and here comes Marco, guaranteed to pop his head up if I say anything about religion....
This is a discussion forum, you can always choose not to participate.
Come on Marco, get back into the real world. What is it suddenly ok to do to these christians? Why the reference to muslims? If you are suggesting it's ok to physically harm a chrisitian then i'd suggest you go and re-read my post. It clearly indicates it is NOT OK to physically harm another person.
No what I'm saying is that you have absolutely no stand on any issue in this world. Your judgement is always clouded by your emotions, and so if you have a grudge against a particular faith it's ok to mock it, but it's "intolerant" to mock other faiths. That's hypocrisy and the reference to Muslims was brought in to prove my point.
You are simply inserting emotive rhetoric into a discussion that it has no place in.
You're the one using emotional rhetoric, not me.
Is there a law against burning bibles? You have made 2 totally separate statements, it is not ridiculous to suggest it is his right to burn bibles, unless there is a law against it he can do it.
I believe there is a law against discrimination, racism and intolerance. I believe that free speech is there so that we can voice our opinions, not so that we can mock other people and faiths.
and you are right, if he doesn't believe in the bible he doesn't NEED to burn it. However, those are mutually exclusive issues and one doesn't justify the other.
You start of by saying i'm right then you say that they are exclusive issues, so that's a contradiction on your part ADG. If he doesn't believe in the Bible, then why did he actually buy one and burn it and hang it...what kind of low life does that?
Personally, i've never felt the desire to burn a bible and I can't see myself ever getting to that stage. But I am not him.
It doesn't matter what you feel towards the Bible. I believe in it, I believe it contains the word of God which is sacred to me. If you cannot respect that then you don't belong in a civilized society.
Now you are showing intolerance and hatred, decidedly unchristian traits there Marco.
No I'm not. The Bible contains my beliefs, my faith and I'm standing up for them. You don't need to worry since you have no beliefs.
Yes it is my opinion, and I point out that you are simply posting your opinion. My statement stands. Saying there is no place in this world for a "nut like that" isn't a mature response to his actions.
And burning the Bible is mature? I don't think it's mature of you to accept such an intolerant idiot in our civilized society.
He most likely hung the bible there to get a reaction, and he got it.
Oh he'll definately get a reaction. Just like you always say in the Israel VS Palestine threads, there's a reaction for every action
Your reaction harms your religion far more than his does.
Defending your ideas is harmful? I can remember a time when it was admirable to defend your beliefs, but I guess in today's world it's the thing to do.
Now you are posting absolute rubbish.
Is that always how you start off an argument?
If it were the Qu'ran the muslims would have been outrages, if it was the Torah the jews would have been outrages. I wouldn't have been.
You're not a Christian, I am. According to this argument I have the right to be outraged, thanks for proving my point.
I think what he did was silly and inflamatory, but I wouldn't have been outrages.
...because you're not a Christian.
You need to think a little more about your statements Marco, shame on YOU.
Shame on YOU for defending such intlerance and hatred.
Which fanatical athiests are these?
So athiests are perfect? Not one athiest has committed a crime?
I can generalise,
like you always do.
we all know that it's the fanatics who hijack and use a religion that cause the problems, not the people who live their lives as peaceful god loving people (of any religion), or those who peacefully live their lives without religion. We've had this discussion before.
And i've never disagreed with you on this point. This isn't the issue at hand, please stop jumping to different topics.
I'm not seeing common sense from you Marco.
Coming from someone who continuously contradicts herself I'll take this as a compliment. ADG you have no real stands, just emotional judgements.
You appear to hate quickly and comprehend slowly.
Nope, I defend my beliefs.
That is NOT a christian trait Marco.
Ok, what is not a Christian trait? The right to defend my own beliefs?
They should, but there is no law forcing them to. It's not THEIR Holy book, it is YOUR holy book.
That does give them the right not to believe, but that doesn't give them the right to commit such acts of intolerance and hatred towards their neighbors, friends,etc...
You don't respect the beliefs of others, how dare you demand others to respect your beliefs. You are quite hypocritical.
Have you seen me buring Korans or Torahs or any other holy books? Have you seen me making generalizations about athiests?
You have done alot of those things ADG, stop and think for a minute.
Really? How interesting. Are you assuming because a person is an athiest then they know nothing of christianity or are you simply being intolerant and saying i'm ignorant because I *choose* to be an athiest?
Don't turn this into an Athiest VS Christianity thread, i'm very aware of the tactics you use ADG. Back to the issue at hand. You cannot make assumptions on how a Christian would feel, because you're not a christian. You just said that Muslims would be outraged if he had burnt the koran, so even according to your argument it's us Christians who should be outraged, not non-Christians. Why? Becuase you don't believe in the Bible, can it get any simpler?
I'm sorry, but I think you should be very careful when making assumptions. Don't assume I know nothing about christianity because I made a choice not to believe Marco.
ADG you're free to believe in whatever you want. I'm not making assumptions about your knowledge of the Bible, stop twisting my words around and stop avoiding the issue at hand. I'm not even going to get into this argument with you ADG.
Before doing that, ask a person about their background.
Read my post more carefully next time before making assumptions ADG. I applaud your attempt to try to make me digress from the issue at hand
My question is if you don't believe in the Bible/God why would you go to such lengths to prove a point???
Which point is that?
I don't know why don't you tell me? What exactly is he trying to prove by burning the Bible?
What you really mean is that you don't agree with me therefore you think it's invalid. Go tell those who knock on my door on a sunday that I don't have a point. Knowing that i'm not a christian they now have a mission, the only way to stop them is to have them arrested for tresspassing.
Ok you still didn't adress my argument. How is that intolerance. We tell you about our religion, we don't force you to convert. How is that intolerance?
do you really need me to explain the term "obviously that doesn't apply to all Christians" Marco?
explain : but enough to make it a valid comment
which you wrote right after what you took out of context above. Explain that please. It's a generalization.
Come on now son, put a little thought into your responses or do us the courtesy of not responding at all.
I, on the other hand, believe that all opinions count, even yours so keep posting ADG.