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General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:11 pm

Germans: Have you already voted, will you go voting or will you stay at home?
All people: Who do you want to win ? Do you think that the PDS will make it to the parliament again?

I just came back home from voting and my "Wahllokal" (vote room?) was really crowded, I had to wait nearly 15 minutes to vote.

I want the Red-Green coalition to go on for the next 4 years. Not everything they made was good, but I think overall they were successful, and better than CDU/FDP coalition before. I doubt very much that basically the same people could do better now, they are just missing Helmut Kohl, the rest of them is back.

I think (and hope) that we'll get rid of the PDS. They are out-dated and don't realize that the DDR is gone - I like Gysi, but the rest of the party is unacceptable.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:20 pm

I miss Kohl.  Crying

From what I have read, there isn't a canadate of his caliber around.

What year did he leave office anyway, I want to think he was still in charge when I was over there in 1992-94

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:31 pm

I will vote for Gerd`s party in the afternoon and I hope that the Red-Green coalition will also stay for the next 4 years.

Patrick
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:52 pm

L-188, Kohl lost the General election in 1998 badly against Gerhard Schröder. (SPD 42% CDU/CSU 35%)
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:11 pm

I just talked with my parents, they told me that it was also very crowded at their "vote room". I hope that it will be quite empty there in the afternoon.

Patrick
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:50 pm

I just came back. It's raining but the polls are crowded.
I voted for SPD/Schröder!
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:04 pm

I have not voted yet, but I´ll go to the polls in the afternoon. I hope that the SPD/Green Party will stay in office.

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:10 pm

Well, as I'm not 18 years old I'm not allowed to go voting. But I would the CSU by first vote and by second vote FDP or CSU. I would like not to see the PDS again. They have done so many bad things to the people of the former GDR and I don't want Germany to become communist one day.
I also can't stand the greens. It is not normal that someone who has beaten policemen in his earlier life are ruling over Germany at the moment. The SPD is at least an acceptable party for me and Schröder is a nice chancellor. But they don't want to limit immigration, our Social System is too big with too much social parasits and the SPD isn't a party that is able to boost our economy. I also want to have a party that is fighting for Germany's national interests and that is proud of Germany.

For all Germans, try a look at www.wahlomat.de
This is a nice homepage, and I think the result is very realistic.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:12 pm

Hepkat deleted my post!  Sad

Anyway, I'll do it in English this time.

Vote for Gerhard!

We must follow our Swedish cousins and vote for the left and stop this right-wing politics going across €urope!

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:21 pm

Matt86,

take a look at this link (posted by Racko yesterday here on the forum):

http://www.achse-des-boesen.de

Do you really want to see these racists and idiots on top of our government?

Patrick (who is glad that so many a.net members vote for Red-Green)
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:32 pm

I'm happy as well. Red-Green represents most up-to-date and modern poilitics. This, together with all other socialdemocratic gouverments in Europe, gives Europe a modern, tolerant face, where I actually want to live!
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:43 pm

I´ve gone a while ago.

I voted red (local candidate) and green (party).

Let´s hope for the best... We don´t need a warmed-over serving of more Kohl for another four years... (not even with lowered Kohl content... Wink/being sarcastic)

L-188: I miss Kohl. From what I have read, there isn't a canadate of his caliber around.

I´m sorry. But I guess that even if we´re stuffing Gerhard Schröder to the brim at every meal he´ll never win a Sumo match against the "black giant"...  Big thumbs up

 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:50 pm

Common, you guys over there kept him in for all those years for some reason.

You have to admit, Reagan, Thatcher and Kohl made a pretty good team.

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:06 pm

who is glad that so many a.net members vote for Red-Green

Well too many threads have proven that a.neters are not always right...
Just imagine how the airline fleets would look like if a.neters had more power... :-(

Well I will now go and give the CDU my support.

Max
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:10 pm


Yes, I have already been voting this morning. And there were not many people there at all  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Wow, there seems to be a large number of people who want the red-green coalition to go on as it seems here.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:17 pm

Voted four weeks ago via Briefwahl. Both crosses for the "funparty" or The Yellowish.

165min to go!! Hoping for red-yellow!!

Christian
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:31 pm

If the SPD get another term I wonder what German unemployment will by the end of the it?For a party that came to power promising to reduce unemployment they have done very little.Interesting to see how Schroder brought up labour market reforms so close to the elections.They are good ideas but he should have implemented them years ago.Although Stoiber rubished the ideas,I suspect he would implement them if he got into power.
Singapore_Air,what improvements have the 'lefties'we have here in Britain made?Very little.Gordon Brown came to office and was lucky to see massive tax revenues.Did he do anything himself to receive this?No,they were due to the micro-economic reforms undertaken by the Conservatives.Now,as the economy is slowing,Mr Brown has decided to raise taxes to fund overly-ambitious spending plans that won't acheive their goals(ie improvements in the NHS etc).
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:32 pm

I keep my fingers crossed for Stoiber! Why do you all vote for Schröder? I really cannot think of a single reason to vote for him.

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Donder10

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:43 pm

Donder10: If the SPD get another term I wonder what German unemployment will by the end of the it?For a party that came to power promising to reduce unemployment they have done very little.

CDU/CSU/FDP + 16 years + record debt + worldwide economic boom => up to about 5Mio unemployed (barely, even with tricks)

SPD/Grüne + 4 years + debt reduction + worldwide economic crisis => down to about 4 Mio unemployed

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:20 pm

Economic booms and debt tend to go hand in hand-look at the US over the 90s.Also,it would be MUCH better for unemployment comparisons to use%of labour unemployed than just saying x number due to a number of factors especially in Germany's case.
The German economy needs to be more flexible as foreign competition increase.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:28 pm

I have the ultimate link:

http://www.stoiber-stinkt.de.vu


And you want this guy to become our chancellor ?

PS: My favorites are 13, 15 and 19  Smile "Die gluderne Lot"
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:33 pm

Thanks for posting the link, Racko!

Also no. 1 and no. 5 made me laugh Big grin Big grin Big grin

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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:36 pm

I am with red-green, too; local candidate from SPD, 2nd vote: Greens/Alliance 90. I am pleased with the work of the green members of the government but I'm not with Riester (labour, SPD) and some others. Mrs Dauebler-Gmelin should not be part of the next government as she has gone to far with mentioning Bush and Adolf Nazi in one single line - even though she may have not compared Bush to Hitler. And Schroeder himself should show more reason of state in near future - at least if he remains to be chancellor.
Anyway, this is going to be a cliffhanger vote ...

What really makes me sad is that Mr Mueller, one of the spokesman of Greens/Alliance 90, will no longer be member of the Bundestag. This guy was brilliant. Even the fractions of CDU/CSU and FDP have regulary shown lots of respect for him. Actually, I'm very much hoping to continue hearing from him in the news ...

Regards,
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:49 pm

Yall will be doing good over their who shares the same economic belief system that Ludwig Erhard believed in.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:58 pm


Speaking about a record debt, ... in the 16 years of Kohl, wasn't there the BRD/DDR deal ???

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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 12:14 am

So can anybody tell me why they voted for SPD or the green party? What exactly are your reasons.
Tom
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 12:19 am

Matt86,
take a look at this link (posted by Racko yesterday here on the forum):
http://www.achse-des-boesen.de
Do you really want to see these racists and idiots on top of our government?
Patrick (who is glad that so many a.net members vote for Red-Green)


Well, i said my opinion on this link in the thread "Germany More Pro Arab Than The Arab League?". I'm right, but I hate all radicals (left and right).
But really hate that there are lots of Germans you say we aren't allowed to be pro-german. Someone says he is proud to be German, the Greens and the SPD says he isn't allowed to say that because it's racist. The German National Anthem is not taught at school, and some people call persons who know it racists. If someone owns a German Flag, they say he is a racist. WHY!? All "normal" nations are a proud of their country and that's good. But why shouldn't we be allowed to be proud of Germany just a little bit!?

Matze

PS: I just heard in TV, "Edmund Stoiber would be the first Bavarian to be German Chancellor." I want to admit that Ludwig Erhard was a Bavarian. He's from my hometown Fürth  Smile
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 12:54 am

So can anybody tell me why they voted for SPD or the green party?

Greens because I'm pleased with the work of the three green members of the Government and because I think they (the "Realos") have the best concept to combine modern technologies and economics with environmental issues. Both aspects are important. They support tax-cuts, want to end support for old industrial war-horses and rather support "green" (or modern) industries. Last not least they have a strong focus on human rights.

Matze: But really hate that there are lots of Germans you say we aren't allowed to be pro-german. Someone says he is proud to be German, the Greens and the SPD says he isn't allowed to say that because it's racist.

Being pro-German has nothing to do with the "I'm proud to be German"-remark. This remark is a double-sided sword and completely useless. Personally, I have never seen why I should be proud for being born here. I'm proud of my achievements because I worked hard and stood up again after one or two times of being dire straits, unemployeed. But it is not my effort to be German. I am because I was born here. When Westerwelle said he was "proud to be a German" I wondered what he really wanted to say. "It is o.k. to be German", perhaps - or maybe "Isn't it great to having this high standard of living here?". Fine, agreed ... but "proud to be German" - nonsense and risky because Nazis (the real ones) always stress the same.

If someone owns a German Flag, they say he is a racist.
Huh, since when? A stone's throw from my flat is the German Bundestag with 4 (four!) flags on the roof and several others in front of ministries. People who go to sports festivals carry flags with them and no one is labeled "Nazi".

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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 1:54 am

tight, tighter, German election.

Great success for the greens, failure for the SPD (THANKS HERTA), CDU biggest fraction, FDP lost badly (hahahaha 18%, huh?), PDS out.

Will be a breath-taking night, I hope that the SPD will get many Überhangmandate in the east like in '98, that could rescure Red/green.

Matt, I learned the national anthem in school, if you're not learning it, blame BAVARIA and the CSU as education is "Ländersache" - I was in school in Hessen when the SPD was in the government, and I learned all 3 parts of the anthem.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:00 am

Last seats projections (TSR): SPD/Greens: 301, CDU-CSU/FDP: 297
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:35 am

I am scared for our Schroeder friends! That horrible Stiober man was on this evening talking about champagne and thanking people. I was less than enthused.

At 1957Uhr, Das Erste says it's 37.9 for Schroeder vs. 39% for horrible (IMO).

I want to understand this news ticker, but my German isn't good enough even though I got A* in the exam.

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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:12 am

ARD = tie between red/green and CDU/FDP/PDS
ZDF = red/green 302 seats
RTL = red/green 304 seats

You need 301 seats for the majority

(usually 598 but the PDS got 2 direct-votes)
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:15 am

I think that Red-Green made it, thanks God!!!

Patrick
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:17 am

Looks good for Schröder/Fischer now !

*** Hochrechnung 21.14 Uhr: SPD 38,3%, Union 38,3%, Grüne 8,8%, FDP 7,2%, PDS, 4,1% ***


Seats in the Bundestag:

SPD 247 (+5 Überhangmandate (what's the english word?))
CDU 247
Green 57
FDP 47
PDS 2

Forschungsgruppe Wahlen says 5 "Überhangmandate" for the SPD, that would be the final decision. (for understanding the German election system (which is quite good if you ask me), check this article at CNN.com)

Go Gerd, Go Joschka!

Amazing result for the Greens, and my home state of Hessen voted 40% SPD 11% Greens - good news for the state elections next february.

The results in Germany for the CDU were not that good, expect bavaria. Stoiber got damn 61% there.

 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:33 am

I agree, really an amazing result for the Greens! I am so glad that Adolf "Hillbilly" Stoiber will be not our new chancellor.

Patrick

Btw, Matt86: I just read your opinion about the http://www.achse-des-boesen.de website in the thread "Germany more pro Arab than the Arab League?". What a shame that someone have an opinion like that.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 4:57 am

IMO, one more reason why the SPD lost so many votes: rain

NRW/Niedersachen/Berlin: SPD stronghold - rain
Baden-Württemberg/Bavaria: CDU/CSU stronghold - no rain



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Racko

Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:20 am

Racko: Looks good for Schröder/Fischer now !

It´ll be close. But at least a black/yellow coalition looks pretty unlikely by now.


Racko: Forschungsgruppe Wahlen says 5 "Überhangmandate" for the SPD, that would be the final decision. (for understanding the German election system (which is quite good if you ask me), check this article at CNN.com)

The only thing that sucks (methodically) is the omission of compensation seats for the other parties when one party wins "extension seats" (I don´t think the literal translation "hangover seats" really gets the job done  Wink/being sarcastic). Several state election laws have compensation seats, the federal election law doesn´t. Interesting factoid in this context: The SPD actually sued against this omission, but lost and might actually benefit from that previous defeat this time...


Racko: Go Gerd, Go Joschka!

Yes!  Big thumbs up


Racko: Amazing result for the Greens, and my home state of Hessen voted 40% SPD 11% Greens - good news for the state elections next february.

I´ve noticed that myself with grim satisfaction. (Just fighting back nausea... Koch is on TV right now... at least Gabriel will probably shut him up good.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )


Racko: The results in Germany for the CDU were not that good, expect bavaria. Stoiber got damn 61% there.

Simple: Brainwashing.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:09 am

Let us pray for the Red/Greens! (I know what that means now  Big thumbs up)

Das Erste website has changed.

I think it says 38.3 for Sch, 38.5 for Stoi, 6.8 for Greens and 7.4 for FDU.

@ 2038 / 1938UK / 1838GMT.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:11 am

http://wahl.tagesschau.de/newsticker/choice.html

At 2227 Uhr (DE time)

It's still 38.2% for SPD, 39.1% for CDUCSU, 8.5% for Green, 7.4% for FDU

= 46.7% for the people I support
= 46.5% for the people I don;t.

PDS have 3.8% and Others have 3.0%.

Oooh so close.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:15 am

In East Germany,

39.3%, 4.3% for Schroeder Coalition
28.6%, 6.3% for the other one.
17.3% for PDS (who are they?)

In West Germany

36.8%, 9.7% for Sch. Coalition.
41.4%, 8.1% for the other one.
1.1%, 2.9% for PDS and others - Boo!

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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:18 am

Argh. An automatic update.

At 2312 Uhr, Hochrechnung.

SPD = 38.2% (-0.1% from 2038)
CDU / CSU = 38.9% (+0.4% from 2038)
Green = 8.5% (+1.7% from 2038)
FDP = 7.3% (-0.1% from 2038)
PDS = 4.0%
Andere = 3.1%

Green Red = 46.7%
THe other = 46.2%

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Singapore_Air

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:42 am

Singapore_Air: 17.3% for PDS (who are they?)

They´re the successors of the former SED, the communist ruling party of the old GDR. They are trying to keep as many of their former voters as possible; But it seems they´re fading, fast.

The PDS presents itself as somewhat-left-of-the-SPD, not as a diehard communist party; But especially their foreign policy ideas are unacceptable for all other parties, so they´ve got no chance to get into government.
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:54 am

Update from Das Erste.

SPD = 38.4% (+0.2% from 2312, +0.1% from 2038)
CDU / CSU = 38.6% (-0.3% from 2312, +0.1% from 2038)
Greens = 8.6% (+0.1% from 2312, +1.8% from 2038)
FDP = 7.3% (+-0.0% from 2312, -0.1% from 2038)
PDS = 4.0%
Andere = 3.1%

Green Red = 47.0% (+0.3% from 2312)
THe other = 45.9% (-0.3% from 2312)

Hochrechnung at 2345Uhr.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:33 am

I am still hoping for CDU. All the red green coalition wil do is more taxes, more useless laws more social security.
Also they rescued MobilCom which was a big no-no.

Another thing why is there that law that u cannnot lay off people?? It makes the economy slow and workers arent there where they are needed.

Tom
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:58 am

This is great! Nice job Herta! You ugly, old, senile hag! Actually I really am happy, I just saw an article projecting the election to Stoiber. Down with the Socialist entity! I cant believe that some of you actually voted for the Greens, they were the same people protesting the US presence in Germany during the cold war, and keeping West Germany safe.
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:28 am

Avion: I am still hoping for CDU. All the red green coalition wil do is more taxes, more useless laws more social security.

Actually, the red/green government is lowering taxes for the first time; The record increases in taxation took place during the conservative Kohl administration.

Strange but true.  Wink/being sarcastic


Avion: Also they rescued MobilCom which was a big no-no.

That´s debatable, indeed; Although France Telecom´s role in the whole affair didn´t look too bright, either.


Avion: Another thing why is there that law that u cannnot lay off people?? It makes the economy slow and workers arent there where they are needed.

Yeah, that one has taken on a life of its own in conservative mythology. Of course you can fire employees. There just are several rules about it. Some financial, some procedural. Most of these have contributed to the relatively stable social environment. It´s not all just stagnation.


Jcs17: This is great! Nice job Herta! You ugly, old, senile hag! Actually I really am happy, I just saw an article projecting the election to Stoiber. Down with the Socialist entity!

Ahem... Sorry to burst your bubble, but "we" have actually made it! There seems to be a relatively stable majority for red/green. The SPD will even remain the largest faction in the Bundestag.

Again... so sorry!  Big thumbs up


Jcs17: I cant believe that some of you actually voted for the Greens, they were the same people protesting the US presence in Germany during the cold war, and keeping West Germany safe.

Why can´t you stop falling into the same old trap over and over again? Even back then it was a dispute about policy, not about nationality.

Germans are still deeply sympathetic for America(ns), but at this moment also deeply critical of Bush´s policies. I´ve heard of americans who appear to see it quite the same way...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:07 am

Klaus-

I just disagree very much with the Greens anti-US policy during the Cold War, and not appreciating what we did for them. They wanted us out! Not realizing that West Germany could have become very unstable without the U.S. presence during that point in time. I'm just disagreeing with the Greens viewpoint, its not about nationality. However, the people who are deeply critical of Bush's policy are mainly radicals, most Democrats approve of Bush's policies.
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Jcs17

Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:59 am

Jcs17: I just disagree very much with the Greens anti-US policy during the Cold War, and not appreciating what we did for them.

They´ve changed quite a bit since their "wild youth". But still, appreciation of the past is one thing; Criticism of current tactics is another.


Jcs17: I'm just disagreeing with the Greens viewpoint, its not about nationality.

I didn´t say it was; You did!


Jcs17: However, the people who are deeply critical of Bush's policy are mainly radicals, most Democrats approve of Bush's policies.

Okay, I´m done rolling on the floor and laughing my ass off. Big grin

Stop (figuratively) shooting every dissenter on sight and you´d be surprised about how differentiated the picture will become all of a sudden...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 11:18 am

They wanted us out! Not realizing that West Germany could have become very unstable without the U.S. presence during that point in time.

Yes, pretty immature. However, they got their votes mostly because of "green" themes not because of their "Germany-out-of-NATO"-attitude. And as far as I can recall that was around the time when the U.S. administration was friend with Iraq. As you can clearly see: The times they are a-changin'.

However, the people who are deeply critical of Bush's policy are mainly radicals, most Democrats approve of Bush's policies.

*LOLOLOL* You don't actually believe THAT? Big grin

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RE: General Election In Germany

Mon Sep 23, 2002 11:19 am

Klaus--

Airliners.net is not exactly the most accurate place to get the sentiment about the current American political scene. When it comes to foreign policy/the war on Iraq though, Bush has the support of most in both parties. Of course, being in Germany, you arent exactly going to hear the news of Democrats agreeing with Bush's policies, instead you will hear one of the few dissenters of Bush making a stupid comment. Bush's "Decision Bill", which grants him a wide variety of leeway in terms of making decisions during a war with Iraq is expected to easily pass through Congress and the House.

As for the German election though, I am deeply disturbed that Shroeder (sorry about the lack of an accent, I'm using an English keyboard) won the election. But Herta's comments were just disgusting and really show how far U.S-German relations have sunk.
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