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What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:38 pm

I am intrested in what the negative or positive things you have heard about Jews are. Allso, for each of these things I wonder if you think they are true or not. Have you been taught anything about the Jews that you don't agree with... or you agree with but many people don't? Or perhaps you have your own oppinions.

I'll start:

Jews are cheap - no more tha anyone else IMHO.

Jews are very closed minded - the very relligious ones yes, but so are any super-relligious people.
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:48 pm

Well, sadly, there's plenty of negative stereo types among the ones you listed above. Like...

Jews have horns - No clue where this came from, but sadly still believed in parts of the world, even in Europe by some very backwards, close minded people.

Somebody Jewish looks Jewish - I get this all the time, because I don't look Jewish to somebody. I'll tell them I'm Jewish and they say "What, you're Jewish?"

Jews are thieves and scoundrels - This has been used to scapegoat the Jews into the worlds problems, perfect example, Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for Germany's economic problems after WWI because the Jews were managing to stay afloat economically while the rest of Germany was in shambles.


Yet there are good things about Jews that are "known"...

Jews have good economic sense - I tend to believe this one. It goes hand in hand with the stereotype above. Jews have historically been the ones involved with money, banking, trading, etc. That's what's gotten them persecuted, but what has also brought them such great success, i.e. the incredibly fast growth of the state of Israel economically.

Jews are always ready to help - Whenever something bad happens around the world (natural disaster, plane crash, terrorist attack), Jewish medical teams from Israel and other places are always there and typically some of the first foreign groups on location.
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:48 pm

Jews are very closed minded - the very relligious ones yes, but so are any super-relligious people.

I disagree with that entirely. Most civil libertarians or members or the ACLU are Jewish and they can hardly be classified as "closed-minded". Secondly, over 50% of the Jewish population in the U.S. marries someone of another faith. The Jewish population in the U.S. is expected to decline by 2 million over the next two decades. The inter-fath marriage rates of Jews in other Western countries are much, much lower.

Here's a few other beauties:

Jews have big noses
Jews are rich
Jews are good students
Jews are frugal with their money (relates to cheap, I guess)
Jewish women are nasty-looking.
Jews make good businessman
Jews are not afraid to die
Jews are stubborn
Single Jewish men make the best catches
Chinese girls LOVE Jewish guys
Jews and Blacks don't get along
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:58 pm

Jewish women are nasty-looking

Hey now, hey now, what do you say to this then?





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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:04 pm

Jews and Blacks don't get along

I disagree with that stereotype too, because of personal experience. My roommate and great friend is black, so pssshht to that statement.

Chinese girls LOVE Jewish guys

I dunno, probably is true  Laugh out loud One of my good friends in HS was Chinese, and three of her best friends were white, jewish guys (including myself). She never dated any of us, but she would joke around with it.

Jews are stubborn

Well sure, this works. That is, if you are a middle-aged Jewish mother, and you love to give guilt trips, then it applies.  Laugh out loud
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:29 pm

Tbar220:

Please stop posting Natalie Portman pictures as it makes me overly excited.
As for Jews bing closed minded... most Jews (including myself) I know are not. However almost all of the Hasidic people I know are.

People actually think we have horns??? That's funny.

In HS all, and I mean ALL, of my girlfreinds were Chineese. And more than one commented that they like Jewish guys.

As for single men being good catches, I'd like to think that is true. Ladies, I'm available.  Big grin

Jews not being afraid to die??? I never heard that one!!! Elaborate please.

As for Jews and blacks not getting along... I don't see this at all. A rather significan percentge of my close freinds are black. Other than Louis Farakhan and company... I don't think that's true.

Big noses...? Well, you know what they say? Big noses mean big feet, and big feet mean...  Big grin OK. They don't actually say that... but wouldn't it be nice if they did.


One major problem I face is my parents thinking my desired career and hobbies (I plant to go into the US Air Force and I like to fly) are unbecoming of a Jew... so annoying.




 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:55 pm

Flyboy36y - agree with you re the Natalie Portman pix!  Big grin Big grin

My sister is Jewish (she converted when she got married) and as she's Scottish as well you'd think that getting money out of her would be a real uphill task! Big grin Not at all though ... she's very generous.

Personally, I have never encountered any stereotypes about anyone that are 100% true - you have good and bad in every colour, race, creed and nationality. Heck, I even have some non-crooked Nigerian friends!  Big grin Big grin

Perhaps you guys could answer this ... how accurate are the Jewish mother stereotypes?
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:20 pm

It's always interesting to hear negative stereotypes about Jews. I grew up in a very religious Christian family, and so therefore was never taught any of these things about Jews. Maybe because we're black, I don't know, as some people say the blacks and the Jews get along well, but I only started hearing negative stereotypes when I started college.

Growing up we were never close to any Jews, I certainly didn't have any Jewish friends, but we had absolutely no hostility towards them as we were always taught they were the "Chosen Ones". I remember seeing the film Return to Sobibor as a child and crying at the end, as I couldn't understand why the Nazis hated the Jews, and why they sent them to concentration camps. I simply had no concept of anti-Semiticism. I had no idea what it was, nor could I explain it.

In college most of my friends were Jews, and I even had no idea until my second or third year. I had no idea what a Jew looked like, and it wasn't until I found out about the last name thing that I sat and counted and realized almost all my friends were Jewish. That was quite shocking actually. I never had any problems with them whatsoever, and we got along great. It never occured to me to dislike them because they were Jewish, and I never understood this way of thinking.

Here in Vienna, as you can imagine, being Jewish is a touchy subject. I suspect a good friend of mine here is anti-Semitic, but he'd never come right out and say it. Some other friends have related very anti-Semitic experiences in Europe to me, but I myself have never seen any such thing overtly. Perhaps it's because Europeans, unlike Americans, tend to avoid direct confrontation, and even if they're racist/anti-Semitic, they're much more likely to keep it to themselves.
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:35 pm

Love Jews but I couldn't eat a whole one !
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:41 pm

The only dofference between me and a jew is that you are from another religion, in my opinion what religion you are does not really matter . Last time I checked Jews dont have a different color blood or super pwers they are just normal human beings that by the way have a very delicious and creative cusine.
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:09 pm

some more

all jews hate jews who marry non-jews
the jews are pooling their money together in a zionist plot to take over the world all jews are israelis and all israelis are jews(you would be surprised the number of people who think this)
jews suddenly appeared in the middle east in 1948
the jews killed jesus
the jews are weak, the jews dont resist

and then

the jews faxed the holocaust
the jews deserved the holocaust
jewish men like to get their wicked way with young jewish girls
jewish men are seedy
all jews smell funny
the jews invented hanakkauh because they didnt like christmas

to name but a few things i have heard

the one thing i do know is that the jewish race is vibrant rich in culture and is a force for good, not evil.
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:11 pm

Regarding the Jews have horns myth, it is fairly well-documented. The entire basis for the myth comes from one word/sentence in the old testament. I am not sure of the exact passage, but when Moses is talking to G-d, rays of light were emitted from Moses head. However, the hebrew word for "rays of light" also means "horns", and so the entire myth is based on one mistranslation.
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:18 pm

The Jews are perhaps the greatest contributors to open mindedness, civil liberties, civil rights, scientific, academic, literary and musical achievements in the United States. For a community that is only about 5 million strong in the US, not enough can be said about their overall achievements.

Plus, I love passover meals !
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:13 am

jewish men like to get their wicked way with young jewish girls

Funny you should mention that. My former wife had a problem with her father this way. Than man used to do all sorts of awful things like that to her quite regularly when she was between 6 and 8 years old. Amazed people like that are allowed to not die horrible deaths for it. The funny thing is that they happened to be J's too.


As for Natalie Portman, she's Jewish? I didn't know that. She doesn't look Jewish, lol. Ok,
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:45 am

First of all, nice to keep this a clean topic.

below is a conglomerate of what I've read thus far and want to comment on. Most of you may know I am recently engaged to a Jewish woman. I've got a decent idea of Judaism is like.

Jews have big noses- nonsense
Jews are rich- finanial independence is independent of religion
Jews are good students - if they study
Jews are frugal with their money- Not always. besides, frugal is better.
Jewish women are nasty-looking. Not the ones I've met.  Wink/being sarcastic
Jews make good businessman -nonesense
Jews are stubborn - so are American haitians of scottish decent, like me. load of crap
all jews hate jews who marry non-jews- we'll deal with the the world as it comes. I have not seen this yet.
the jews killed jesus- partially true- The romans killed him at the request of Jews in the crowd however Jc WAS a JEW, so why the nonsense?

I am sorry to hear about all the other garbage posted above that you guys have heard. Having dated her for 5 years and knowing her family, it's all absurd.

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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:52 am

For some of you who've ever made disparaging comments about Jewish women's looks:

Lauren Bacall, Yasmin Bleeth, Winona Ryder, Alicia Silverstone... all Jewish.

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Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:54 am

Jews and Blacks don't get along
Detroit
Lakewood, NJ
Boro Park, NY
Crown Heights, NY

Jews make good businessman
Well there are tons of laws in the Shulchan Aruch (Jewish code of law) about proper business. Of course some people don't listen to religious law.

all jews hate jews who marry non-jews
It depends. With someone like you, Mirrodie where you agreed to raise the kids Jewish, and since you are not the woman in the relationship (that sounds weird- judaism is passed on through the mother), its not bad. But when someone marries a non-jew and doesn't keep the Jewishness going, that's not cool. However there are plenty of Jews who know less about Judaism than non-Jews do.

Jews not being afraid to die???
Only for the name of G-d. Dying for your religion is one of the greatest things you can do. All your sins get erased.

 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:55 am

There are plenty of other amazingly sexy human beings that are Jewish... Winona Ryder is is actually Winona Horiwitz, and then at the other end of the scale we have Woody Allen and Barbara Streisand.... and Greenspan is quite a looker too..

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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:29 am

Jews are astonishingly successful for such a small number of people. One thing that does concern me about their activity is how it is frowned upon for a Jewish woman to marry outside of Judaism. If the woman is happy who cares about silly laws. These strict regulations are almost as bad as those perpetrated against women by the Taliban. Religion should never be a factor in determining who somebody can or cannot marry - maybe Judaism needs to modernise like Christianity has in order to reflect this.
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:43 am

Artsyman-

Woody Allen was a very big Jewish Anti-Semite. for one of his films he staged a nazi rally in a jewish community to get their reactions.

We've outlived the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Hittites, Greeks, Romans, etc.
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:46 am

Last I checked, the Egyptians, Romans, & Greeks are still there, lub
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:55 am

As far as I know, the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Hittites, Egyptians and their descendants are still very much alive and well.

Lubcha, this is not a competition. This is about accepting and respecting the right of each person to life and liberty, not to "outlive" them. It is precisely such misguided beliefs in superiority that has led to the destruction of millions.
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 4:46 am

Any Jews who became Protestants?
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:26 am

Ryanb741, most of that has to do with the population issue, as the Jewish population is decreasing due to intermarriage, and so there is an emphasis on finding a Jewish spouse. However, the statement you mentioned should, according to our beliefs, actually be the other way around. It should be tha MEN who are looked down upon for marrying outside of the Jewish faith, for according to Jewish law, the "bloodline" or "religion" is passed through the mother. Therefore, if a Jewish girl marries a gentile, and the two have kids, the children are "technically" jewish by birth. It would not be the same way with a Jewish man and a gentile female, unless the mother has converted or the child was converted at birth.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:35 am

tbh, I couldn't care less about Jews. I don't want to know about them, what they do or don't do, and I don't care. Nobody cares what an Atheist like me does, not many people think about us except that we have no morals (apparently).

I don't like people who really go over the top though, its alright following a religion but I hate seeing all those people at the Elal desks in LHR...... blaaaaaaaaaa

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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:20 am

You don't like seeing people at an airline desk?
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:47 am

The two that kills me most are:

All Jews are rich- Not always true. It's more like, all Jews tend to make a living. My family is not rich by US standards. We are more like middle class, not upper.

Jews have horns- I have looked in the mirror and felt the top of my head several times and have not found any horns up there.

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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:57 am

Guess not, they have a religion, duh.  Wow!

These strict regulations are almost as bad as those perpetrated against women by the Taliban.

I cannot believe that you even come close to even making some sort of connection to the Taliban. Don't you find that just a little of a stretch? First of all, Jewish population in the world is decreasing. There's more Jews in America than there are in Israel for one. And among a group of people where their numbers are decreasing, because of inter-marriage, something like inter-marriage will be frowned upon.

Example? My family. My mother would detest it if I were to marry anybody non-Jewish. Date, sure, but marry, big no no. Why? I guess its a pride thing. Also, all my Dad's side of the family died in the holocaust, along with millions of other Jews (duh). So there's this mentality to keep the views and religion strong and going, which I think is fine.

But of course, that puts me in a dillemma. Sure I've fallen for girls who aren't Jewish, but then what do I do? Go against my parents wishes? Also kinda causes problems for me, because I'm proud to be Jewish. Its causes problems, and I don't like it.

Theres going to be those that say "See what religion does to your life? It sucks! Religion is a bad thing." My response to that, I like my religion. I'm happy with it, it adds to my life, and I'm willing to face any of the problems that it brings to me in my life.

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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 8:01 am

I have friends who are Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, who's parents also frown upon intermarriage. Is this the general view of the given religions?
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 8:05 am

AZO - No!!!!  Laugh out loud

What I mean is, you probably haven't seen it at LHR, and they all stand their in the most elaborate dress code you've ever seen, with the giant beards and coats and the hats and funny hair styles. I don't do loads of crazy stuff like that and neither do most Jews or Christians or Hindu's (in other countries anyway) so I don't see why they need to.

Oh well!
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 8:49 am

Good point Hepkat.

I'm a semite of Assyrian descent. We're all semites and we're all well and alive. We still speak Aramaic till this day.
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 10:27 am

I think what Lubcha ment to say was that Jewish civilization has outlived most of ther civilizations and empires of the past: The Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, Egypt, Babylon they all rose to be magnificent ancient civilizations but eventually lost their glory and crumbled, yet the Jewish people have managed to survive relatively intact. To elaborate, how many Egyptians still believe in the gods that represented the ancient Egyptian or Greco-Roman civilizations. The Jewish people have proven to be quite enduring.
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 10:48 am

Here's a post that some of you may find interesting, it's about the Aramaic language:

http://members.aol.com/assyrianme/aramaic/aramaic.html
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:14 am

Indeed, and Hebrew is one of the oldest living, spoken languages today as well. It is the language of the Torah, which is nearly 2000 years old. At one point it wasn't used anymore by Jews as the spoken language, instead Aramaic being used. But then with the Zionist movement and Jews returning to Israel, Hebrew was revived and is now a living, thriving language. Most interesting in my opinion.
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:18 am

"The Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, Egypt, Babylon they all rose to be magnificent ancient civilizations but eventually lost their glory and crumbled, yet the Jewish people have managed to survive relatively intact. "

I personally disagree with that.

While its true these empires crumbled the jewish empire never existed on a scale like that. There was no "All roads lead to Jerusalem" I dont see how Israel still atains its glory or where the glory came from. Intact? Yea thats why Jews were spread all over europe.....hardly intact. Everyone of those empires descendants managed to survive.

To me personally the Greek and the Roman empires made the greatest leap into modern technology and thought.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:10 pm

No offense to Mrs. Portman, but she works out at my fiance's gym and she looks like any other normal lady.

They live on Long Island.

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Sat Sep 28, 2002 12:57 pm

In her book The Happy Hooker, Xaveira Hollander, who is Jewish herself, said that while Jewish men were among her most loyal customers, they also formed a disproportionately high percentage of those who were into so-called "freak scenes."
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:52 pm

I have accepted and embraced the fact that I wil marry a non-jew (probably an asian or hispanic). My parents hate me for it.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:15 pm

LOT, I never said there was a "Jewish Empire" its not the point of who brought the greatest leaps to mankind or who controlled the most territory, I wasn't making that argument. The point was Jewish civilization still exists ,a people who have witnessed the rise and fall of history's greatest empires, all the while while surviving the trials of time.
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:47 pm

Flyboy: Right on!  Big thumbs up I'm into Hispanics and Asians too! We should seriously go headhunting some time!
 
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RE: What Do You Know/think About The Jews?

Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:56 pm

I have a good friend who calls himself ethnically Jewish. Like a very large percentage of American Jews he didn't go to the synagogue very often. He refers to his family as a 3 times a year Jews attending on Yom Kipper, Passover, and Roshannah (sp). He got converted the old fashioned way (married a Catholic girl) and considers Jewish no different from being Irish or Italian.

He jokes that it was time for fresh blood in his family tree. He tells me that the genetic pool among certain groups of Jews is so interbred over the last 1000+ years that as a group they are more susceptible to certain diseases. Just like blacks and sickle cell anemia. He also said that the ghettos of Europe were set up by the Rabbis' hundreds of years ago in order to maintain Jewish culture and tradition. I don't know if what he says is true, and I don't really care. He is a nice guy. The funny thing is he still goes to the synagogue 3 times a year. He says it is like celebrating St. Patricks day if you are Irish descent, or Cinco de Mayo if you are of Mexican descent.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 4:29 pm

some jews are elitist, but i think that per capita, jews have contributed more to the success of the united states than any other ethnic group.

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