Ah .. it's another one of your incredible jumps of logic ...
Nope, it's an obvious implication. You support the suicide bombers. They belong to the islamic jihad.
Elaborate on this different plane issue. ADG, you don't know everything so come off your high horse. Terrorism has to be stopped, and it will be whether you agree or not.
Please point out where I support terrorism.
Hold it ADG, don't evade issues. I know you're good at doing that, but I want you to answer my question.
Don't teach me anything ADG, go educate yourself on the situation.
I couldn't teach you anything, your mind is closed which is unfortunate because you need education.
I'm at one of the most prestigious universities in the world ADG, so keep your opinions to yourself because you're the one in need of a proper education.
Wow, this sure helps your credibility ADG.
Well, it got the point across without breaching the rules of the forum Marco.
Or else what would you have done?
There are loads of Arabs and Muslims on this forum. Wrong assumption. Also, we hear their views everyday and you're not the Arab representative so it's not your duty to defend them.
So what are you actually saying here Marco, that all arabs and muslims are Palestinians
No, maybe I'll say it slllloooowwwwwwwwwerrrr so you can understand but all Arabs sympathesize with the Palestinians as do Muslims (Jerusalem).
or that you believe that arabs and muslims can speak on behalf of the Palestinians?
Just like you're doing for them, yes.
I don't defend them out of duty, I defend them because you and a few others in here are offensive in your ignorance of the issues in the middle east.
Quit insulting ADG. That just shows how immature/emotional you are. If you can't converse with someone with resorting to personal attacks then I'd recommend you don't participate at all.
Again you totally miss the point, is that deliberate?
Not as deliberate as you evading the ISSUES at hand.
As opposed to the Palestinian way of teaching their children to bomb Jews, to hate them and to kill them? Have you even seen what they teach these kids at school?
Is that somehow different from the Israelis teaching their children to kill and hate Palestinians?
A statement of ignorance. Israeli's are not taught that. Israeli's live with one million Israeli Arab Muslims. The Palestinians don't. That says enough.
Have you seen what happens to Paletinian children in their schools? Where they have had to cower under desks watching the contents of a schoolmates head spill out onto the floor around her after being hit in the head by an IDF bullet?
Have you seen the hundreds of kids being killed by suicide bombers? Shouldn't Israel have the right to defend themselves?
No Marco, I can quite categorically state that I have never been in that situation, and I hope that no one I know needs to be in that situation, including you.
I've never been in that situation, but it's been brought on to them by the acts of islamic extremists.
Stop right here. You show me facts. If all of those suicide bombings are not enough for you, then you have serious ISSUES you need to sort out.
Actually, if all you can see are the suicide bombings then YOU have serious issues. You can tell me all about the suicide bombings, but can you tell me about what happens in Palestine? Can you tell me what happened between 1911 and 1947? What about in 1967? Do you REALLY know the issues here or are you just another sucker for media propoganda?
I'm no sucker for media propaganda, but I'm not a terrorist hugger. This land belongs to Israel and Palestine and until all of the Arab world recognizes THAT, then they will have problems.
So these suicide bombings are fake?
Never suggested they were, but it's dishonest to omit all the facts.
You suggested they are fake, you implied it. If that wasn't your intent then construct your sentences more carefully next time.
You on the other hand use only emotions and insults to get your point across.
Not so, I take into consideration that you are more sensitive to insults than many people I know and post accordingly.
It's not that I'm sensitive, I'm against personal attacks because these are political issues and not all of us HAVE to share the same views.
Lol, look who's talking? Are we talking about Israel/Palestine now, or your emotions? Who's being irrelevant now?
Well, i'm not really sure, it's hard to follow your logic at times.
It's pretty logical, but I guess next time i'll make it simpler.
Hmmm let me see, maybe because I wouldn't want my children to die in a party, or on a bus on their way to school, or in a supermarket, etc...
So how would you stop that happening?
By destroying the terrorist infrastructure.
In this instance I would suggest that was accurate. ELAL has a history of hanging out in the chat channel (and here) and voicing his wildly one sided view of the issue. He has absolutely no concept of a second side to this issue, he is totally one eyed in the whole issue. Not surprising given his upbringing, but hardly conducive to good discussion now is it?
No it just goes to show how people living in Israel live in horror. Watching your countrymen, neighbors, friends being blown to pieces isn't exactly entertainment.
Isreali media has been caught time and time again in it's dishonesty, and even the US (Israels biggest Ally) acknowledges that the Israelis are dishonest in their teachings to their children.
But at least they're not taught to strap explosives to themselves and blow up innocent teenagers.
And so can I.
Yes, as long as you can live with people responding to you.
I can live with that.
I asked you for facts, not a lesson in how to turn my TV on.
Aren't the suicide bombings enough for you? What do you want? A corpse sent to your home?
I agree, but why would this happen? Because of the terrorists.
or do the terrorist happen because of the murders? Who do you blame? Who started it?
It started in 1947 when the UN chose to ignore the voice of the people of the area, against it's own policies and created a state called Israel. Why do you ignore those issues and focus only on the here and now? Surely it isn't beyond your ability to comprehend that the people who lived in the area might be just a trifle pissed at having this happen to them?
The Israeli's were kicked out of their homeland by the invading Arabs (as were the Berbers, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Persians, Kurds, etc....) so IMO it's only fair for the Jews to go back to their original land. However, that doesn't rule out peacefully co-existing with the Arabs, as long as they respect the state of Israel.
Then go and actually look, really look at how the Palestinian civilians are treated. Not Arafat, not his cronies, not the Hamas or the other terrorists .. but the people. Go and see who started this. They are both at fault, but until people can truly appreciate why the Palsetinians feel as they do, how can there be any move to peace?
They're rejected virtually every peace agreement thats been offered to them. They do not want to negociate, rather they want to maximize their gain without thinking about Israel.
By the way, go and study how Israel treats the Palestinians with regards to their access to water that flows under Palestine and you may notice that the land Israel holds isn't necessarily held for "safety" as they claim, but rather for further opression.
Go and study what Palestinian children, as well as other children are taught about Israel.
Then spend some time looking at how the Israeli government classifies and treats non jews, look at their discriminatory laws and then go watch that TV you talk about and see what the Israeli people really think of their arab/muslim neighbours. THEN come back and talk to me about the issues in that region.
Discriminatory laws? Israel is the most progessive country in the entire ME. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, etc are not exactly the most tolerant, democratic societies...are they?
Apart from a couple of anti-Israeli ferals in this forum I see a group of people who believe that both countries are at fault and there are a bunch of people who think that Palestine is totally at fault for all the woes of the world.. and they're happy to ignore all the facts in order to present their view of the world. Do you really want to be considered one of them?
I don't give a rat's behind what you think of me ADG, but I would like to make one thing clear. I think the Palestinians do deserve to be treated as human beings, but they must give up terrorism. I don't think they are at fault for all the woes of the world.
Proud to be an Assyrian!