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Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:17 am

Disturbing story out of Islamabad.

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad, while traveling through Pakistan, advocated for the Islamic world to use oil as a weapon to be "effective in shaping world opinion on certain issues".

The Prime Minister: "A lot of people say that Muslims are being oppressed and Muslim countries are unable to do anything about themselves because they are all very weak. I have pointed out that they have the production of oil. That can be very effective as a weapon. If they come together they will be able to control the supply of oil to the whole world."

Other semi-coherent statements from the Malaysian leader rejected the association between Islam and terrorism.

"In Ireland, for example, the Catholics are terrorizing the Protestants for years but nobody calls them Catholic terrorists, nor do they call the Japanese groups Buddhist terrorists, [but] for unknown reasons an act of terror [which is] committed by a Muslim... they always relate it to the religion."

As to this reason, Mohammad suggested:
"We should correct it not by (expressing) our anger against people because that will have a negative effect."

Lastly the Prime Minister offered advice that would end "Muslim oppresion":

"We should show that Muslim countries are able countries, able to develop and capable like other countries. When we do that then our countries will become fairly strong and people will not try to oppress Muslims."

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I've got a lot to say on this matter, but I want to point out one discrepancy in the Prime Minister's thoughts. He first advocates use by the Islamic nation to use oil as a "weapon" to equal the playing field, but then cautions the Islamic world from getting "angry" at its predicament as it will only further alienate the Islamic world.

So which is it? Alienate the world by restricing the flow of oil, or open your societies, borders, and economies further to fight the false impressions of the Islamic world?

Also, I admit my ignorance on the subject but who are these "Japanese terrorists" the Prime Minister slams?

Does anyone else think this guy is really jet lagged?

TNNH
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:29 am

Mahathir Mohammad is famous for his outlandish remarks, so this is nothing new. But he should not forget that it is the Chinese minority of his country that controls the vast majority of the wealth.

By Japanese terrorists he means the Japanese Red Army, which was caught with explosives in New Jersey and is responsible for terrorist attack in Naples that killed five. There is also the Aum Sect, led by Shoko Asahara. In 1995, they unleashed sarin gas in the Tokyo subway system, killing 12, but injuring 6,000. Both groups are largely extinct now.
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:40 am

Oil as a weapon, to my understanding means placing sanctions on certain countries or making the oil cost for them higer in particular. While every industrial first world country has the right to place sanctions on certain countries, I think that the sanctions placed on these (first world) countries might sound "strange" to many people like you as proud as your are, I'd also like to point out that other than the contracts that have been signed, every OPEC country (and every other as well) has the right to choose not to export oil to any country for any reason.
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:44 am

Seems like smart politics to me. When you've got an ace card, you use it!
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:27 pm

Its is an ace card, just never used (perhaps once).
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:28 pm

When you are fighting a war, u use every weapon you have with you.

Islam and Christianity(West) are engaged in preparations for another big crusade, and Oil IS one of the weapons that the Islamic countries can use.

I think it would be pretty effective too. Nothing scares these Republican-types more than not getting to drive their big-fat assed SUVs to their neighbourhood grocery stores!

-Roy
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:32 pm

Sending the price of oil skyward would certainly create a short-term shock. In the long term, though, it'll probably be the best thing to ever come along to promote more efficient energy use, as long as the price is allowed to rise and fall according to supply and demand.

As for alleviating the short-term shock, perhaps it would be possible to pick out a nation in that pack in need of a favour in some other area (and therefore a potential source of leverage), and offer it a deal in exchange for undercutting its fellow oil producers.
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:48 pm

I agree with Rai, I am anti- Mahathir....somehow... He is getting older now I think he doesnt know what he is talking about albeit he is (or used to be) very smart... Recent comments he made for political reason with no truth made all Malaysian require visa to enter Canada...
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:01 pm

When you are fighting a war, u use every weapon you have with you.

Islam and Christianity(West) are engaged in preparations for another big crusade, and Oil IS one of the weapons that the Islamic countries can use.


Now I think that's blowing everything just a bit out of proportion. I really can't imagine a West-Pan-Islamic war is brewing.

their big-fat assed SUVs to their neighbourhood grocery stores

Hey, I like SUV's. Hope to get a Jeep Wrangler within a year.
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:11 pm

WHats the use of a SUV if you dont have fuel for it?
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:17 pm

There's plenty of fuel at about $1.51/Gal
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 2:51 pm

Actually, the countries with the oil have every right to choose what they wish to do with it. Its much better to use oil to make a point than to use a bomb.

We have an overabundance of uranium here, we do NOT blindly sell it to anyone who wants it. Money is not the be all and all .. If petrol gets to expensive (and we pay $1 a LITRE) then simply buy a smaller car. Your vehicle is not really an extension of "big jim" so in this day and age it's irresponsible to be driving great big gas guzzlers anyway.

and if all else fails .. buy a bike!





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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:15 pm

What you drive is simply based on your personal preference, I like some SUV's over other cars that I can afford so more power to me. My true love is the BMW 7-series, one day she will be mine!
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:38 pm

How can people complain about SUVs! Think of how much fuel is burned whenever a 747 enters a holding pattern for Heathrow or JFK. Alot more then the SUV will use in a year  Big grin

-Clovis
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:53 pm

Clovis, a 747 is more fuel efficient than is an SUV even if it has to hold over an airport for a bit.
They use less fuel per passengermile on their designed routes than does any other form of transportation.

The idea that aircraft are the worst form of transport in terms of polution is blatantly wrong... The worst are probably electric trains in fact (unless the electricity is generated using nuclear power which in many countries it is not), not only do they use a lot of power, but only about 30% of the energy contained in the fuel for the powerstation reaches the train...
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:58 pm

Yeah, I guess you're right in that respect, but they still use massive amounts of fuel. Interesting about the electric trains, I never knew that before.

-Clovis
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:39 pm

nevermind about the effects on our global economy...

just that ADG can recomdend the world rides a bike instead!

silly people you are
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:52 pm

Seems the krux of Muslim oppression is other muslims and extreme-religion, not oil and SUVs.
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:09 pm

What's funny is that if it weren't for the USA a lot of Muslim countries wouldn't exist today (Pakistan was helped in its earlier wars against India or else it would have been swallowed by India, the CIS countries, etc). So who really is the enemy? The people trying to help them get rid of terrorism, or the terrorists?

By the way the PM's comments about Catholic/Protestant/Buddhist terrorism was so stupid that there's no need to comment on them.
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:04 am

"Oil as a weapon". That's funny.

Cut off Western oil revenue and watch your own economies and societies collapse.

Face it. You think we're imperialist infidels, we think you're barbarian thugs. But the oil economy is the vital evil for both of us.
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 2:07 am

Well he need not look too far.... he's using water as a weapon with my country.....
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 2:46 am

We're Nuts: Seems like smart politics to me. When you've got an ace card, you use it!

Actually very poor politics and business. In the 1970's, everyone thought OPEC had the world over a barrel. But this unwise practice (the oil embargo's) actually led to the record low oil prices during the 1980's oil glut and historic low price for a bbl of oil today (inflation taken into account).



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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:00 am

I'm sure Russia would love it. They would be more than happy to take over supplying the United States with oil. It's believed they have more oil then the Middle East, just not the money to tap it.
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:09 am

"I think it would be pretty effective too. Nothing scares these Republican-types more than not getting to drive their big-fat assed SUVs to their neighbourhood grocery stores!"

Rather be driving the Yukon than a Opel Corsa...

Nice generalization....  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:50 am

I remember an interview of the oil-minister in Saudi-Arabia during the 1970ies,
he was a very clever guy. When Libya and other countries wanted to push up the oil prize even futher, he just told them,-If oil become too expensive, then
people in the West will find other sources of energy.
That´s the story, when oil/LNG become too expensive, then people are prepared to open their wallets and spend money to save fuel. Otherwise not.....
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RE: Malaysian PM: Islam Should Use Oil As Weapon

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:59 am

You're right - if oil goes to $100 per barrel levels, you will see the US (and maybe some other countries) launch a project on the same level as the Manhatten or Apollo projects, to develop practical fusion reactors, which is the only long term energy solution. I am convinced that it will happen one day, anyway. Maybe in 50 years, the UN will be informed that 10 years later, there will be no more oil, and people will start investing in fusion.

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