saintsman
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Are Women Equal To Men?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:57 pm

I happened to watch the movie GI Jane on TV at the weekend and it got me thinking, are women really equal to men? My view is that they are not and never will be. But my reason for that is that physically (in general), the two sexes are different and that men are more muscular and stronger and women are not capable of carrying out certain roles where strength is a factor. Therefore they cannot be considered equal.

Now I have no objections to equal opportunity and equal rights and concede that there are women stronger than me. I also know that there are a lot of women who are more intelligent than me and it's not a problem. But as we are different cannot be equal.

So, do you think women are equal to men or not?
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:09 pm

It's a pretty silly argument really .. some men have better strength than wimmin, that hardly makes them non equal.

Wimmin are the equal of man, we are partners .. there is no inequality anywhere but in the minds of a few.

When you are misguidedly telling yourself that men are stronger .. lets see a man have a baby!  Big grin Individual issues do not determine equality, it's the sum of the whole ...




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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:37 pm

I believe the answer to this is partly yes and no. The problem we've made over the ages is equating physical strength with superiority. If we look at the sexes not in terms of linear strength but as highly specialized tools designed to ensure our maximum chances of survival, then the motion of superiority/inferiority becomes completely moot.

We are each designed to best fullfil our role in the complicated equation of survival. The sexes are neither superior, equal nor inferior to each other, they're simply differently outfitted. Many common tasks seem easily within the grasp of both sexes, however certain roles are best fulfilled by one sex or the other. This doesn't establish supriority, rather it compliments the abilities and strengths of the other.

Men seem to be particularly adapted for hunting prowess and providing protection. We are more muscular, we are able to withstand more physical exertion, our ability to perceive three-dimensional depth and navigate are more highly developed, our ability to crunch numbers also seem to be more developed, and our main sexual hormone testosterone provides higher levels of agression.

Women, on the other hand, seem superbly adapted to the reproduction and rearing of children. Their bodies, while not as muscular, seem to be able to withstand more stress than a man's, their sense of hearing and communication are more highly developed, their ability of facial recognition and certain cognitive functions are more developed, and their ability to concieve, along with all the complicated hormonal and immunological systems, work in concert to provide the perfect environment of protection for her child, both before AND after birth (i.e. breastfeeding). This sytem is so complexed that it's still not fully understood.

Instead of competing on the basis of perceived physical strengths, both sexes should accept their strengths and weaknesses and work together to compliment each other. This makes us stronger as a species, and it is only through such means can we continue on to the next step in our ongoing evolution.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:19 pm

That is a stupid question, men have known for ages that women are far superior!
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:32 pm

Look at it this way. When was the last time a woman had to lie to you (I.E., tell you they make lotsa money, that they actually know anything about S&M, hell even that they graduated high school in some cases, lol), to f*ck you?
When I was younger & naive, I did learn this the hard way. But now some of the things I see are just downright pathetic (can you tell I was approached by a loser this weekend, lol). Anyways, not to be down you guys, most of you are nice, but with some of the cazy things I've seen, yeah, I'd say there's no question.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:20 am

If anything, the question should be the opposite. Are Men equal to Women?

When womens collegiate sports had a "revolution", they had Title IX to back up their case. However, due to collegiate funding, they couldn't keep all of their mens teams. A good example is UCLA when they had to cut the Men's swim team that had won dozens of national championships. Why did they cut it? With women's sports, there just wasn't enough money to fund all of the mens sports. Meanwhile, men don't have a Title IX for them.

Another case is feminism, but I won't go detailed into that. Also, women I believe have 51% of the world's population.

I think the question could be reversed if you really think about it.

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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:43 am

I believe that women are not inherently inferior or superior to men. We have different MELs because we (men and women) serve different purposes. Does that make one better than the other? No--they are both equal parts becuase they complement each other (i.e. where a man is weak, the woman is strong and vice-versa).
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:55 am

Silverangel,

Perhaps you get 'lied to' because you (women) are only interested if a man is a potential husband. Girls are usually brought up to expect a man to take care and provide for them. A high salary etc is what they are programmed to look for so they know they will have a good life (In theory anyway). I don't suppose there is anything wrong with this because we all want the best we can get.

But if all that's on offer is a one night stand, saying that you are unemployed or you sweep the streets for a living isn't going to get men very far. A little embellishment is only to be expected.

Blink,

Good point, maybe the question could be the other way round.


I was wondering what the view was from our Middle Eastern members as the image over here is that women seem to come 2nd or even 3rd.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:09 am

The two genders have earned the right to be considered equal in the eyes of the law and in terms of intellectual ability.

But there are physical and social differences that no amount of social engineering or conditioning will ever erase. For instance, professions requiring a great deal of upper-body strength, such as firefighting, will remain overwhelmingly male; those that are of a more nurturing nature, such as nursing, will remain overwhelmingly female.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:20 am

But there are physical and social differences that no amount of social engineering or conditioning will ever erase. For instance, professions requiring a great deal of upper-body strength, such as firefighting, will remain overwhelmingly male; those that are of a more nurturing nature, such as nursing, will remain overwhelmingly female.

Much of this is cultural rather than physical. The Minneapolis Fire Department is 20% female, while the FDNY's female percentage is something like one-tenth of one percent. Are Minnesota women physically stronger than their counterparts in New York?
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:08 am

We are more muscular, we are able to withstand more physical exertion, our ability to perceive three-dimensional depth and navigate are more highly developed, our ability to crunch numbers also seem to be more developed, and our main sexual hormone testosterone provides higher levels of agression.

Geez, you've not met some of the women that live around here then!  Big grin

That is a stupid question, men have known for ages that women are far superior!

LMAO ... how right is that?  Big grin ... but I don't see the term "superiour" in the original post. He used the term equal.

Only a small percentage of men are physically stronger than women. In terms of world records men hold faster/stronger, but not by that much. As we evolve, which we are doing, you will find that women will compete on a more equal physical footing. Until then .. You have to be nice to us or no nooky tonight!  Big grin




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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:38 am

It's been a proven fact that women have a better pain tolerance than men.

I'm sure we all know why that stronger pain tolerance is needed. Because they are baby boomers.  Smile

Supposidly having a baby is one of the most painful experiences anyone can encounter. Of course I wouldn't know, as I'm male.  Smile

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SilverAngel

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:39 am

Hey I have a BMW 5 series and my daddy lives next door to the president of USAirways. I also get free rent out here in Kalifornia too. You wanna go out on a date with me???

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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:08 am

I've always found women to be different from men - in all of the right places.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:59 am

I've always found women to be a disappointment. Not like men, though!


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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:12 pm

Try playing the Williams sisters in a tennis match and then come back and spout this cr*p about women not being equal to men.

Amen.
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:14 pm

We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Some are more related to gender. We are all equal in that we have the same rights in this world. Other than that, nope.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:15 pm

Try outlifting Mark Henry in a strength contest and then come back and spout this cr*p about women being equal to men.

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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 2:13 pm

What the hell is a "wimmin"?

Every fool knows that women are superior to men.
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:45 am

Try playing the Williams sisters in a tennis tournament and win $ 10 million a year and then spout this cr*p about Mark-whatsisname-Henry.

Seriously, you boys need to get over the notion that a pair of balls makes you stronger. We sure as hell know it doesnt make you smarter.
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:47 am

Silverangel,

Perhaps you get 'lied to' because you (women) are only interested if a man is a potential husband. Girls are usually brought up to expect a man to take care and provide for them. A high salary etc is what they are programmed to look for so they know they will have a good life (In theory anyway). I don't suppose there is anything wrong with this because we all want the best we can get.

But if all that's on offer is a one night stand, saying that you are unemployed or you sweep the streets for a living isn't going to get men very far. A little embellishment is only to be expected.


I'll grant that you are right about that. But for me, I am not interested in a man who doesn't work as hard as I do or who has no ambition. I've had enough of that, and even more of liars. As a rule, I try to give everyone the benefit of doubt, but if I am dating you and you bring up your salary less than an hour into it, I would be the moron if I thought you weren't lying, wouldn't I?
And that's all that bothers me. I make more than enough to support two or three of me, lol. So I will not have to marry for monitary reasons. And frankly, if a man is making only $30,000 a year, that's really ok, as long as he is doing something with his life and not just cruising. If he is looking for a free ride or cheap thrill, there are plenty of women out there who will support that I am sure. Just not this one.



Hey I have a BMW 5 series and my daddy lives next door to the president of USAirways. I also get free rent out here in Kalifornia too. You wanna go out on a date with me???

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LMAO. Great to see a sense of humor is alive & well here!


Try playing the Williams sisters in a tennis match and then come back and spout this cr*p about women not being equal to men.



Don't even! Those two have turned me off to tennis completely. I like how they are so great at this & so great at that, yet no one seems to acknowledge that they PLAY DIRTY. Hitting the ball to the opposite corner of the court does not a champion make! How good would you all say Nolan Ryan was if he aimed his pitches a good 15 feet to the left of the batter?


 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:28 am

The Williams sisters play by the rules.
If they didnt they'd be called on it. When they win their points they win by the rules. Tennis isn't baseball. Its not a question of pitching the ball 15ft away from the batter. The whole idea of tennis is to make sure your opponent DOES NOT hit the ball you send over. Thats how you get points. The rules, remember?
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:56 am

You could look at it that way. But every time I've sat through 10 or more minutes of them, they've never once hit close to center. The other players do or at least try to. This makes it look pretty dirty. Lot of other people think so too.

And no the object isn't to wear your opponent out by way of them exhausting themselves via diving all over the court. You are are supposed to hit better than your opponent. Kind of like how, no, it isn't against the law to chew with your mouth wide open, but it is gross just the same & you shouldn't do it.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:29 am

Women, on the other hand, seem superbly adapted to the reproduction

LMAO!!! No matter how many times I read that it still makes me laugh  Laugh out loud.


To answer the question, yes and no. Its really hard to define equality in this case, and women and men have different qualities so its really impossible to judge. Each have their strengths, men tend to be stronger physically and emotionally, whilst women tend to have a better sense of morality, and are much more sensitive to feelings and dominated more by moods than mentality.

Where women and men ARE equal is in the worth of a life, both are as much worth as eachother... however we have labelled women more worthful when considering 'women and children first'. I really don't know where that one came from... sure children should be protected, but surely we are basically either saying 'women are more fragile' or 'women's lives are worht more'... blah its too complicated  Big thumbs up.
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:56 pm

From one tennis player to (hopefully) another, the Williams sisters do actually play better than their opponents. Their services are superb and their groundstrokes lethal. And perhaps you haven't seen their long baseline volleys when they play each other. And, no, its not kinda like chewing with your mouth open. Its an athletic sport of body and mind, not a cotillion.

I'm sorry, but the only people who appear to criticize them are those who are afraid to see women play like they do, or those who dislike them for reasons other than their tennis abilities.
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:38 pm

Jay,

I don't think they play dirty, but superb & lethal groundstrokes? You must have seen more matches than me, because I've never seen that happen. If you put them up against Martina, let's say, yeah, they can get their asses kicked.

As for disliking them for other reasons, I have heard rumors that there off court demeanor does leave a lot to be desired.

And to stay on topic. Chicks are stupid, plain & simple. The proof? If not for that, your friendly WN700driver here would never get laid!!!
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 12:08 pm

It's not quite as black-and-white as women being equal to men!

Different women are equal to different men...and vice-versa.

For example, butch lesbians are equal to burly men;
your basic lesbian is equal to your basic man;
lipstick lesbians are equal to the more demure man;
etc, etc.  Big grin
 
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RE: Are Women Equal To Men?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 1:03 pm

Genetically speaking, women are superior to men: 2 X chromosomes versus 1 X & 1 Y for men. Female zygotes are less likely to be spontaneusly aborted by the mother than males (usually happens early in the first tri-mester).
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