artsyman
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Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:44 am

I have never considered myself a conspiracist, but over the last few weeks, there have been rather 'convenient' things happening for the Bush Republican Government.

France refuses to back US resolution on IRAQ, then all of a sudden there is an attack by Muslim fanatics against a French Oil tanker, then Russia refuses to back the US resolution, and now we have 700 people surrounded by Muslim fanatics. Prior to that we had no-one believing that Saddam had any WMD and the next day a taxi (of all things...) is found to have 34 pounds of Weapons grade uranium just off the border of IRAQ. Then the senate is refusing most of Bush's demands, and now we have the owener of one of the most contested seats in the senate dying in a plane crash. His seat is enough to swap control of the senate back into Republican hands.

Seems odd to me...

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:49 am

Instead of making stupid conspiricy theories, why don't you open your eyes and realize that terrorists, mainly islamic, have declared war on the civilized world.

Charles
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:50 am

Kennedy and Lincoln were elected exactly 100 years apart.

Kennedy and Lincoln were both succeeded by Southern Democrats named "Johnson.

Kennedy was shot in a Lincoln, made by Ford. Lincoln was killed in Ford's theater.

Kennedy and Lincoln were both involved with Blacks Civil Rights.

Both President Bush's were related. They both had the same last name.

Both Monday and Friday end in "Y".

If you type in the letters "U-S-A-T-X-R-K", in Word 95, and change the font to "Tahoma", and change it to size 16, and then look at it sideways during an even numbered day of the week when there's a full moon..........
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:51 am

Lest we forget, Dubya's daddy WAS head of the CIA. I'll probably be flamed for this but in my heart I think the Bush's are capable of virtually anything in their quest for power. I wouldn't be surprised if on my flight back thru IAH on election day there is a mysterious delay preventing this hardcore Democrat from getting back in time to vote. As it is I arrive back in STL one hour before the polls close.
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Cfalk

Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:52 am

I am normally the one balking at these posts !!!, I just thought it was a little odd. I totally agree with you on all point, and if you read back through all my posts prior to today, you will see we agree on more or less everything

 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:02 am

Dubya's daddy WAS head of the CIA.

A political appointee at the head of a huge bureaucracy. What is your point?

I think the Bush's are capable of virtually anything in their quest for power.

Do you have any evidence for such a charge? I can't think of any. (But there was quite a bit against Clinton)

Charles
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:05 am

....not to mention the fact that if the GOP were engaged in a quest for power like this, why not sacrifice some high profile Senator that causes them a "lot of grief" like Hillary Clinton (who could be a Presidential contender in 2004 or 2008) or Dianne Feinstein?

I mean if you're going to resort to clandestine assasinations, why not do it "right"?

I think that these ideas are pretty far fetched and have no basis in reality.

Just another example of political mud slinging digging for an all time low.


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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:30 am

Florida Governor Jeb Bush was recently quoted as saying he had (his words) "devious methods" to sink an education funding proposal he disagreed with.

I think he splendidly summed up in two words his own political careeer, that of his brothers and his whole rotten family.
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:37 am

The plane did crash in bad weather in a Minnesota winter (Yes, folks, its winter in MN now !) and thats just fate.

I'm no fan of the smarmy Bush clan, but I seriously doubt if they're responsible for bad weather in MN.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:53 am

I can't believe how blinded some people are by their hate. It is one thing to dislike Bush and Republicans because you disagree with their politics but to suggest they murder their opponents and comment acts of terrorism is just plane bullsh*t. If Gore was President, you people wouldn't be saying a thing.

On second thought, I can believe some people here would stoop that low.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:25 am

"I can't believe how blinded some people are by their hate. It is one thing to dislike Bush and Republicans because you disagree with their politics but to suggest they murder their opponents and comment acts of terrorism is just plane bullsh*t."

Speak for yourself B757300, you judge too quickly. So far I have not see anybody ‘saying’ that either Bush or the Republicans are directly responsible for what happened, just a lot of implications by people noticing coincidences. An implication concludes nearly nothing cuz they are not really saying it. This while you say people are blinded by hate?

A stretch. Yes?


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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:51 am

B757300, youre a mere pup so I doubt very much you were paying much attention, but in the years 1992 through 1999 internet websites, talk radio, conservative magazines and press releases were FILLED with right-wing hatched conspiracies about the death (murder!) of Vince Foster, the mysterious Clinton-run drug airstrip(s) in the Ozark backwaters, Hillary's lesbianism, Whitewater-related murders, dead state troopers, blah blah blah.

Now I didnt mention a THING about this air crash being caused by anything known or unknown at this point, and I won't yet. Still, it's amazing you get indignant at the idea that someone scream conspiracy after a full decade of people like you inventing them, all for the greater good of the 'conservative' cause.
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:04 am

Artsyman:
This is a real eye opener. These are very scary coincidences. I certainly don't hate the Republican Party, I do hold the Bush family in the lowest of regurds. I don't trust any of them. The whole world has seen what extent they will go through to hang on to power.

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:16 am

I certainly don't hate the Republican Party

Laugh of the day right there  Laugh out loud. But seriously, there is always going to be people who think there is a conspiracy for everything. I got a B in math instead of an A, must be a conspiracy against me by the teacher  Wink/being sarcastic.

B757300, don't be too shocked, especially coming from this forum. I still find it very hard to believe that some people say the whole moon landing was a conspiracy. This is whole conspiracy thing is nothing new.

As far as this unfortunate plane crash being a conspiracy, all I have to say is LOL. What's next, your gonna tell me 9/11 was a conspiracy by Bush to raise his approval rating? Get real
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:36 am

I think it is time to let this thread die. You all took it a little too seriously for my liking. I was in no way suggesting it was real, just that there was a lot of favourable coincidences.. and now people are fighting over it. Not worth it at all

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:09 am

Hey Ozark,you might not be lying. Take a look at what happened to a bunch of anti-war protestors

More Anti-War Activists Snagged by "No Fly" List

The No Fly list is still up and running. The FBI and the Transportation Security Administration have a list of suspicious people they distribute to the airlines, and the airlines check the names of their passengers against this list. The existence of the list was first reported here on this web site and then in the June issue of The Progressive, after a group of peace activists were detained in Milwaukee on April 19.


On August 7, two more peace activists found themselves on the list. Rebecca Gordon and Jan Adams were detained by San Francisco police at the airport there, reported Alan Gathright of The San Francisco Chronicle on September 27.


Gordon and Adams, veteran peace and justice activists in the Bay Area, work on a newspaper called War Times (war-times.org).


"We get to the airport at 9:30 in the evening for an 11:30 flight to Boston on ATA," Gordon tells The Progressive. "As we go to the check-in counter to check in our baggage, the woman takes our IDs and types in our names, and then says, 'There's something wrong with my computer.' So she goes and gets another woman, who types our names into her computer. She, too, says, 'There's something wrong with my computer. Please step aside so we can check the other people in.' "


Gordon says she and Adams thought there might be a problem with their e-tickets. But it was more serious than that, as they found out a few minutes later when one of the airline employees told them, "You both turned up on the FBI No Fly list, and we've called the San Francisco police. They are coming over to talk to you. In the meantime, one of us has to stay with you, so please come along with your baggage," Gordon recalls.


Gordon says the woman from the airlines seemed bewildered. "We were standing there in the middle of the airport, and I'm sure she's thinking these are just garden-variety middle-aged white dykes," Gordon says.


"I can't imagine why this is happening," the airline employee said, according to Gordon.


"And I said, 'Well, I can tell you why. We work on a paper that opposes the war on terrorism.' Her eyes got kind of big, and she said, 'Oh.' "


Gordon says three uniformed members of the police then came, took their IDs, and called headquarters. They wouldn't let her even get a drink of water.


"After ten or fifteen more minutes, one of the officers told us, 'You aren't on the master list,' and they handed us back to the airline, Gordon says.


But the airline was still suspicious, and circled a big S on their boarding passes. "I assume it means search, and then a red S was put on it," Gordon adds. "In fact, at the gate we were selected for search and they did the usual search procedure, the wanding and the shoes.


Before I got on, I asked the ticket agent if this is going to happen every time. She said, 'I don't know, but I'd recommend that you get to the airport early.' "


For its part, the San Francisco police has little comment.


"We had no report of any of our officers stopping them," says Larry Ratti, a spokesperson for the police at the airport.


"Whenever anyone comes up on the No Fly list, we come out in one or two minutes and the situation is cleared up. Generally, they would make a police report if they detained people for any length of time."


Ratti says the department gets calls about suspicious people at the airport "maybe one a day, one every two days." Some of these calls come from the No Fly list, "but we don't differentiate," he says. "It's just a suspicious-type-person call."


I ask Gordon what conclusion she draws from this experience.


"This is harassment," she says. "It's to let us know that they've got their eye on us."


Adams agrees. "Nothing felt very threatening in the episode--except that they are doing it," she says. Adams adds that she was singled out for searching on her return trip from Boston, as well.
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:15 am

Australia says they wont support an American attack on Iraq and a nightclub in Bali full of Australian tourists are bombed whilst the one full of American tourists down the road is ignored.

I'm not saying I agree, but they are interesting co-incidents aren't they? Certainly the original poster is NOT the only one who is vocalising these suspicions and it's not like American hasn't covertly interfered with the internal politics of other countries in the past.

I suspect it's up to an individual to decide, but there is no harm in thinking on it and discussing the possibilities without the abuse.




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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:24 am

Somebody's got waaaaaayyyy to much time on thier hands.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:25 pm

Wow, some of you folks take politics way too seriously. Somebody yells conspiracy, and some of you are near to yelling terrorist.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:56 pm

I noticed that also.

Whilst they are hard to believe, the co-incidences are intersting and are worth discussing.



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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:04 am

Coincidences always amuse me, but that's because they are....coindicences. I wish some of you folks would make up your minds; does Bush have the IQ of a radish or is he a mastermind that is blowing up his own citizens for approval ratings  Insane

And actually, AGD, I think there IS some little harm to say thing this ridiculous. You risk losing credibility and not getting taken seriously in the future when you may some day actually have a valid point. It doesn't really matter here, but I doubt you'd see another politician saying garbage like this unless they wanted to retire.

The 'No fly' list thing, however, does sound more like politics than coincidence. But that doesn't suprise me. Its the same as when someone in Clinton's clan decided to sic the IRS on his finger-pointers. I suspect that stuff happens all the time to everyone and by everyone. Its really not a good thing.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:23 am

does Bush have the IQ of a radish or is he a mastermind that is blowing up his own citizens for approval ratings

That had me on the floor. LMAO.  Laugh out loud

If I really bothered to think about this stuff I could find a million and one coincidences like this. Why did the sperm that created Osama Bin Laden get to the egg? Doggonit...must have been the C.I.A.

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 3:29 am

I'm almost sure that French aren't supporting the US, because they (and maybe China and Russia too) have sold weapons to IRAQ and are scared to get busted if the US invades.
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 4:17 am

Australia says they wont support an American attack on Iraq and a nightclub in Bali full of Australian tourists are bombed whilst the one full of American tourists down the road is ignored.

Yup, that's all the proof I need - it's obviously a US conspiracy!


does Bush have the IQ of a radish or is he a mastermind that is blowing up his own citizens for approval ratings
That had me on the floor. LMAO.


That cracked me up, too. Reminds me of the Apollo conspiracy -- the US can't send a man to the moon, but can pull off an extremely complex hoax that only a handful of French "scientists" could unravel!

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 4:37 am

Don't forget that September11 was apparently all an Israeli-Bush plot.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:05 am

If a Republican senator had been killed, the fringe right wing press (Rush limberger, Lucianne Goldberg, various assorted right wing nuts) would have gone down the same pathetic path as they did with the death of Vince Foster. As far as cheezy, nasty, basically rotten, vituperative, nauseating behaviour on discrediting your opposition is concerned, the Republicans and their flag bearers wrote the book. At least on this forum, the original poster just stated that there were "coincidences" - which a reader could interpret at his/her will. However, if this were lucianne Goldberg's blog site, she would have stated outright without a shred of evidence that "THEY did it." So give it a rest when you accuse Dems for a slip of the tongue. I'm sick of this pathetic and ugly right wing hypocrisy.

And by reading this forum, its pretty apparent that none of the Dems are buying into the conspiracy theory. I think we are all aware of the risks of flying a 23 year old little plane through bad weather into an airport that lacked adequate ATC facilities.
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:21 am

This thread really needs to stop. When I started it, it was bordering on being a joke, but just a kind of note of coincidences. I at no point believed it to be true, and in truth tried to delete it as fast as I posted it, but for some reason the moderators will not delete it. You guys kind of took the ball and ran with it...while I was just sort of sitting there going 'what the #$#$'

Can we please just delete this, I am not a conspiracist, I even put this in the original email, now people are getting annoyed and talking like it was serious.

waaa

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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:45 am

with respect to the moon landing, i recently saw a programme on the topic. as far as i understand, nixon hired stanley kubrick to film a moon landing in a studio just in case the landing could not be filmed. in this programme, rumsfeld (who was a consultant to nixon on the matter) and kissinger commented on the thing. they did not deny it but were talking about details.

how astonishing. btw., many of those who worked in kubricks team did not die from a natural cause.

however, conspiracy theories are fun. r.
 
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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 11:04 am

JetService,

You only lose credibility if you take the stand that they are more than co-incidences and that the Government IS responsible. To discuss the co-incidences is nothing more than an interesting conversation.

As mentioned above, the senator that died could have been killed or he could simply have died because of a natural cause (ie, ice). Either way, the discussion may be interesting.

These discussions can be fun if you allow them to be, the fact that they are discussed doesn't mean that anyone legitimately believes them.

I also heard the moon landing was fake and that the CIA took Harold Holt...  Smile and I really liked hearing that Buzz Aldrin punched some bloke who said the moon landing was fake  Smile.




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RE: Bush Govt Coincidences!

Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:34 pm

"You only lose credibility if you take the stand that they are more than co-incidences...."

Yes, this is what I mean.

(and sorry for screwing up your name last time)
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