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Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 4:54 pm



John A. Muhammad is the subject of a nationwide dragnet right now and is considered "armed and dangerous". Muhammad is wanted on a violation of federal firearms laws, and has "information material to" the manhunt, the police emphasized.

JOHN MUHAMMAD (formerly John Williams)

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 5:37 pm

FeralFox are now saying that either he or his stepson are most likely the sniper. Apparently the credit card number he wanted the money transferred to belonged to a woman killed in a recent liquour robbery which the police have linked that back to this man and his stepson.

I think they've picked him up now.

Hopefully this will be an end to the murders in Washington!






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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 6:09 pm

IT is 1:04 am here in Alaska which would make it 5 am in Washington.

They have just been arrested at a rest stop in Meyersville Maryland.

This may be interesting.

This is per NBC news, Still waiting for offical identification, I just finished watching Rooster Cogburn and they had a special news alert on.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 6:17 pm

He wanted $10 million transfered to a stolen credit card? He thought he would then be able to use it?

Come on, surely he can't be that stupid?

Never the less, let's hope they are both the snipers and an end is put to tragedy.
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:48 pm

This was surprising. I'd never thought i'd see an african american being behind sensleless acts like these. This cateogry usually belongs to the (stupid) white male. And before you flame my a** for being racist i might tell you that i'm white myself.  Smokin cool
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 9:55 pm

Let's be honest. We all thought it might have been a middle aged white male. I too must say that i'm surpised. I still think something fishy is going on.
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 10:07 pm

He wanted $10 million transfered to a stolen credit card? He thought he would then be able to use it?
Come on, surely he can't be that stupid?


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Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:41 pm

Mika, I doubt you'd be labelled racist for assuming the suspect is white, but I think you may take some heat for assuming black men aren't capable of doing such a thing, while others are. Remember, we're all created equal.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:49 pm

This was surprising. I'd never thought i'd see an african american being behind sensleless acts like these. This cateogry usually belongs to the (stupid) white male

Actually, you raise an interesting point. As ridiculous as this may sound, you may have paid a back handed tongue-in-cheek compliment to the Black criminals of the world.

Most criminals, for all of their stupidity, are usually of "minority" groups. How many web sites and articles do you see about "Americas Dumbest Criminals"?

It takes intelligence and smarts to be a mass murderer or a sniper to elude capture for this long. There is no denying that. This guy (guys?) know what they are doing. So it's no surprise when those criminals usually turn out to be white. You know that whole stigma about "whites being smarter" (not that I am for one second suggesting they are, but the stats for dumb criminals versus smart ones and their race speak volumes)

So if it turns out that the "sniper" is, in fact, black, well....I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying...

Of course, they aren't infallible. Sooner or later, they develop a predictable pattern, get cocky and start making mistakes.

So it's only a matter of time before the pinch comes down.

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:50 pm

The mean I.Q. score of prison inmates in the United States is 85, a full standard deviation below the average.

Well obviously. They were caught.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:28 am

Actually, you raise an interesting point. As ridiculous as this may sound, you may have paid a back handed tongue-in-cheek compliment to the Black criminals of the world.

Most criminals, for all of their stupidity, are usually of "minority" groups. How many web sites and articles do you see about "Americas Dumbest Criminals"?

It takes intelligence and smarts to be a mass murderer or a sniper to elude capture for this long. There is no denying that. This guy (guys?) know what they are doing. So it's no surprise when those criminals usually turn out to be white. You know that whole stigma about "whites being smarter" (not that I am for one second suggesting they are, but the stats for dumb criminals versus smart ones and their race speak volumes)

So if it turns out that the "sniper" is, in fact, black, well....I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying...

Of course, they aren't infallible. Sooner or later, they develop a predictable pattern, get cocky and start making mistakes.

So it's only a matter of time before the pinch comes down.

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HAHA What bull. If killers were so smart they would not be killing in the first place would they.
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Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:39 am

Not necessarily. Ones ethics/morals and intelligence do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Just look at those crooks at Enron et.al.

You think they gave any thought to the millions of people they screwed over?

But most CEO's, and high ranking management are, on a hunch, reasonably intelligent.

I know that murder is not on the same plane as grand theft per se. But it illustrates my point that one can be emotionally, morally, ethically, and spiritually bankrupt and still be very intelligent.

Therefore, I feel the original statement is valid.


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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:43 am

HAHA What bull. If killers were so smart they would not be killing in the first place would they.

LOL, or BUSTED! They could still be out there, but the had to get stupid & leave behind a bnunch of clues... The moronss. Good for us though, I say!
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:44 am

Well, I personally feel that if criminals are so smart, they would not be committing crimes in the first place.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:15 am

I had a fealing the sniper might have been a Mohammadist.

Looks like I could not have been closer to the truth!

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:32 am

MSNBC reported that Mohamud and 17 year old Lee Malvo were in a stolen 1990 blue chevy caprice at a rest stop sleeping when the SWAT team woke them up. A good sumaritan reported the stolen car and called the police. Now the FBI and police officers are positive that these are the guys of the sniper shooting. Also they found a gun in the car with the same bullets that shot and killed 10 people and injured 3.

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:40 am

CNN has an unnamed source that is saying that a .223 rifle was found in the trunk, Apparently it is a Bushmaster with is a less expensive knockoff of the Colt AR-15,

They are also reporting that the car had a fireing hold drilled into the trunk.
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How Hypercritical

Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:55 am

I had a feeling the sniper might have been a Mohammadist.

Looks like I could not have been closer to the truth!

TNNH



Typical TNNH bullshit. And he tell me that Im full of hate. How hypercritical!!



WN, they left behind a trail of evidence that would sooner or later bite them in their ass. To top that off, they stole a car. I mean if these guys are the snipers, stealing a car is not the smartest thing to do.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:59 am

TNNH,

"I had a fealing the sniper might have been a Mohammadist."

Are you sure he is a muslim. He might be a Farakhanist which shouldn't be confused with Islam http://www.belief.net/index/index_10039.html and http://www.belief.net/features/noichart.html
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 3:00 am

QatarAirways, are you saying that Louie doesn't claim to be a muslim leader???

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Fri Oct 25, 2002 3:10 am

L188, you think that Farakhan is a leader of Islam?

If so, you have lots to learn. Just look hi name up in a search engine and you will learn that he is nothing more then a thug. According to his views and actions, he cannot be a religious man.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Snip

Fri Oct 25, 2002 3:18 am

Screwy-Louie is a self-proclaimed leader of Islam, but to most of us, he's pure entertainment.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 4:08 am

What goes? Are these positively the sniper(s)?

And regarding intelligence vs ethics and moral. I don't believe that they go hand in hand. A person doesn't commit a crime like this because he's generally dumb but because of way more complicated reasons.


And how sad isn't that? Dragging your 17 year old stepson (or whatever it was) into shit like this. This developing story shall be interesting.
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 4:40 am

Well, I personally feel that if criminals are so smart, they would not be committing crimes in the first place.

Just think of all the criminals (and there are tons of 'em) that weren't caught, those are the smart ones. While it might not be "smart" to commit criminal acts, it certainly does take "smarts" to pull-it off and get away with it. Some of the worst criminals are very very smart while at the same time being very stupid.

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 5:43 am

Typical TNNH bullshit. And he tell me that Im full of hate. How hypercritical!!

LMAO! What's hypercritical? Must be a new word in the English language that I dont know  Innocent

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:10 am

I hope this dude gets death. By sniping (new category invented by Clovis).
Put him in a 1 square mile box of forest, and place 1 highly trained military Sniper in there. Let this guy run around in there in his underwear. We'll see who has the last laugh...

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:28 am

"moronss"? I sure hope you did that on purpose.

Anyways, violent crimes are on the most part not a matter of intelligence but rather sanity (or lack thereof).

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:35 am

Is anyone else wondering what on earth a white cargo Chevy Astro with a roof rack has in common with a dark blue 1990 Chevy Caprice (except both being made by GM of course)?

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:46 am

Last time I checked the group that screwy Louie lead is called the "Nation of Islam"

However I do want to say that it is nice to see mainstream muslums disavowing a fringe group that claims an islamic background, Now if as a population, that would happen to some of the other fringe islamic groups, particularly the violent ones, then the world would be a safer place.

I wonder if this condemnation of, Nation of Islam would happen if it wasn't a US based group.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:05 am

LMAO! What's hypercritical? Must be a new word in the English language that I dont know

Chill out David B.


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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:14 am

"HAHA What bull. If killers were so smart they would not be killing in the first place would they."

Sorry Davy, that figure is incorrect! If people were so smart they wouldn't kill, if killers were so smart they'd never get caught!

However, nearly nobody is perfect.
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:55 am

How's the saying go?

"Crime never pays"

Well if crime never pays, why are there criminals?
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:08 am

I'm not an expert on the relatinship between Louis Farrakhan's group and Islam, but because of its name "Nation of Islam" and its worship of Allah, I assumed they were fairly similar.

QatarAirways...

Am I wrong? Please enlighten.

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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:36 am

As much as you want to disown the Nation of Islam - if it complies with the 5 Pillars of Islam - which it does, then its a Muslim group:

1) Believe in shehada: that Allah is one god "Delcaration of Faith"

2) Pray 5 times a day

3) Make tzedacah by giving to poor

4) Travel to Mecca once in a lifetime

5) Zakat: Belief all things belong to god.
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Fri Oct 25, 2002 5:42 pm

TNNH,

First of all 5 pillars you have are not accurate.

Second of all, the Nation of Islam believes that Allah appeared in the person of Fard Mohammed (a travelling salesman from Detroit lived between 1877-1934 originally Wallace D Fard), which is considered blasphemous in Islam since a human claims he is Allah and Islam believes that Allah has no partner or accomplace. Second of all Islam believes that Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is the last of the profits while Elijah Mohammed (1897-1975) claims he is a prophet. The Nation of Islam believes that the Qu'ran was actually directed at Elijah Poole (Elijah Mohammed) a migrant worker and not the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) of Arabia.

The Nation of Islam believes that Blacks are a superior race and are a chosen people. They also believe that the white person was actually a creation of a renegade black scientist. These points contradict another muslim belief that all humans came from Adam and Howah (Eve) and that no race is superior to the other.

I am not going to say they are not muslims because I am not allowed to do that but just do a little research to see the differences.
 
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RE: Authorities Look For John Muhammad: Knows Sniper

Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:45 pm

QatarAirways:

Thanks. Your right, giving to the poor is not 1 of the 5 Pillars of Islam. Instead that should be Salat: The belief that all of the world belongs to Allah. Thanks.

Good findings on NOI. I'll agree with you their beliefs are not consistant with those Allah delivered to Muhammad in the Arabian dessert.

TNNH

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