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Palestinian Passport?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:56 pm

Does someone know what kind of passport Palestinian people have? Obviously not an israelian passport, so what kind of travel document do they use when they have to travel? Are they free to travel or need a special authorization from Israel's authorities?
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 7:15 am

Australian Government site issues this as part of a warning for Australians not to travel to Israel...

Australians who may once have held a Palestinian identity card will not be allowed to enter Israel via Ben Gurion airport. Other Australians of Palestinian background or who are seeking to travel on the West Bank or the Gaza strip may also be refused entry.

Australians of Palestinian background are considered by the Israeli government to be Palestinian nationals whilst in the West Bank or Gaza. As such, they are not permitted to leave through Israel and must make arrangements to leave via Jordan or Egypt. However, in making these arrangements, they are required to hold a Palestinian passport. The introduction of checkpoints between towns makes movement to obtain the necessary documents extremely difficult, making departure from the West Bank or Gaza by anyone not already holding a Palestinian passport almost impossible.


Which effectively says that there is such a thing as Palestinian passports. It also states very clearly that an ex-pat Palestinian travelling on an Australian passport (from memory you cannot hold an Aussie passport and one of another country), the Israelis totally ignore your Aussie passport, classify you as Palestinian and refuse to allow you to leave the country because you lack a Palestinian passport.

What did we call that? Apatheid?

Nice to know that racism transcends intelligence......





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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:31 pm

VH-ADG, sound about right to me.

Palestinian refugees in Lebanon get a travel document that looks like Lebanese passport but on the cover it doesn't say Lebanon, it says Palestinian Resident Of Lebanon or some similar clarification. If you're Palestinian and want to travel you need a passport from the country in which you have refugee status ie Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon.
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 8:16 pm

"Which effectively says that there is such a thing as Palestinian passports"

The only part of ADG's post that has any kind of value.

"It also states very clearly that an ex-pat Palestinian travelling on an Australian passport (from memory you cannot hold an Aussie passport and one of another country), the Israelis totally ignore your Aussie passport, classify you as Palestinian and refuse to allow you to leave the country because you lack a Palestinian passport."

And they would know that you are an "ex-pat Palestinian" (what the hell is that?) how?

AFAIK, you need a passport to make any kind of international travel with rare exceptions. Not in your book I guess. Go ahead, keep accusing Egypt and Jordan of racism...

"What did we call that? Apatheid?"

Hopefuly not, sounds kinda dumb. As for Apartheid, did Black South Africans have their own autonomy? Did the Whites suffer from widespread terrorism over the span of 5 decades originating from essentially the very same place (which no one has the right to occupy to protect themselves, of course)?

"Palestinian refugees in Lebanon get a travel document that looks like Lebanese passport but on the cover it doesn't say Lebanon, it says Palestinian Resident Of Lebanon or some similar clarification"

Only the tip of the iceberg...

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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 9:55 pm

OO-AOG,

Let me answer directly to your question.
The Palestinians in the GS and WB have a ‘Palestinian Authority Passport’.

When they pass the Israeli border with Jordan or Egypt (in any direction) they pass an Israeli security check.
I don’t think they needed an Israeli permission to leave or re-enter before the Intifada (but I can be wrong here) but today it is another story of course.


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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:41 am

yeah that briefing on whatever Australian site you pulled that up from is bullshit. its complete bullshit.

my professor right here at cornell, is a Palestinian refugee who lived in outside Nablus until 1967 when his family fled to Jordan, Canada, and then the US. He became an American citizen, but travels back to Israel and the Palestinian Authority often and without impunity.

Palestinians who are full citizens of countries that are not enemies of Israel, can travel freely to Israel.

 
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:43 am

For godsakes, Jordan is like 85% Palestinian, and EL AL operates flights between Ben Gurion and Amman, and it isn't only for the one in 6.5 Jordanians who can claim Hashemite backgrounds.

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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:43 am

yeah that briefing on whatever Australian site you pulled that up from is bullshit. its complete bullshit.

You'll pardon me if I take the word of the Australian Foreign Affairs Department with it's Embassy in Tel Aviv before I take your word. After all, you've got a vested interst. They don't.

You're professer travels on an American passport, do I need to point out to you that it's not an Australian passport therefore you are in not in the position to comment on the accuracy or lack thereof of the statements made by the Australian Foreign Affairs Department. Indeed, the two issues are mutually exclusive so I can't even see the reason for posting it ...

s who are full citizens of countries that are not enemies of Israel, can travel freely to Israel.

Actually, you have no idea what you're talking about .. using America (read: Israels cash cow) as an example is hardly indicative of anything at all now is it? After all, it wouldn't make sense to piss off the country that you owe your very existance to now is it?

Just goes to show how far you will go to protect your beloved Israel, to the point of blatent dishonesty. (also goes to prove the statement that some people have no idea what goes on outside their limited borders).


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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 8:02 am

" it wouldn't make sense to piss off the country that you owe your very existance to now is it?"

BTW, did you ever say that the only reason Israel has won all of its conflicts with the Arabs is because of the United States' support, or something to that extent?

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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 8:03 am

Do you know Israel and Lebanon is fighting over a 5 foot wide stream? What a bunch of losers  Sad

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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 9:25 am

yeah, i guess the idea of fighting over the precious commodity of water in the dessert is lost on you. what a surprise  Nuts

 
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:27 am

LY744 and TWANeedsNoHelp are two of the most pro-Israel cheerleaders on the forum, and although there have been some good calm threads on the subject of the Middle East, it's interesting that our Zionist friends (and they are, for better or for worse, our friends) froth at the mouth and accuse the Australian gov't of "complete bullshit" when it comes to the subject of Palestinian travel opportunities and (god forbid) Palestinian passports.

Excuse me but how dare you make such accusations against a western, hugely pro-US (and by extension pro-Israel) nation because what they say is embarrassing to you and your co-religionists. I, like ADG, think Australia (with an embassy in Tel Aviv) would know better about travel eligability for Palestinian-Australians than someone in Kansas who thinks TWA need no help.

Look, there's tonnes of great things about Judaism and probably Israel too, but it's apartheid so admit to it or end it.
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:48 am

yeah that briefing on whatever Australian site you pulled that up from is bullshit. its complete bullshit.


Sorry Russ, but the US STATE DEPARTMENT has issued exactly the same warning to US CITIZENS who are former Palestinian nationals.

I quote from http://travel.state.gov/israel_westbank_gaza.html :

American citizens of Palestinian origin who were born on the West Bank or Gaza or resided there for more than three months, may be considered by Israeli authorities to be residents, especially if they or their parents were issued a Palestinian ID number. Any American citizen whom Israel considers to be a resident is required by Israel to hold a valid Palestinian passport to enter or leave the West Bank or Gaza via Israel, the Gaza International Airport, or the Rafah or Allenby Bridge border crossing. American citizens in this category who arrive without a Palestinian passport will generally be granted permission to travel to the West Bank or Gaza to obtain one, but may only be allowed to depart via Israel on a Palestinian passport rather than on their U.S. passport.

Is the US Government also full of bullshit? Watch your words buddy, 'cos sometimes you get to eat 'em.
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:05 pm

And they would know that you are an "ex-pat Palestinian" (what the hell is that?) how?

Israel maintains a database of all Palestinian residents who have been issued PINs and screen all arriving passengers at Ben Gurion through that. If your name comes up, regardless of your current nationality, you will be detained and/or deported. Airlines operating to TLV usually submit their pax manifests to Israel for approval a few days before the flight so they can deny boarding to Palestinians in advance rather than be on the hook for repatriation costs.
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:14 pm

But what about Palestinian's who are not citizens of other countries? I know two girls here who are students (my friend is trying to set me up with one of them  Big thumbs up) and they live in the West Bank and go back there each summer. What travel documents do they use to come back and forth to the U.S.? As far as their mode of transportation, I think they fly directly to TLV. Also, Seeds of Peace is an organization based here in New York that brings Palestinian and Israeli students to New York for a summer. These students are from either Israel or the Palestinian territories. I know for a fact that they use El Al to fly back (because I saw them board the plane) to TLV. Again, what documents would they use to travel here?
 
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RE: Palestinian Passport?

Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:42 pm

But what about Palestinian's who are not citizens of other countries? What travel documents do they use to come back and forth to the U.S.?

The US State Department recognizes passports issued by the Palestinian Authority as valid travel documents for purpose of entering the United States.

The official note about this is reproduced below :

The Department has determined that the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a competent authority for passport-issuing purposes as defined in INA 101(a)(30), but the U.S. does not recognize the PA as a "foreign government". Visa applications for categories A-1, A-2, A-3, C-3, G-1, and G-2 made by bearers of Palestinian Authority Passports must be submitted to the Department for an advisory opinion. Requests should be slugged for CA/VO/L/A and NEA/IAI. G-3 and G-5 visas may be issued to bearers of Palestinian Authority documents who are employed by foreign governments (i.e. not the Palestinian Authority), or who are the immediate family members, attendants or personal employees of accredited officials of foreign governments.
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