing a whopping 450 horsepower... Big grin

I really like wagons...


Ford Mondeo Wagon (Why Ford insists on selling their ugly stuff here in the US is beyond reasoning... I like this Mondeo design)


Audi A4 Wagon


VW Passat W8 Wagon


Audi RS4 Wagon


The Audi Allroad Quattro - the true SUV, and my all time favorite car.


Bizjets  Smile
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:48 am

Bizjets:
WHAT?  Confused

Dude, you can fit two of those little Audis in a Buick Roadmaster!

Ok 450HP is certianly a lot, but at what RPMs?
Can you tow a boat with that?

The Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon was the worlds longest (length) production car for the years 1992-1996.

It's at least 2 & a half feet longer than the little Audi.

Here is another angle.  Smile







Check out that skylight!  Smokin cool  Big thumbs up



That Audi could fit in the back seat of this Buick,  Smile/happy/getting dizzy




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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:56 am

The Audi RS6 Wagon is not that small... here are the specs:
http://www.s-cars.org/rs6/Tech/tech.html

The RS6 is 4.582 meters / 15.03 feet long... I dunno about the Buick.

If you want bigger, you always have the Avantissimo:



Ok, so I'm an Audi nut... but I agree with you, wagons are cool.

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:03 pm

Buick Roadmaster is 18.125 feet long.  Wow!

Avantissimo is 16.6 feet.

Bizjets  Smile
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:06 pm

I would always by a station wagon, the perfect combination/compromise of size and performance.

Used to have one of those Country Squires, what a beast ! When on a road trip just fold down the seats, throw the Queen size mattress in the back and hey presto a poor mans mobile home.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:22 pm

Here is a great review about the Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon.
http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/1994/1994_Buick_Roadmaster_Estate_Wagon.html




exterior dimensions wagon
overall length (in.) 217.5 18.13 ft.
wheelbase (in.) 115.9 9.66 ft.
cargo cap. (cu. ft.) 92.4

fuel tank (gals.)21.0


interior dimensions
headroom f/r 39.6/39.4
legroom f/r 42.3/37.3
shoulder room f/r 63.4/63.5





So the Buick is 3.10 feet longer than the Audi.



Audi are ok. I like them better than bmws.

Can you believe that I almost bought a 1982 Audi 5000 turbo diesel sedan?
Yep, back in high school (1990) I almost did it but got a VW Dasher diesel station wagon instead for $50.
Yes my english teacher my senior year really liked me but felt weird dating a student. She cut me a sweet deal on her old car.
She was only 23 at the time.




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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:31 pm

"...my english teacher my senior year really liked me but felt weird dating a student. She cut me a sweet deal on her old car...She was only 23 at the time."

Is it any wonder that Superfly is The King of the Forum™?

Dude, she didn't cut you a deal... she was showering you with gratitude for that Superfly Touch™!
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:42 pm

Station Wagons are making a serious comeback! Mazda P5, Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Matrix and a host of other new-breed wagons are flying off the lot. And yes, they're "cool" to drive now.
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:47 pm

Sccutler:
That is f--king hillarious!  Laugh out loud

How did you do the 'TM' logo?
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:07 pm

The "™" thing? I cheated, pulled it up in WordPerfect and cut and pasted. A purist would know the Alt-sequence to do it. But not me.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:11 pm

Superfly, I don't know exactly what kind of boat you want to tow, but as long as it isn't the Queen Elizabeth II, a torque of 560 between 1950 and 5600 rpm should be enough...
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:31 pm

As a text-entry "purist" (funny way of putting it!), the ALT code for the ™ symbol is ALT+0153.
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:37 pm

Most Volvos sold are station wagons, and they probably make the best station wagons in the world.

They've been doing station wagons for ages, and have stayed with them, even when they haven't been fashionable.

Don't think Volvo make good station wagons? The V70 is to the Estate car class as the 5-Series is to the executive car class, simply unrivalled. After several years, the V70 is still king of the various Estate car awards, I've noticed.

Sure, it doesn't quite drive with the same finesse as a fancy BMW, but it costs much less, and is still a good car to drive. It'll whip the socks off a so called BMW wagon when it comes to the real duties of station wagons.

Ultimately, wagons are family cars, and Volvo does a damn good job of catering for families I have to say  Smile

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Mon Sep 09, 2002 5:11 am

Perhaps I should have clarified.
Will there ever be return of 'full-sized' station wagons?

These Volvos, Audis and Ford Taurus are not full-sized cars.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Tue Sep 10, 2002 3:20 am

Superfly, I hate to be the "me too" type, but I gotta jump in with you on this one. I've always enjoyed wagons, though of the smaller variety. Escorts mainly, and currently a '91 Tracer. I get the small car gas mileage and parking ease, but I can still pack it full of crap. I've even had the occasional engine block tucked in the back!  Smile I got a few funny looks from passer-bys on the interstate with that one. I've never had the privilege of having a full-size. My girlfriend in high school had her mom's Grand Marquis wagon, so I got to cruise around in it from time to time, but that's about it. I've got my eye on a sweet '78 Fairmont wagon now (200cid I-6, 3-speed on the floor, and faded woodgrain all down the side), but the last thing I need is another project car. Did I really say that?, I must be feeling ill.
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:12 am

Smaller wagons or "hatchbacks" have made quite a comeback now with cars like the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe, Honda Civic Si, Ford Focus ZX3/ZX5/Wagon, Ford Taurus Wagon, and for more expensive cars: Volvo XC,V70,V40,Audi Avant, BMW 3 and 5 series wagon, Mercedes wagons, etc. I notice all those little hatchbacks when I was in Japan, too. But, they aren't really station wagons. I can't really imagine a large V8 station wagon or fake wood trim coming back soon. But wagons are coming back into style. At least they're a better trend than SUVs since they're functional, efficient, and don't take up the whole street when you park them on the side of your street in suburbia.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:34 pm

Fordlover:
That fairmont can hold the 302/351/400cu" engine block.
I know the Granada (same Fox platform) came with an availible 255cu' V8.
Also, other Fox platform cars (Mustang 79-94 , LTD LX 85, Conntenintal 82-87 ) all came with the availible 5.0 (302) V8.

I'd say, drop in a 400cu" V8 with a 4bbl carb and dual exhaust. That would be on kick a$$ wagon.  Smokin cool

It's also mid-sized.
Or you could try to Find those mid-size LTD IIs, LX or Mercury Marquis wagons (1982-86) and do the same thing.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:40 am

BH346:
I can't really imagine a large V8 station wagon or fake wood trim coming back soon.



One could only hope!  Smile

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:44 am

Hey...10 years ago, you wouldn't want to be caught dead in a hatchback. Now look at the hot new trend... Do those old V8 wagons tow very good? Got any numbers? Just curious.
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:46 am

This thread could not have come at a better time.

We are about to lay to rest our 1984 Bucik Electra Estate Wagon, sniff, sniff.


Yeah, BIG BLUE, as we call her, is now only able to go forward. She's has 218K, is on her 2nd tranny and 2nd engine and it doesn't appear that there will be any resurrection.

She was an awesome car though. I love the wagons over the SUV any day.

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:50 am

good point Superfly, I think that they are great cars. Except my mom's deceased '92 sable which started giving us trouble...antifreeze leaked like hell and we had to replace the engine (free, but that's another story)

I'm glad Audi and VW still make station wagons as well as the other companies.

what about hatchbacks? big in europe i want to see them here!!
 
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Wed Sep 11, 2002 10:00 am

Specifications for 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon and Chevy Caprice Classic Wagon:

350cu" V8 (5.7)
260HP
Torque 330-335
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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:06 pm

Sorry man, but what will probably happen after I finish paying for my Cavalier Coupe is that I will start looking for an older 4WD Suburban that I can mount a plow on the front of.

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RE: Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?

Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:14 pm

I've got to say, those wagons are truly huge.

To me, a V70 would be a normal sized wagon, that wooden thing is huge!! But its cabin doesn't look that spacious - and I guess it isn't exactly a hallmark of packaging efficiency  Smile

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