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Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:02 am

This is hard to believe but Chrysler just may go through with this.

The Chrysler 300N

Finally a V8 powered rear-drive from Chrysler for the first time since they discontinued the M-body (Grand Fury / Diplomat & Fifth Avenue) in 1989.
Their last 'full-sized' sedan was the 1982 R- body (St. Regis / Newport / New Yorker & Imperial) in 1982.









All-aluminum 353 cubic inch (5.7-liter) pushrod V-8 engine features hemispherical combustion chambers and two spark plugs per cylinder. Its estimated power of 353 horsepower and 353 lb.-ft. of torque is delivered to the rear wheels via a robust four-speed automatic transmission.




In English:
http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/concept/300hemic.htm

In German:
http://archiv.tagesspiegel.de/archiv/26.10.2002/275636.asp


In Russian:
http://eds.cia.mksat.net/news/article/9/

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No more K-car variants and silly cab-forward designs from this company so I hope .
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:17 am

It looks good, but my current and past experiences with American car companies have been aweful with me and my family.
My 2 past foregin cars (2000 Toyota Camry V6 and 2001 VW Passat, Toyota owned for 6 months, Passat 4 months) and I ahve driven them very hard. Already in my passat I have clocked 14k miles in 4 months. What went wrong with it? Nothing. I change oil and get tires rotated. In the Toyota I drove 6 months and clocked 25k miles on it and did the same thing. However our 2001 GMC SUV has 50k miles on the clock, has been babied except for some light off roading, is falling appart. Our other 2001 GMC SUV was complete crap and fell appart every 5k miles. Before that our 1996 GMC Jimmy was very unreliable. (I know this isn't about engines, but the Vortec engine isn't powerful enough to tow around the Jimmy at 192 hp. It feels very winded at highway speeds, but thats for another post).
My dad has to buy American because he landed a big deal with the local unions (steemfitters and one other one). He's looking at the Jeep, which Chrysler owns...I sure hope it doesn't crap out.


About that car, the 4 door looks mighty sharp, looks being the key term.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:21 am

Is DCX trying to capitalize on the discontinuation of the Camaro/Firebird line by GM?  Laugh out loud

Could this be the mystery product to be manufactured at the soon-to-be-built Windsor assembly super-plant (union extorted an obligation for one by 2005 in the most recent round of "negotiations")?

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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:37 am

Looks good, especially on the 3rd picture. Back looks a little bit like the SL, but just a little bit, and they are sisters-in-law anyway  Big grin
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:41 am

All of the current LH cars will be replaced by a new rear-drive or all-wheel drive LX platform. Which will include a hot-rodded Hemi-head V8 with a lot of Mercedes underpinnings. Basically the trannys and telematics will all be sourced from Munich. From what I hear the new cars will be using the Mercedes 5-speed autoshifter, not the current Chrysler 4-speed... which isn't much of a loss.

Chrysler really was doing well on the styling side of the equation since the mid 90s with the original Neon, LH cars and cloud cars (Cirrus, Stratus and Breeze) but lacked on the engineering side. Some stuff was just plain bad, like poor head sealing on the 2.0 four, to ok. Though the current generation of Chrysler engines appear to be much better.

I think the Big-3 are all realizing that they really lost something when they dropped their rear-drive platforms. There is a lot of flexibility to do stuff when the engine points north-to-south. There were supposed to be AWD and RWD vehicles on the original LH platform.

The next five years should be interesting for DCX as they rationalize their line-up and combine platforms. Basically 4 cylinders will be handled by Mitsubishi Motors, 6 cylinders by Chrysler... and small and mid-sized cars will share a common platform developed by Mitsubishi.

Hopefully the new LX platform cars will get the public excited again.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:31 am

Finally Chrysler cars that are interesting! (the last interesting Chrysler cars were my 1987 New Yorker --props to you Superfly!)

However, I wouldn't comment about styling, Desertjets, since the 90's were that absolute nadir. The ugly blobs like the Neon, Cirus, Breeze etc. were all boring and had no character. (Ford is the only one to do the "blob" thing with class)

I am glad that Chrysler is getting back to actually "engineering" cars as their past was legendary-the durable and tough 3.7 Slant6, the 426 Hemi, various other cars like the Turbine, Firedome etc.

I am also glad to see a return to RWD, hence BMW, Mercedes, Lexus etc all saw fit to maximize the potential of it as opposed to dropping it.
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:11 am

747-451... gonna have to diagree with you. Especially with the 1987 Chrylser New Yorker... probably a low point in design there. Did your's talk? Of that era I think that the Lancer/ LeBaron GTS was the better car.

I will stand by my belief, and a belief held by most in the automotive press, that the mid-90s designs were (maybe groundbreaking is a little too strong) but far better than what most were selling. If you want to talk about lifeless blobs look at a mid-90s Ford Contour... or any mid-90s Ford. The Neon was undeniably cute, and a far better car than the Shadow/Sundance ever was. The LH cars, in my opinion, were probably the best looking big cars of their time. They really proved what could be done with "cab forward" architecture. They still look fresh now almost 10 years later. The cloud cars were certainly more than blobs... and profoundly better looking than the Acclaim and Spirit. My friends called my 1990 Acclaim, my old-lady car.

But, I may be wrong here... but doesn't that sketch of the 300N look a lot like the original ESX concept car???
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:55 am

Good for Chrysler.

Glad to see they're challenging Ford in this market and possibly giving police departments more choices in choosing a V8 RWD police cruisers.

Superfly-

Are you sure those power numbers are making it to the rear wheels, or is that power at the engine?
 
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Desertjets/ Superfly

Tue Oct 29, 2002 9:46 am

Desertjet;

My 1987 New Yorker, looks like a "luxury car" and it even though it's roots may show, it still distinguished itself as far as Chrysler and other makes; it looks like an American Boulevard Cruiser with it's wire wheels, "Landau top" and "waterfall grille". It talks, and it runs very well (at 90,000miles). The Infinity Audio is fantastic. It also helps the Turbo is lightning fast (I've knoced off my share of BMWs etc) and it does have uprated suspension ( shorn with Dunlop tires). The "french provincial" interior is just the oposite of the Teutonic taxicabs that pass for luxury today. I liked the LebaronGTS and Lancer but "hacthbacks" (those are for dogs, children, wives etc) on sport or luxury cars are out of place (unless it is a Frebird or Camaro). Actually they were amongst the better mid sizes of the era and were very well thoguht out sport sedans.

Quite frankly, I prefred the Accalim/Spirit because of their simple styling, roomy trunks, interirors with big doorways and high rooflines. I'll take practicality over stylish fecklessness any day! (However, the later NY'ers and LHS's are very beautiful with their traditional rooflines and grilles)

I really don't care for the "cab forward" look, since all it made for was a huge windsheld and dashboard and very narrow front foot wells (I'm 6'1" and there is more front room in my 87 NYer that my girlfriend's 94 Vision). Actually, you can't beat the room of a Crown Vic. (PS as far as blobs, I own a 1994 Tempo as well and I think it is a blob, however it is certainly roomier and more practical than the horrible Neon and even the Breeze etc. )

As far as reliability, nothing could beat a 2.2 Trans4, the 3 speed auto and the simple K chassis (and it's incarnations). Even though horribly dated by today's standards, they were certainly more reliable than such things as the wretched "ultradrive" and some of the later 4 cyl powerplants.

I honestly think that Chrysler lost it's vitality when Lee reiterd and I don't really care for the "Daimler" connection either. (It should have been Chrysler/Daimler). The Prowler, Viper and other specialty cars are nice but do not sustain a company. The PT Cruiser is the only thing they have gotten right in quite a while and the 300M is quite aluring for a gussied up Intrepid ES. However, nothing Chrysler makes right now would make me want to replace my NYer with another Chrysler, including this 300N, since I doubt there will be a 4 door and the price will be prohibitive (for the convertible) I presume let alone if Chrylser builds it. The car Chrysler should have built was the updated Charger R/t sedan from 3 years ago. That was awinner and they decided not to do it either.

Superfly,

The last HUGE RWD Barges Chrysler made were the St. Regis, Gran Fury,
Newport, New Yorker R Bodies which were infact discontinued in 1981, not 1982 . The Imperial which was recreated in 1981 sat on the Mirada chassis and held on til 1983 (in Frank Sinatra Edition only). As you said, the last RWDs were the Fifth Avenue/Diplomat/Gran Fury which hang on til 1989 (with the silky smooth 318).

Chris

 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 9:47 am

I have to agree with 747-451.

I think the 'design' of Chryslers in the 1980 and early 1990s was a great time.
Pay close attention to the details in styling and ornamentation.
Back then you had elegant 'button-down pillow' leather seats, hood ornaments, cursive written emblem/decals, individual map reading lights styled like the overhead lamps on a Boeing 747-451 aircraft.  Big grin Wood grain dashboards as well as wood grain and chrome on the door panels for front and rear passengers.

I think the cab forward 'spaceship' look is very cheap. It looks OK on the Neon because that's a cheap car. The Intrepid and Concords are the disappointments in term of style.
I find the 1991-1994 LaBaron sedan, New Yorker Landau and Imperials to be much more luxurious, comfortable and better looking than the plastic spaceships that's replaced them.









That steering wheel is NOT original. I hate it when people do this.  Sad




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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:00 am

747-451:
"hacthbacks" (those are for dogs, children, wives etc)

That was hillarious! Big grin  Laugh out loud  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thanks for the correction on the production dates of the last R- bodies.  Smile

I sat in a 1991 LaBaron Landau with only 19,000 miles on it. It was a beautiful, had an excellent Infinity sound system, over-head consul and lots of power.  Smokin cool
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:02 am

That thing is fugly! Looks just like that new caddie. Blichh.
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SupaFly

Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:05 am

And to add to Superfly's comments, Chrysler cars of the 80's and early 90's were the most technologically advanced domestically, aside from the ornamentation and styling. Chrysler was the first to produce front drive in the US, use Turbochargers, intercooling, beat GM as far as sport sedans (the Shelby lancer will peel the skin off a 6000STE), were the first to use digital displays, computers and voices on the largest array of models (as opposed to just keeping them on exlusive lines like Cadillac or Linclon which had them before Chrysler). Chrysler's second golden age was in the early eighties to the early 90's and they did a grat job of amalgamating technology, practicality, innovation and luxury..... Smile
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:45 am

74-451:
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the 1966 Oldsmoblie Toronado the first front wheel drive car?


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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:01 pm

Superfly... is that real corinthian leather in there???  Wink/being sarcastic

I guess different strokes for different folks.

My dad had a 1987 Turbo New Yorker as a demo for a few months when he worked at a Chrysler-Plymouth-Volvo dealer. The car was used. But it was beige, with landau top, wire wheels, digital dash, and button-tufted seats. I am glad that is no longer the standard of what luxury is. I don't need to have a living room sofa in my car.

The Acclaim was an ok car. It actually sold a lot better, along with the Spirit and LeBaron sedan, than the cloud cars. And in the uplevel trims, LE,LX, ES they were actually quite nice. Mine was a 1990 LE with the Mitsu V6, bench seat, column shifter. And that six made the car somewhat fun to drive. When it was younger it could lay rubber and surprise kids driving Civics.

If you want the pinnacle of front-drive Chrysler luxo-barges try and find a 1990-1992 Chrysler Imperial... it was pretty well received by the press... but for nearly $30,000 in 1990 it was probably overpriced and needed a V8 to compete with the Sedan DeVille.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:17 pm

I don't need to have a living room sofa in my car.

Ahh, I love that living room sofa feel in a car. Big grin
Seriously I do!  Smile
When I am sitting in traffic, I want something that reminds me of home.


I have funny story about those 1990-1992 Imperials.
I was riding in my friends car when one passed us up and he said "Wow, that's a nice looking Chrysler".
I told him that it was a stretched out Plymouth Reliant fully loaded with a bigger engine. He just laughed and couldn't believe that Chrysler is still in business. Me and him are bif Ford fans

To answer your question, YES I do have Corinthian leather! Big grin
Ant I also have the Brazilian Rosewood aplique instrument panel.  Smile

However, I don't have the Chronometer that was certified by the Swiss government.  Big grin
instead I have the digital clock on the trip computer and stereo.

Check out this Chrysler Imperial fan page. They don't even acknowlege those K-car based Imperials.
http://www.imperialclub.com/YearbyYear/1977/SpottersGuide/

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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:41 pm

Larry;
I believe Saab had been making front wheel drive cars even before then.
http://www.vea.qc.ca/vea/marques1/saab.htm
I don't know if this was even the first front wheel drive car, though.

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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:18 pm

Before that our 1996 GMC Jimmy was very unreliable. (I know this isn't about engines, but the Vortec engine isn't powerful enough to tow around the Jimmy at 192 hp. It feels very winded at highway speeds, but thats for another post).

You must be treating your cars like shit or something. I've had 2 Blazers in my life, a '93 and '97, and they were both very reliable. Never a big problem under 130,000 miles. Yet, on the other hand, the Toyota we bought my mom a few years ago started having major problems under 25K, so I stick with better, American cars.

Also, the 4.3L V6 has more than enough power in the Blazer. I have trouble not going over 90MPH on the highways, it wants to go. Hell my parent's Astro could out-run many small cars.  Insane


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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:25 pm

I genuinely do not know when the first front-wheel-drive (FWD) car was built, but the incomparable Cords were FWD in the 30's, some of the most beautiful (even iconic) styling of all time.





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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:16 pm

Hello to all,

The first front wheel drive car ever was the Citroën Traction 1934, designed by Flaminio Bertoni. http://www.flaminiobertoni.it/immagini/design/auto/ta1.jpg

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Front Wheel Drive!

Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:20 pm

IF YOU READ MY POST, YOU GUYS, you would have seen that Chrysler was the first DOMESTIC car maker to offer front wheel drive, before Ford and GM. I know other manufactiurers sold FWD cars in the US before Chrysler.

DUH
 
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Front Wheel Drive!

Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:23 pm

Add to that the first front drive mass market affoerdable and practical FWD car as the olds Toronado and Eldorado it was offered more as a gimick and an excuse to burn up tires....
 
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Desert Jets And Superfly

Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:41 pm

"My dad had a 1987 Turbo New Yorker as a demo for a few months when he worked at a Chrysler-Plymouth-Volvo dealer. The car was used. But it was beige, with landau top, wire wheels, digital dash, and button-tufted seats. I am glad that is no longer the standard of what luxury is. I don't need to have a living room sofa in my car."

After driving to Florida in a 2000 BMW 540, I am very glad to have my "living room on wheels". I could live without the overly stiff and flat seats, the tire noise and the way too firm ride (even for a sport sedan). Today's luxury cars have all the excitement of a NY taxi cab. I also would rather be mistaken for a "pimp" than a "Tempo" any day. My Chrysler may not handle like a "Corvette", but then again, I don't drive it like on either (the Turbo and "uprated suspension" make it very capable however). The "Kimberly Velour" interior (an extra cost option instead of the corinthian hide) and test tube wood add a bit of character to a fairly well thoguh thought interior

Superfly,

I made a mistake as far as not clarifying the FWD thing, but my "screaming" in my last posts should clear things up (between you and I, Chrysler makes the best domestic FWD cars, after all, GM's answer to the Omnirzon were the wretched X cars and Ford's dull Escort.)

I make a career of of boasting about the E series FWD Chryslers and here is a page I wrote that was posted on Allpar:

http://www.allpar.com/model/e.html

Ypu would get a kick out of it...

 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 4:01 pm

747-451;
When you've settled down you can read about the Cadillac Eldorado - A General Motors marque, which I'm sure you already know.
http://www.home2.swipnet.se/~w-26312/75cad/75cad.htm

Matter of fact, wasn't the Cord which Sccutler mentioned an American car? Clearly, these two FWD examples were manufactured long before the Chrysler offerings.

AW
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:06 pm

747-451:
That was your article?!?!?!?!  Wow!  Wow!

I read that article almost a year ago!  Wow!

You really know your stuff when it comes to cars.  Smokin cool



The compact luxury car market was very short lived.
As a Ford/Mercury/Lincoln enthusiest, I will say that Chrysler made better FWD compacts and mini-luxury cars.
I really like those 1990-1992 LeBaron Landau sedans.
The 1985 LTD LX was a small powerful car with a 302 V8 Cobra engine but it was more of a performance car and not a luxury car.
The Pontiac Bonneville (1990-1996?) were a good second but again, performance was more the focus of this car than luxury. The 1989-91 Cadillac Sevilles were great small luxury cars but I just wished Cadillac stayed out of this market and left it to Buick and Oldsmobile.

Lincoln should have never made a Tempo based Continental nor should they have made a Taurus based one either.

That leaves the Chrysler Landau versions of the NewYorker and LeBaron as the greatest mini-luxury boxes.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:44 pm

1. The Cords were American automobiles, and Cord was manufactuing Front Wheel Drive cars at least by 1929, perhaps earlier (too tired to dig right now). This preceded the remarkable Traction Avant, iconic in its own right.

2. The big GM FWDs (original sized Eldo and Toro) were/are indeed tire-eaters.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:31 pm

747-451, Daimler controls Daimler-Chrysler (See the nationality of the Chrysler-boss...), you can be happy that the company after all is called DaimlerChrysler and not Daimler Benz - after all, we don't ask GM to call themselves Opel, right ?  Big grin
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:21 pm

'Fly and 747-451... I guess you're the reason why they still make the Town Car and the LeSabre. Those are probably the best living room sets on wheels right now.

747-451: I am a semi-proud ex-owner of a Chrysler E-body. We owned a 1984 Dodge 600ES with the 2.2EFI. But otherwise it was a stripper model for a 600ES. No power accessories (except for the mirrors), no digital dash, no talking car (thank god). I can wholly agree that in the early to mid-80s the K and E bodies were above and beyond what Detroit was making and close to the Accords and Camrys of that era. Those weren't exactly stunning looking cars. But by 1987 or so, especially with the 2nd gen Camry and to a lesser extent the Taurus/Sable the E bodies were really outclassed. The Lancer/LeBaron GTS were probably better competitors. The V6 should have been used in the other cars before 1990. The Dynasty/New Yorker could have been a bit more of an exciting car. A slightly less boxy shape would have been good. They were plenty big on the inside and the sixes were pretty strong. Same thing for the Acclaim/Spirit/LeBaron... probably the best of the K-derivatives.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:37 pm

Desertjets:

Basically the trannys and telematics will all be sourced from Munich

I think you mean Stuttgart, unless Chrysler has some dealings with BMW that we don't know about  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:53 pm

Munich, Stuttgart.... at least they are both in southern Germany, so I wasn't TOO far off.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:11 am

My LeBaron talks.
I think that's kind of cool. I just hate when it cuts in to a song I am listening to just to tell me "Please check your fuel level".

It can get annoying.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:25 am

That article is quite dated.. this car is already scheduled to be produced as a 2004 model "Crossfire".. You can see it on: www.chrysler.com

















This looks more inspired by the BMW MZ3 than the prototype "300N" which looks more like the current 'vette than anything.


 
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AWspicious....Racko....Scuttler...

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:29 am

Aw, Scutter...

Yes the Cord, Eldorado, Toronado were the first FWD's, however the distinction they hold is that they were specialty or luxury cars....The Chryslers, on the opther hand, were mass market, affordable "cheapies" for the rest of us plebians...  Smile..and by 1989 Chrylser was a completly FWD manufacturer. I'll take the zillion mudnane K cars anyday oner the Toro and Eldo. My cousin in Connecticut, Thea, had a1980 Toro Dielsel and it was the complete pits. Blown heads, holed pistons we all know about GM's diesels and when it ddi run it burned up tires faster than oil...LOL

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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:43 am

ROFLMAO!!! OK...Chryslers of the '80s, NICE CARS??? I cleaned way too many of those to agree. I've never seen a bunch of vehicles with worse horrid build quality. There was an '81 Imperial I washed every week for an old guy who used to be an aircraft carrier captain...I took care of it for him since new. Despite weekly washings and frequent waxings, the paint went bad after only four years, and the fake rabbit fur carpeting forward of the front seats turned GREEN. That, and he had to replace just about every piece of interior trim around the windsheild twice because it came unglued and started fraying. Then, there was the '84 LeBaron convertible, white with that awful Town & Country leather interior. The brown carpets on that one turned green, too, and the leather was faded all along the tops of the seats. That car was only five or six years old when I cleaned it for the first time.

Having driven a few examples of the early K car and later LeBaron convertibles, I can safely say I have never been in anything that squeaked and rattled as much, or flexed as much during cornering or going over uneven pavement. When Chrysler took the roof off those cars, just about all the stiffness was eliminated from the chassis.

Talking cars, whether the Nissan Maxima or Chrysler products, always annoyed the crap out of me. Chrysler's synthesised male voice was much worse than Nissan's female, IMHO. Glad that's gone, too.

I'm really glad Chrysler went through its reorganisation and is producing quality vehicles now. The 300M and Viper are really killer. I hope they continue the current trend; from those concept car pics, it looks like they will. BTW, does anyone know how much say Diamler Benz has in the current model line-up? Big grin Looks like they have quite a bit of say.
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:27 am

The LeBaron and Dodge 400 were the first American made convertibles after the Eldo ragtop was dropped in 76. And all of the early convertibles, where they just chopped the top off of a coupe and welded in some bracing, flexed like wet noodles. And also the quality of domestic and import cars, as well as content, has come a long long way since then. I cannot explain why the admiral's carpet in his Imperial turned green.

Milemaster: The Crossfire is a completely different vehicle than the new LX-platform cars. The Crossfire is essentially a rebodied SLK. The body will be built by Karmann in fact. The engine is the standard Merc 3.2 V6, as is the tranny, chassis, suspension and so on....
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Superfly, Desertjets

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:31 am

Supa;

I wrote that aritcle a long time ago, and after 178000miles on a 600 and happy miles continuing with the NYer, I felt that these "fine" products should be recorded in "history as well". Put it this way, I know my Chryslers, since my family has always been a Chrysler family (1970 Hemi Cuda (Moulin Rouge, slap stick, rear shade ), 1973 Coronet, 1975 Cordoba, 1978 Aspen Custom, 1981 Gran Fury, 1984 600, 1987 NYer).

Desertjets:

Though the K/E disgns were eclisped by more modern designs, the simplicity and ruggedness give them a real world advantage. The boxy styling on alot of the Chrysler cars at the time was actually a counter point for the people who still preffer trational styling (recall the Lesabre, Cierra, Century all top sellers at the time). My only compalins were the "ox cart" beam axle (independent suspension would have been better; since even my "crappy Tempo" has that)and lack of "decent 6cyl/autotransmission" options. (The Mitus V6's were just adequate and the ultradrive was so bad, the 4 cyl with the auto was the better choice.)

My neighbor just bought a brand new Lexus ES350 (or what ever the mid size one is) and he is sooo pissed; everyone keeps complementing his new "Camry". I preffer my luxury cars to look like ones, maybe not as ornate as my New Yorker, but certainly not as bland and tasteless as many of the new ones look (eg the Avalon, LS450, I45( actually the only distinct luxury cars are the Caddies, Towncar and the new 740IL)....However, if the interior doesn't look like a Las Vegas Whorehouse, how luxurious can it be!!!  Big grin
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:00 am

I wonder about the Imperial you write about since in WI they put salt on everything, by the TON. When I used to travel ti Madison on business, I saw everything had rust on them and poor paint too like Dodge, Chevy, BMW, Toyota etc. Talk about harsh environments...

The early Kvertibles were done by an outside contractor. As far as the interiors and styling, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Talking cars were "cool" because it was unique.

Chrysler lost their vision after Lee left and I think Daimler has no clue to the American market or culture.

The 300M is cool but the Intrepid ES is cheaper. The Viper is nice but try getting one...
 
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:04 am

Hey I like that Las Vegas Whorehouse look! Big grin





























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Superfly!

Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:21 am

Now those are interirors!!!!

(BTW, who's the blonde, She's hot...that's my idea of seat covers!!!!  Love )

(PS those have to be shots from a 1975 Imperial or 1976 New Yorker--those were really over the top!)
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:28 am

747-451:
I got it from that Imperial fan club website.

http://www.imperialclub.com/YearbyYear/1977/SpottersGuide/

Iteresting, an Imperial 'spotters' website.  Smile
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:32 am

BTW, did you get an image on the very last one?
Sometimes it comes up as a box with red X.

Right click on the box, cut & paste URL in taskbar and hit enter.
Then hit 'back' key and you should get an image.






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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:07 am

The crossfire's radio and stuff has some MB resemblance.

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Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:18 am

That Imperial is pretty bad. And by bad I mean good, and by good I mean bad. Too bad you don't see more red leather these days.

Now looking at the grille shot of the Crossfire, is it just me or does it look uncanningly like the Mirada, 400/600 with the quad lamps, horizontal slat grille, and that really pronounced beak? Maybe people are too ashamed to point that out, but that was about the only thing that I ever thought was good looking about my 600.
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Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:12 pm

DesertJets wrote:

"I think the Big-3 are all realizing that they really lost something when they dropped their rear-drive platforms. There is a lot of flexibility to do stuff when the engine points north-to-south. There were supposed to be AWD and RWD vehicles on the original LH platform."

Just a technical note, the LH cars engines did run north to south. The current concorde, 300M, and intrepid also run north/south. Take a lookie underneath the hoodie.

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Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:16 pm

Oops, sorry desert jets, I guess that's what you were trying to say. I'm retarded  Sad
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:16 pm

If I may sum up the Crossfire in one word..... UGLY and thats understating the fact.

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Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:24 am

That Crossfire reminds me of the Plymouth Barracuda.
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RE: Chrysler Finally Gets Its Act Together

Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:32 am

I don't see where you see the Cuda in the Crossfire Superfly.

Here are some pics of the Mirada and a nicely refurbished 600 Convertible.



Bear in mind I just see a resemblance to the front clip, not much else.
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Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:57 pm

I was getting my 1960s era Mopar products mixed up.
I was thinking of the 1966 Dodge Charger rear-end.
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Fri Nov 01, 2002 12:23 am

747-451, that was in Coronado, CA, where I spent my formative years. I started washing/detailing cars when I was 11, and still get requests from former customers when I visit my folks. The Imperial was one of the first regulars I had. It DID sit out in the guy's driveway, but beyond that, should have held up better. My mother's 1978 Volvo 245DL station wagon sat out most of its life - under telephone wires behind our house, no less, so it had its fair share of bird crap showers. Yet, its beige paint had an amazing shine, even after my sister, who does not take care of cars at all, had been driving it for a few years.

You all mention the bullet-hole leather seats in Chryslers as being really great. The leather seemed of good quality, but there was really hardly any of it on the seats - just the cushions. The rest of the seats were covered with that low-grade vinyl Chrysler loved to use in the '80s. And, they were none too comfortable, I might add - no support for the back and butt. Again, I'm glad all that's changed.  Big grin

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