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Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:30 am

Hi

Just watched a bit of the news tonight on BBC1, and they were again talking about the British government's stance towards Iraq. Blair seems to have given the strongest signs yet, that if Britain had to choose between America and the UN, it would back America, and it's solution to the WMD problem in Iraq.

I would be interested in reading people's opinions on whether they think Britain is acting prudently, or whether Britain's approach is mistaken.

Don't forget, and it has to be said, that Britain has a tremendous amount to gain, in all sorts of ways, from backing America to the hilt.

I'm sure most Americans would be happy at this. I would especially like comments from non-Americans and non-British people (although I would love to read EVERYONE's comments, no matter where they live). For example, I know some Europeans might not like this close relationship.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.......this is to be a good-natured debate, please don't make offensive or generalizing comments, if anyone does, the best policy is to argue back reasonably, or just ignore the poster.

Looking forward to reading your thoughts!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:37 am

The United States is a former British colony, many Brits make a home in the US. Many Americans make a home in the UK, the US and UK both speak English, most American towns are named after towns in the UK.

For instance I live in NEW jersey, Monmouth County, the County over is Middlesex, the NEW ENGLAND Patriots won the Super Bowl Last year.

It was discovered recently that President Bush is a relative of the Late Princess Dianna.

Of course there's going to be close ties, just as there are close ties with the UK and it's other English speaking colonies like Canada , Australia etc.
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 8:47 am

I feel our position with America is great. Supporting a war with Iraq doesn't mean we're getting too close, we've always been close. Blair believes in his views passionately on Iraq, i'm sure he won't be commiting the lives British soldiers if he didn't believe his views strongly. The British-American relationship is one of the world most special relations in international politics, i can't think of two other countries who share the same views,culture,history and beliefs as much as the US and UK.
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 11:07 am

Also the US and UK are the most powerful contries in the WORLD.
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:32 pm

Taking a stand is what has made the US and the UK great countries, and I believe Blair is doing what is best for the UK, as well as what he feels is best for the world in general.

The US really does need more support from the world, and I hope countries aren't protesting because they just don't like the US
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:43 pm

A country is only as independent as its foreign policy. So Britain stopped being independent a long time ago.

Under Tony Blair, things have sunk to a new low, with the British Foreign Office becoming a loudspeaker for the Americans.

Pathetic.

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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:27 pm

I agree with Indianguy. I think the Americans are wrong to call for the overthrow of any head of state who hasn't threatened a neighbour. The consequences of military action will be disastrous. And hard to condemn, I mean, if the Americans attack Iraq and kill 10,000 Iraqis in the process, and a terrorist attack in the US kills 10,000 Americans, who is wrong in this scenario?

What's scary is that if Blair puts the UK in the firing line, some of the 10,000 killed in terrorist attack/s could be British. Not a single one will die for any good reason. It's just kill kill kill and blow stuff up to distract Americans from a rapidly deflating economy, and drag the Brits in to make it look like a coalition.

I don't support it and if the UK goes to war against a foreign nation without a UN mandate I'll consider moving to a more responsibly run country. No exaggeration. This just isn't on.
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:58 pm

I think that Blair is too close to America and is looking more and more like Dubya's poodle, however I think that the UK will always stand along side the USA.

There is a growing unease in the UK at the way the 'rules' are being changed to suit Bush's policies. He has been shouting for months about how the weapons inspectors should be allowed back in Iraq and now that they have agreed there are suddenly more conditions. I wonder what the agenda really is.

The threat to ignore the UN is a serious worry and I doubt whether Blair would get away with it if he also took that stance. I will undoubtably put a stain on relations if Blair no longer took Bush's line but in the long term I would expect both countries to be there for each other.
 
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Wed Oct 02, 2002 7:29 pm

Whilst there is strong support here in the UK for an attack on Iraq as long as it is UN mandated, over 70% are opposed to it if Britain and the US were to go it alone.

As a democratic government is supposed to represent the views of its electorate, I think it would be fair to say that Blair would be unlikely to see a third term in office - and won't even see this one out, especially if body bags start arriving back in the UK.
 
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:29 am

In general foreign policy and defence, closer to the US, in the economic sphere, closer to Europe, as we've been in the EU for nearly 30 years.
Indianguy, the UK has plenty of disputes with the US, mostly economic via the EU, so about important things rather than ignorant religious fanaticism as with India and Pakistan.
But Bush and his zealots are maybe likely to create a breach with their strongest ally, their foreign policy being totally cack-handed.
Crunch time for Blair with Iraq, he's only kept his own party on side by emphasizing the UN.
Most people here have a problem not with the US, just the current administration, few are knee-jerk anti-American, but know if Blair stops totally supporting Bush he'll stop being such a great ally in an instant.
Politics here is different, transpose Blair on to the US political scene and he's a centre-left, pro-high social/health government spending, pro-tight gun control, pro-choice politician.
 
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RE: Is The UK Too Close To America? Yr. Opinion

Thu Oct 03, 2002 3:52 am

In general foreign policy and defence, closer to the US, in the economic sphere, closer to Europe, as we've been in the EU for nearly 30 years.

And for good reason. The U.K. was a superpower and fully understands the responsibility that comes with this title. The buck must stop somewhere. Someone must take the forefront if no one else is willing. Britain understands this, through hard learned lessons and battles fought.

Saddam isn't a peacenik, he will yield to unfettered and unconditional inspections only if he feels his regime are in genuine peril.

I don't want war, yet I feel the only way to avoid war now and worse problems in the future is to deal with this situation now, with a unified front. If major nations pander to Iraq, this will almost certainly result in war.
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